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M.L.Vasanthakumari

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shankarank
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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by shankarank » 14 Jul 2017, 20:33

Saw this come up hot out of the oven:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5JlLNHDVz8

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by shankarank » 15 Jul 2017, 10:19

I listened to this in entirety. While I enjoyed the rAgam, I don't think MLV's music evolved enough to handle a 1/4th and a kriti like this. Her intonations simply don't measure up to express the grandeur of the kriti - where most of the musical investment is in the laya and to me gamaka is more laya than Sruti!

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by pattamaa » 15 Jul 2017, 14:25

varshaji - thanks a bunch for rare narayani alapana and keerthana !! great treat indeed.


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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 19 Aug 2017, 00:11

I should have come to this thread a very long time ago (it's almost an injustice that only after hundreds of posts I'm talking about this) -- I am a die hard fan of MLV Amma's music. I got introduced to her singing from a collection of old cassettes (I think the famous Baro Krishnaiya was one of the very first recordings I heard) and was (and still is) totally blown away by her vidwat, her unrestrained imagination and her melodious voice. Those cassettes have since then (fortunately) been converted. There was a time in high school where I was listening only to MLV for sometime. My violin guru is also a huge rasika of MLV and taught me quite a few krithis in her style.

Her Thiruppavai and Thiruvempavai renditions are center piece on our family's list during Margazhi.

One of my special memories is when a family acquaintance asked for some collections of MLV. I later came to know that she had played them for a friend who was in the last stages of cancer and who very badly wanted to hear MLV amma's music in her final few days (it was almost her last wish) and that the music had been soothing balm to her.

One of the most amazing things I had read about was from V Sriram's Carnatic Summer about how her mother (Madras Lalithangi) and MLV painstakingly notated and learnt over a thousand padas of Purandaradasa and other dasar padas (MLV was 13 then). I wonder if any old copies of that book might be still around (it's the smartphone era, scanning might save an old treasure).

MLV was a complete musician. What stands out in all the recordings I have is the verve and racy energy in her singing -- there are songs that are taken at a tempo that I can only describe as "formidable" -- that adjective. Her kalpanaswaras were spectacular and the kind of patterns and endings that she found in them could have been patented as uniquely hers.

Here's a spectacular Shubha Panthuvarali Ragam and Tanam : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwF-qemHPlo (This raga was an MLV speciality)
And another one in Mohanam : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPzF8lvE2U&t=1819s -- Watch for the Shruti bhedam to Hindolam at around 15:20

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 19 Aug 2017, 00:40

And speaking of formidable, listen to this. It's what happens when you tear through the raga and krithi leaving scorched earth in your wake.

https://soundcloud.com/user461654480/an ... -sivan-mlv

I've yet to hear another rendition of Ananda naTam AduvAr thillai like this one -- like the fury of the Siva tandava itself, it hits you like a train.

(And yes, it's a step sharp on the pitch, but that's typical on private cassettes).

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by shankarank » 19 Aug 2017, 07:41

Srinath, she is to GNB what somebody like Vijay Siva is to DKJ - even if style is imbibed the nAdam emission is not quite there! Speed is not the issue or even a solution to this. This is true of her attempts at traditional heavy weight compositions.

She shines on the lighter a bit slower side of the music!

Again in judging this - I don't bring in much of knowledge of music to bear! In this entire city of Dallas with many learned music people, only two of us appreciate Dr BMK - the other one actually sings like him - the rest of them don't even consider him, unless they are from Andhra and have some connection to him.

So I have not that much consideration for knowledge of methods of music, if you pardon me.

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by varsha » 19 Aug 2017, 08:46

Here's a spectacular Shubha Panthuvarali Ragam and Tanam : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwF-qemHPlo (This raga was an MLV speciality)
and spectacular pallavi ....
https://archive.org/details/MlvRtpShubhapantuvarali
same track . complete .

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by melam72 » 19 Aug 2017, 10:49

SrinathK wrote:
19 Aug 2017, 00:11
I wonder if any old copies of that book might be still around (it's the smartphone era, scanning might save an old treasure).
Here you go:

http://www.ibiblio.org/guruguha/MusicRe ... A-0019.pdf

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 19 Aug 2017, 11:08

melam72 wrote:
19 Aug 2017, 10:49
SrinathK wrote:
19 Aug 2017, 00:11
I wonder if any old copies of that book might be still around (it's the smartphone era, scanning might save an old treasure).
Here you go:

http://www.ibiblio.org/guruguha/MusicRe ... A-0019.pdf
Thank you very much!

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 19 Aug 2017, 20:35

And here's one of my favourites : https://soundcloud.com/user461654480/ba ... shitar-mlv

I read somewhere on this forum that Veena Dhanammal taught this song only to MLV's mother, Madras Lalithangi (perhaps it was RaviSri who mentioned it).

The Bhairavi alapana is a tour-de-force in this recording (this was the first elaborate alapana of Bhairavi I had heard at the time I was just about capable of understanding alapanas and I was stunned). The swaras are riveting.

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 23 Aug 2017, 17:08

Here's an old recording of endha vEdugO O rAgavA in saraswati manOhari from a film (1948). MLV must have been barely 20 when this recording was done, and it was for a film, but already all the signs of her energetic style are all in place :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM3ouTVDwt0

The early MLV had an effortless range in the upper octave. It was only in her later years when recalcitrant health and tragic circumstances got in the way that it got weaker (though never so much that it compromised the melodiousness of her voice - she found a way around it by using a fair amount of falsetto in her few years).

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 25 Aug 2017, 23:00

And another personal favourite : https://soundcloud.com/user461654480/un ... esigar-mlv

This raga is wickedly difficult - having R1 G2 M2 D1 and N2 with no panchamam, it's swaras are the most inconvenient and oddly spaced combination there is of any scale out there. If it were mapped to a C scale it would be all sharps or flats. But MLV handles it with no problems.

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by Govindaswamy » 26 Aug 2017, 09:07

This kriti starts as ఎంత వేడుకొందు రాఘవ/enta vEDukondu rAghava/ऎन्त वेडुकॊन्दु राघव/எந்த வேடு3கொந்து3 ராக4வ/ ಎಂತ ವೇಡುಕೊಂದು ರಾಘವ/എന്ത വേഡുകൊന്ദു രാഘവ
Courtesy Mr.V.Govindan

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 26 Aug 2017, 11:06

Govindaswamy wrote:
26 Aug 2017, 09:07
This kriti starts as ఎంత వేడుకొందు రాఘవ/enta vEDukondu rAghava/ऎन्त वेडुकॊन्दु राघव/எந்த வேடு3கொந்து3 ராக4வ/ ಎಂತ ವೇಡುಕೊಂದು ರಾಘವ/എന്ത വേഡുകൊന്ദു രാഘവ
Courtesy Mr.V.Govindan
Ok. It's enta vEDukondu rAghava

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 07 Sep 2017, 00:18

Here's a vintage concert from 1960 (Song list copied from the link) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdDefl9E7AU&t=6112s

Venue: Perambur Sangeetha Sabha
Year: 1960

Accompanists: Unknown

01 EraNapai Todi Varna Adi Patnam Subramania Iyer
02 EkadantamBhajeham Bilahari Chapu Muttuswami Dikshitar
03 Mamava Sada kanada Rupaka Swati Thirunal
04 Lalisidalu Magana Yashode Arabhi Adi Purandaradasa
05 Begada Alapana
06 Neevera Begada Misra chapu Tyagaraja
07 Yagnadhulu Jeyamanohari Adi Tyagaraja
08 Kambodhi alapana
09 EvariMata Kambhoji Adi Tyagaraja
10 Kanda Vandarul Bhimpalas Tala PapanasamSivan -- The song list says Bhimplas, but note the D1 (these old variations are extinct species today)
11 Kannara kande achutana kanchi punya varALi Adi Purandaradasa
12 Todi alapana
13 Tana
14 Pallavi (sri rAma jaya rAma jaya rAma -- sItA rAma) tani
15 Paarkadal Ragamalike
16 bArO KrishNayyA MAnd Adhi KanakadAsa
17 Idhu Sakasamulu Saindhavi Adi SwathiThirunal
18 Mangalam

This is one of those rare recordings of MLV at her absolute peak -- not many recordings like this exist. It's a revelation for me personally, since virtually all other recordings I have are quite a bit after this period. The quality of this particular recording is also quite good.

The highlights are the alapanas of Todi and Kambhoji. MLV's alapana is as remarkable as her manodharma is effortless. Her voice is in impeccable form here and dispatches even the toughest phrases with aplomb - it's equally at ease in any sthayi with a huge range, tremendous brighas and climbs all the way up to the N2 above the upper Sa with no problems.

I'll update this after I'm done listening to the whole concert...

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by rshankar » 07 Sep 2017, 01:04

ARI-esque - same rAgam for the varNam and the RTP.

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by varsha » 07 Sep 2017, 08:08

This is one of those rare recordings of MLV at her absolute peak
INDEED.A real gem.
Khamboji alapana has lightening , thunder , rainfall .. And after all that, sunshine peeping through.

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 07 Sep 2017, 21:57

Speaking of lightning, the shruti bhedam from Thodi to Mohanam (via Kalyani by shifting up to R1) occurs in that alapana of Thodi -- it happens so fast and so naturally (at 2:02:19 to 2:02:35 in the video) that it seems like child's play.

Here's a documentary on MLV courtesy of DD (it has clippings from her last concert (bArO krishNaiya and mangaLam) and some vintage photos. There's even a demonstration of a shruti bhedam in kharaharapriya to kalyAni, along with footage from some other DD programs, and interviews from family, students and others)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJpZE3hjRsw&t=615s

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by rajeshnat » 08 Sep 2017, 12:38

She is a tigress in that ragamaliga parkadal alaimelE.

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by RSR » 08 Sep 2017, 12:44

To all the people in small towns of Tamilnadu, MLV 's rendering of the 30 Thiruppaavai songs ,is , a treasure to be cherished for ever, though they may not know much of the intricate details of Carnatic music. Luckily, all the 30 songs are now available in the following link.
https://archive.org/details/Thiruppavai ... MLV_201612
As a lay-rasika, I have heard all the songs for so many years but am able to identify only about a dozen ragams. May I request SrintahK and other MLV rasikas to mention the raga of each song? It will be a good primer for all students to identify the ragam from well-known and sweetly rendered short-duration songs.
( Not that , I do not like MLV's classical songs like 'Apadhooru', 'Sangeetha Gnanamu' and other famous records) Kindly help in creating a site for MLV's Thiruppaavai records along with tamil lyrics. as bonus. Arasi madam will approve, I hope

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 08 Sep 2017, 13:33

@RSR, here you go.

1 01-Margazhi Thingal - 02:53 - nATa
2 02-Vaiyathu Vazhveergal - 02:54 - gauLa
3 03-Ongi Ulagalantha - 02:35 - Arabhi
4 04-Azhimazhai Kanna - 03:00 - varALi
5 05-Maayanai Mannu - 02:48 - shrI
6 06-Pullum Silambina Kaan - 02:53 - shankarAbharaNam
7 07-Keesu Keesendruengum - 02:51 - bhairavi
8 08-Kizhvaanam Vellendru - 02:49 - dhanyAsi
9 09-Thoomanimadathu - 02:46 - hamir kalyANi
10 10-Notru Chuvarkam - 02:58 - thODi
11 11-Katrukaravai Kanangal - 03:02 - husEni
12 12-Kanaithilang Katrerumai - 02:56 - kedAragauLa
13 13-Pullinvaai Keendanai - 02:45 - aTHANA
14 14-Ungal Puzhakkadai - 02:51 - Ananda bhairavi
15 15-Elle Elang Kiliye - 02:53 - begaDA
16 16-Nayakannai Nindra - 02:50 - mOhanam
17 17-Ambarame Thaneere - 02:54 - kalyANi
18 18-Unthu Mathakalitran - 02:50 - sAvEri
19 19-Kuthu Vilakkeriya - 02:42 - sahAnA
20 20-Muppathu Moovar Amararku - 02:48 - senchuruTTi
21 21-Yetra Kalangal - 02:56 - nAdanAmakriyA
22 22-Anganma Gnalathu - 02:57 - yamunA kalyANi
23 23-Marailamali Muzhanjil - 02:51 - bilahari
24 24-Andrivvulagam Alanthai - 02:50 - sindhubhairavi
25 25-Oruthimaganai Piranthu - 02:58 - behAg
26 26-Maale Manivanna - 02:47 - kuntalavarALi
27 27-Koodarai Vellum Seer - 03:03 - pUrvikalyANi
28 28-Karavaigal Pin Sendru - 02:49 - kambhOji
29 29-Sitransiru Kaalai - 03:00 - madhyamAvati
30 30-Vanga Kadal Kadaintha - 03:01 - suruTTi

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by SrinathK » 08 Sep 2017, 19:25

And also for thiruvempavai :

1. pOtri yen & Adiyum antamum - bauLi
2. aruNan indiran & pAsam paranjyoti - kEdAram
3. koovina poonguyil & muttana veNNa - bilhari
4. innisai veeNaiyar & oNNithilanagaiyAi - dEvagAndhAri
5. boodangal thOrum & mAlariyA nAn - yadukula kAmbhOji
6. pappara veeTirundu & mAnE nI - khamAs
7. adu pazhacchuvai & annE ivaiyum - reetigauLa
8. muntiya mudal & kozhi chilamba - dhanyAsi
9. viNNaga thEvarum & munnai pazham porutkkum - nATakurinji
10. bhuvaniyil poi & pAtAlam Ezhinum - shuddha sAvEri
11. moyyAr tadam poigai - pUrvikalyANi
12. Artha piravi - shankarAbharaNam
13. painguvaLai - sAvEri
14. kAdAr kuzhaiyADa - karnATaka dEvagAndhAri
15. OrorukkAl - husEni
16. munnikkaDalai - amrtavarshiNi
17. shenkaN avanpAl - vasantabhairavi
18. aNNamalaiyAn - sAmA
19. unkaiyil piLLai - hindOlam
20. poTTriyAruLuganin - maNirangu

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Re: M.L.Vasanthakumari

Post by kvchellappa » 08 Sep 2017, 19:51

Has MLV sung thiruvempavai all songs?

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