R. Vedavalli
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Not sure what you mean by special, hari. I don't think I am too qualified to comment on the technical aspects of the pallavi structure, but I can say that the pallavi ends in a makuTam [3+2, 3+2, 3+2 = 5, 5, 5] which gives it an attractive feel. Also, singing tisram in this is decidedly non-trivial. Let alone singing it, keeping tALa itself is difficult - I have tried it several times with absolutely catastrophic results Vedavalli Amma, Smt. Charulata Ramanujam and Sri Neyveli Narayanan pulled it off with relative nonchalance. Perhaps our vidvAns Sri Balaji and Erode Sri Nagaraj could comment...s_hari wrote:Prasaht / vijay - can you please help me on what's special on this pallavi or its structure?
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Prashant, Vijay - thanks for pallavi structure.. a nice one indeed.. I found a recording and listening it... She has done trikalam! I tried keeping talam and failed!! Did she sing tishram also?
Sample piece at http://www.sendspace.com/file/tj5upu
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Sample piece at http://www.sendspace.com/file/tj5upu
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The concert is available at http://www.sangeethamshare.org/sridhara ... avalli-MA/
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I have benefited greatly by a couple of lecdems that I attended by R.Vedavalli. In one, she cleared once and for all, the question as to why the Sri-ragam rishabham is how it is and why the Madhyamavati ri is how it is and all such matters. But one more that I attended, on neraval, makes me agree with bala747. She has some strong opinions, for sure!
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Sorry for the late reply, but since the character of Madhyamavati and Sri-ragam have presumably not changed in the interim, perhaps it is still worth saying. What Vedavalli said was that gamakams often reflect a continuum of what is there and what is not there in the raga. This is my extrapolated take on the subject, but basically, in Madhyamavati, the gandharam is not present, so the ri is shaken softly but insistently to reflect that. Sri-ragam on the other hand has the gandharam and there is no need in a sense to have the rishabham touch it at all. Hence the flat ri, which is so striking and characteristic of Sri. In contrast, the softly oscillating ri is equally characteristic of Madhyamavati and in fact is one of those swarams on which one can dwell at length without it palling, as in the Dharmasamvardhani opening sequence. Same goes for Suddha Saveri-Suddha Bangala.
In other contrast, this same theory applies to why the Sankarabharanam gandharam is flat whereas the Kalyani gandharam is usually sung 'seeking' the absent suddha madhyamam. Ditto for the flat dha in Kambhoji contrasted with the shaken (but not stirred) dha in Sankarabharanam. Etc. Etc.
Narayan
In other contrast, this same theory applies to why the Sankarabharanam gandharam is flat whereas the Kalyani gandharam is usually sung 'seeking' the absent suddha madhyamam. Ditto for the flat dha in Kambhoji contrasted with the shaken (but not stirred) dha in Sankarabharanam. Etc. Etc.
Narayan
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> Ditto for the flat dha in Kambhoji contrasted with the shaken (but not stirred) dha in Sankarabharana
Perhaps this contrast applies more to harikambhoji rather than sankarabharanam? I mean since in the former d2-n2 are right next to each other (and n2 can take on gamaka) but in Sankarabharanm d2-n3 allows for space for d2 to "move about".
btw, did Smt. Vedavalli really use softly w.r.t oscillations of ri in madyamavathi? I would have thought it is deeper (i.e. to classify as soft) than that - as it has a lot of room to move about (upto ma). I thought r1, ma and ni all can take deep gamakas in madhyamavati
Arun
Perhaps this contrast applies more to harikambhoji rather than sankarabharanam? I mean since in the former d2-n2 are right next to each other (and n2 can take on gamaka) but in Sankarabharanm d2-n3 allows for space for d2 to "move about".
btw, did Smt. Vedavalli really use softly w.r.t oscillations of ri in madyamavathi? I would have thought it is deeper (i.e. to classify as soft) than that - as it has a lot of room to move about (upto ma). I thought r1, ma and ni all can take deep gamakas in madhyamavati
Arun
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Here is the link for the lec dem on varnams
http://sangeethapriya.org/Downloads/lec ... i-Varnams/
http://sangeethapriya.org/Downloads/lec ... i-Varnams/
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Excellent lec-dem on varnams by Smt. Vedavalli. I did not know that students are asked to train by singing varnams by shifting the eduppu from samam to 1/2 eduppu and 3/4 eduppu etc. That is a great idea to learn how to change the laya/stress in small ways and keeping it in that "shifted" pattern over multiple avarthanams of the varnam. I would imagine it is hard to do that since one has to consciously break away from the way one learnt it by rote on samam and got used to that comfort zone.
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This also leads me to think that the way the CM syllabus is set up, it is all to prepare the student for a concert career with full manodharma etc. But there are a lot of people who want to learn to sing pre-composed songs very well in a classical manner. Acknowledging that one can not simply launch into those krithis and they need a lot of training to sing and sing well, I am curious if there is an alternate path for such aspirants.
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Arun, Right you are. Deep is fine. The word soft was more a preference of mine, and would like to retract! The most interesting one here is Darbar, where the ga is really deep and in fact almost never lingers on the note itself, but keeps moving around neighbouring notes. But that's another topic, another day?arunk wrote:>
btw, did Smt. Vedavalli really use softly w.r.t oscillations of ri in madyamavathi? I would have thought it is deeper (i.e. to classify as soft) than that - as it has a lot of room to move about (upto ma). I thought r1, ma and ni all can take deep gamakas in madhyamavati
Arun
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Nice writeup of the megarAgamAlika lecdem
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2009/06/19/stor ... 040300.htm
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2009/06/19/stor ... 040300.htm
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With a quote from our very own Nandagopal!rajeshnat wrote:Nice writeup of the megarAgamAlika lecdem
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2009/06/19/stor ... 040300.htm
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Coolji- I also saw the episode some where in between. Is it scheduled daily evenig ? or on Fridays Only ?
In either case , since I will be in the office, I request u to pl record all these Episodes . U can help all the rasikas at a later date for U/loads.
It was really nice listening to the whole episode.
Seetha Rajan/ Seetha Naryanan( I don't know them )- One of them explained the naming of the 12 Chakras and the logical reason behind the naming followed by the KATAPAYADI scheme also.
Starting from INDU chakram- Indu means Moon in sanskrit and there is only one Moon( compared to 12 Suns)....hence the first chakram is named Indu. Second is named Nethra Chakram as we have two eyes. Third Chakram is named Agni and all the reamaining names of the Chakrams were logically explained. L&T(Chennai) had brought out a calender-depicting S Rajam's painiting having all these details.
Vijaya Shiva chipped in to explain why the Mela Raga Malika starts with "Sri " ragam.
As it's singing ragas, will produce some apaswarams Un intentionally, more so it's tough to sing these Mela ragams............and the structure of the raga malika is such that the raga keeps changing quite fast after two lines( I suppose) and apaswarams are bound to occur. So to ward off all these apaswarams " sri" raga is introduced. The Raga name itself signifies " Sri " and so on & so forth.
Smt R Vedavalli recited a Sanskrit slokam before concluding the episode.
It's really a pity that office goers have to miss these episodes.
Anway our saviour is COOLJI. I'm sure COOLJI will help.
In either case , since I will be in the office, I request u to pl record all these Episodes . U can help all the rasikas at a later date for U/loads.
It was really nice listening to the whole episode.
Seetha Rajan/ Seetha Naryanan( I don't know them )- One of them explained the naming of the 12 Chakras and the logical reason behind the naming followed by the KATAPAYADI scheme also.
Starting from INDU chakram- Indu means Moon in sanskrit and there is only one Moon( compared to 12 Suns)....hence the first chakram is named Indu. Second is named Nethra Chakram as we have two eyes. Third Chakram is named Agni and all the reamaining names of the Chakrams were logically explained. L&T(Chennai) had brought out a calender-depicting S Rajam's painiting having all these details.
Vijaya Shiva chipped in to explain why the Mela Raga Malika starts with "Sri " ragam.
As it's singing ragas, will produce some apaswarams Un intentionally, more so it's tough to sing these Mela ragams............and the structure of the raga malika is such that the raga keeps changing quite fast after two lines( I suppose) and apaswarams are bound to occur. So to ward off all these apaswarams " sri" raga is introduced. The Raga name itself signifies " Sri " and so on & so forth.
Smt R Vedavalli recited a Sanskrit slokam before concluding the episode.
It's really a pity that office goers have to miss these episodes.
Anway our saviour is COOLJI. I'm sure COOLJI will help.
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Re: R. Vedavalli
Here is the 72 melakartha ragamalika of MahaVaidyanatha Sivan rendered by Smt. Vedavalli.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtg_ntm6oSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HsuHbvw83I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF-O2PFmNxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q34RI-d-zSQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHCCFB35p44
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtg_ntm6oSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HsuHbvw83I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF-O2PFmNxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q34RI-d-zSQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHCCFB35p44
Enjoy!
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Re: R. Vedavalli
Excellent. Thanx Rajeeram avl,
Thanjavooran
Thanjavooran
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Hello,
This has been inactive since many months. Can some one post few more inputs on this great lady's music. Any snippets of her music.
Regards,
Aditya.
This has been inactive since many months. Can some one post few more inputs on this great lady's music. Any snippets of her music.
Regards,
Aditya.
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Re: R. Vedavalli
Some of us are always eagerly awaiting her next concert ... although I cannot claim to make it to anything like all of them
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Mr.Nick H
Some of her songs from my files are linked below;
E'SWARA-05- Smt. vedavalli-Jesnathillah-Thodi-Jun10-part I of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJpisM49 ... re=related
E'SWARA-06- Smt. vedavalli-Jesnathillah-Thodi-Jun10-part II of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVD-Ghdk ... re=related
'E'SWARA-07- Smt. vedavalli-Jesnathillah-Thodi-Jun10-part III-of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vpjCEpyf7Q
'E'SWARA-08- Smt. vedavalli-Jesnathillah-Thodi-Jun10-part IV of 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JXIRRJa ... re=related
'E'SWARA-02- Smt. vedavalli-Endrikku-Muhari-Part I of 2-Jun10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLWeE380 ... re=related
E'SWARA-03-Smt. vedavalli-Endrikku-Muhari-Jun10-part II-of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snFNfRtR ... re=related
E'SWARA-01- Smt. vedavalli-Haraya namosthey-Jun10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4KpXDWC ... re=related
E'SWARA-04- Smt. vedavalli-Rama Rama Phahi-Devagandhari
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBDbp1l ... re=related
I hope you will like the Muhari and Thodi in that order??
I hope you enjoyed the scholarly rendition of 72 melakartha ragamalika of MahaVaidyanatha Sivan rendered by her at #48
venkatakailasam
Some of her songs from my files are linked below;
E'SWARA-05- Smt. vedavalli-Jesnathillah-Thodi-Jun10-part I of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJpisM49 ... re=related
E'SWARA-06- Smt. vedavalli-Jesnathillah-Thodi-Jun10-part II of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVD-Ghdk ... re=related
'E'SWARA-07- Smt. vedavalli-Jesnathillah-Thodi-Jun10-part III-of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vpjCEpyf7Q
'E'SWARA-08- Smt. vedavalli-Jesnathillah-Thodi-Jun10-part IV of 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JXIRRJa ... re=related
'E'SWARA-02- Smt. vedavalli-Endrikku-Muhari-Part I of 2-Jun10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLWeE380 ... re=related
E'SWARA-03-Smt. vedavalli-Endrikku-Muhari-Jun10-part II-of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snFNfRtR ... re=related
E'SWARA-01- Smt. vedavalli-Haraya namosthey-Jun10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4KpXDWC ... re=related
E'SWARA-04- Smt. vedavalli-Rama Rama Phahi-Devagandhari
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBDbp1l ... re=related
I hope you will like the Muhari and Thodi in that order??
I hope you enjoyed the scholarly rendition of 72 melakartha ragamalika of MahaVaidyanatha Sivan rendered by her at #48
venkatakailasam
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Wow... I generally don't watch/download much on the internet, but, as you've posted that just for me...
<We should have a listening smilie>
And I am enjoying very much.
<We should have a listening smilie>
And I am enjoying very much.
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I used your name since you lamented : "Some of us are always eagerly awaiting her next concert"
venkatakailasam
venkatakailasam
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Vedavalli honoured for lifetime achievement
http://www.hindu.com/2011/02/20/stories ... 450200.htm
“By honouring her we are honouring our culture,” How true it is!!
Let us wish her long life and many such achievements !
venkatakailasam
http://www.hindu.com/2011/02/20/stories ... 450200.htm
“By honouring her we are honouring our culture,” How true it is!!
Let us wish her long life and many such achievements !
venkatakailasam
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In my posting # 48 Link was given to Smt vedavalli's rendition of Maha Vaithi's 72 melakartha ragas.
A confluence of Art and Music depicted by Shri S Rajam -Twelve paintings illustrating Venkatamakhi’s melakartha scheme by classifying the 72 mela ragas into 12 chakras of Music the mind body and soul
is linked below:
http://www.saigan.com/heritage/music/Me ... %20new.pdf
venkatakailasam
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A confluence of Art and Music depicted by Shri S Rajam -Twelve paintings illustrating Venkatamakhi’s melakartha scheme by classifying the 72 mela ragas into 12 chakras of Music the mind body and soul
is linked below:
http://www.saigan.com/heritage/music/Me ... %20new.pdf
venkatakailasam
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Writeup on the erudite Smt RV
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/sere ... 143385.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/sere ... 143385.ece
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Strange... I could not find this in 29th newspaper. Thank you for posting the link.
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Nick, it was in the "Season" supplement -- understandable that you couldn't find it.
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Oh! I will see that again, then. Thanks.
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A Podhigai interview of Vedavalli - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G974YCTQkag
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Right now listening to a Kirvani RTP (abhaya varadE pAhi srI kAmAkshi shiVe) on webradio @ http://www.musicgoal.com. The notes say it is by R Vedavalli. Awesome accompaniments and the voice just flows, might have been in her prime. Pallavi alone has been going on 15+ mins now.
Any details of this concert? If it is not commercial and shareable, ways to get hold of this one? Absolute stunner it should have been.
Any details of this concert? If it is not commercial and shareable, ways to get hold of this one? Absolute stunner it should have been.
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# sankark - quote "The notes say it is R Vedavalli ". Where is the note you are referring in musicgoal.com.? I do not
get the artists name over there. Pl let know.
get the artists name over there. Pl let know.
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Purist - I usually play the stream in Windows Media Player. There you get to see the details.
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Hi All,
Can some post RV Amma's Reetigowla? Preferably one with alapana & KS.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Aditya.
Can some post RV Amma's Reetigowla? Preferably one with alapana & KS.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Aditya.
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Smt R Vedavalli viruttam ragamaligai
I have uploaded a video on youtube
Smt. R Vedavalli Viruttam Ragamaligai-Manjulavu solai- Dec 72
https://youtu.be/oEWuyGqohkw
Nick H, this is Smt Vedavalli at december 1972 !
Smt. R Vedavalli Viruttam Ragamaligai-Manjulavu solai- Dec 72
https://youtu.be/oEWuyGqohkw
Nick H, this is Smt Vedavalli at december 1972 !
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Is this hers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbGhB6iuzpw
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sankark wrote:Is this hers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbGhB6iuzpw
No,definitely not RV. The song is downloaded from SP and uploaded. As seen here, the artist is unknown.
https://www.sangeethapriya.org/tributes ... ithis.html
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Smt R Vedavalli Sundararajam ashraye
https://youtu.be/3JEx9sRohB8
https://youtu.be/3JEx9sRohB8
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Hi everyone !
I have posted recordings of Sangita Kalanidhi Smt R Vedavalli on youtube. Here are links .
Smt R Vedavalli Badalika dIra ritigaulai tyagaraja
https://youtu.be/JCA771Ww_6w
Please Like and comment your opinion
Smt R Vedavalli Sundararajam asraye brindavana saranga
https://youtu.be/3JEx9sRohB8
Please Like and coment your opinions.
Refards
Ratan Abhinav
I have posted recordings of Sangita Kalanidhi Smt R Vedavalli on youtube. Here are links .
Smt R Vedavalli Badalika dIra ritigaulai tyagaraja
https://youtu.be/JCA771Ww_6w
Please Like and comment your opinion
Smt R Vedavalli Sundararajam asraye brindavana saranga
https://youtu.be/3JEx9sRohB8
Please Like and coment your opinions.
Refards
Ratan Abhinav
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Re: R. VedavalliWhat
What can one say about the vidushi, except to immerse one self in the nadasagara she creates.
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PARAMPARA presents “Dr. R. Vedavalli Parampara” 12th -17th Jan, 2017 at Ragasudha Hall.
A series of fifteen concerts given by her students.
A series of fifteen concerts given by her students.