V. V. Sadagopan

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arasi
I have no intention of opening old wounds. But VVS is an unforgettable CM Icon; one who would have become one of the greatest in CM in the 20th century. His disappearance vies with that of the Netaji's which appears to have been solved now. If he were alive after the episode it would be impossible for him to remain incognito because of his enormous talents. Nice to know you got to spend a lot of time with him during your childhood. Do share some of your fond memories through this forum...

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mohan, thank you! That's a lovely rendition.

VVS's voice has that nice mix of GNB's 'ravai' and Musiri's 'softness'. And what saareeram!

I am sure he would have ruled the CM world if he had been around longer. I've heard from my elders that he was as much of a 'superstar' in his heydays as GNB was.

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What a gAmbIryam in the rendition by VV Sadagopan

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Thanks Mohan
it does appear that CDs of some of his concerts exist. Any idea how one can get them?

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I think these are AIR concerts which he gave after he left the concert circuit and went to Delhi to teach at the university.
There is very little music from his short but dazzling career on the concert stage since the tape recorder boom came after that period. Teaching, research, editing the Music Journal and the Tyaga Bharati movement (music for children ) became his life after that.

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arasi
Is the 'Mellowed into a scholar with a vision ' really VVS in later years? My mind is frozen on the debonaire vision of the first piicture! Do you have any later pictures?

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Today I chanced upon a casette of VVSadagopan given by a friend long time back. Of the 5-6 songs, the quality of a couple of songs needs to be improved which I will do today. If rasikas are interested, I will upload the same. I do not remember the songs- they are all ragamalikas probably, Bharathiar's which I have never heard before. Then vIllinai otha is there. These are all 78 rpm records released in 50s- What a majestic music.

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Please do upload!

CRama
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I am uploading six songs of Shri,.VV Sadagopan. Very majestic indeed. But I could not get Aadaram nee than and also Kamalakucha . If anybody have got these songs, kindly upload for me. I will be much thankful.
I find that some songs are already uploaded. But those links do not work now. If you can reupload them I will be very much obliged.
1. Nadamdi thirintha-Kambodi-http://www.sendspace.com/file/nmvime

2. Durbar-http://www.sendspace.com/file/xyfs2v

3. En endru ketpar illayo- http://www.sendspace.com/file/w1ux6r

4. Aanirai meykka- http://www.sendspace.com/file/pvvgfr

5. Enni enni manam punnaguthe- http://www.sendspace.com/file/7vsdi1

6. Villinai otha puruvam- http://www.sendspace.com/file/ueprxb

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Found these links while browsing through vintageaudio54's you tube channel:

Villinai otha puruvam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cyGitXZaNk

Rama bhajanai Seithal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdtwwIMOw1U

Enta Veduko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-vs_uQif4Y

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I think the Enta Veduko rendition is by Musiri Subramania Iyer and not VVS. The nasal, high pitch twang is unmistakably Musiri's patent!

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That U tube version of Entavedu is certainly of VV Sadagopan. Not Musiri.

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Hadn't seen this thread for some time!
Thanks CRama and VK.

pvs,
It IS VVS!

I've mentioned this before, but for those who wonder about the sweet voice accompanying him in villinai otta puruvam vaLaittanai---it is his sister, veteran vocalist Jayalakshmi Santhanam!
And guess what, when the song made a debut in his concerts, it was in an all Bharathi concert at Ettayapuram, and he let an amateur niece of his sing just that one song with him at the end of the concert. She also sang the invocation to an august audience of Bharathi lovers--scholars, writers and musicians. That one moment of glory was enough to last a whole life time ;)
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Thanks, CRama and Arasi!
Just that the timbre of the voice in villinaiyotha (one of my most favourite renditions of any song, ever!) is different from the one in enta veduko. It could be my untrained ear...

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*Wish to know the composer "Rama Bhajanai Seidal".

arasi
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Kavi Kunjara Bharathi (Koteeswara Iyer's grandfather).

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In his later years,VVS grew a beard and with his graying beard, he looked like the poet,Tagore. He also was scholarly like him. Thanks for the songs.

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I am giving link to three of Shri VVS songs.. Both are Mixing done by me.

Enni enni manam punnakuthe...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGGUK70NL9k

Shri VV Sadagopan-Two Songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7dyLWCp ... re=related

1 yean endru ketpar Illayo

2.Aanirai meykka n^eepodhi* arumarundhu aavadhariyaay Pasuram


I was told by Smt arasi that except the pasuram, other two songs are VVS's Own composition..

Yesterday her platinum year has commenced-She had turned 75.

venkatakailasam

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CRama wrote:
But I could not get Aadaram nee than and also Kamalakucha . If anybody have got these songs, kindly upload for me. I will be much thankful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EbDr6gYNY8

Also, Lakshminarayanan Sriram has mixed the song with the text of this article from Hindu http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/03/04/stor ... 170300.htm

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Very well done! His voice which kept me spell-bound for ages is clearly captured.
We are lucky his creative spirits are still alive in his niece for our benefit!

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Thanks a lot VK

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Mon ami,
His bounty has glimmers of it in the niece you are talking about, in other nieces, nephews, his children and grandchildren and great grandchildren too. Mind you, just glimmers.

His creativity is not all apparent when younger people only hear him sing a few songs now, but it was in his thinking, his zeal for making CM a joy for growing children (by his TyAgaBhArathi movement ofJai Joy) and in many more things that he did: as the tunesmith for Ambujam Krishna's first book of songs, in popularizing Bharathi, Kamban and other poets and composers. In being a professor and editor of a Music Journal and so on...

Though the time I spent in his vicinity amounts only to a few years, there's no denying that he inspired me and other children in the family and friends circle to explore the wonderful world of imagination.

He was a man ahead of his times and was an independent thinker. Of course, it all meant that he missed out on his peak years of concerts being recorded for posterity (his career as a performer wasn't that long).

Come 2015, it will be his centenary year...

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VVS is perhaps the first to pay attention to Tamil Isai at a time when Tamil was almost taboo in CM!
He tuned AK/Kamban/Arunagiri/Pasurams/... and the list is long.
It is a pity those were nat taken up by the conservative CM performers!
You have inherited his talents in composing and setting the tune for some very nice Tamil songs.
Let us wait for the new generation of performers to oblige!

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007-V.V. Satagopan-Sri Venkatesha Suprabhatam

http://mfi.re/listen/ph4y8z5yftyy4k0/00 ... bhatam.mp3

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V V Sadagopan Adharam Neethan Endru:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EbDr6gYNY8

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PBala,

Thanks for this. For the first time, I see a text about him in a clip which speaks about him cogently. Having lived away from India, I do not know details about all the work he did .

I do not know of the Karaikkudi kamban vizhA concert. There must have been one. Cha. Ganesan who ran it, admired his singing a kamba rAmayaNam concert for the first time in Rajaji Hall in Chennai. He was there, along with so many luminaries from the literary world. Rajaji was there too, in the hall named after him! Even thinking about that concert gives me goose bumps.

I was lucky to be around him when he spent months pouring over the verses, and then setting the chosen ones to music .

His stay in Russia as a visiting professor was in 1969, because he and Mami spent a week with us in London, on their way back to India.

I thank the person who did a very good job of writing substantially about him.

AdhAram nIdAn enRaRindEn is his own composition, with the sEsha dAsan mudrA (his guru, Namakkal Sesha Iyengar). Not all his songs have the mudrA.

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Thanks PB. Thrilling to hear the Golden voice. Nice to know it is his own composition as arasi vouches.
Pl try to get more of them.
In the graphics there is a picture of himperforming accompanied by LGJ. Who are the others and which year?

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Check this for the photograph + details:-
http://gkamesh.wordpress.com/2010/05/09 ... ic-mystic/

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Thanks PB. Nice private photo!
Is the Tambura person a member of the family arasi?

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Yes, Ranganayaki Sadagopan--his wife, who also went with him to Russia when he was visiting professor, playing the tambura for him in lectures, concerts and classes there.

I don't know how many women have traveled abroad in a traditional nine yards sari as she has. She still is very particular in keeping to her traditional ways. How well she managed her stay in Russia in the sixties! When I asked how she coped, she said, with her usual smile: they will put a hillock of greens and vegetables in front of us, and we were happy with those, the fruits and milk!
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Thx. Bless her..

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Through the Notes Of V V Sadagopan ....

" In a house situated on the nondescript lanes of Jalladiampet, Sowbhagyalakshmi stays opposite a temple built for the late V V Sadapopan — carnatic music singer, composer and music educationist. Singing at the temple daily, she continues to remember him decades after his demise."

Read more at:

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/ ... 494463.ece

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VKailasam,
Thank you for posting this.

Sriram Bharathi was an ideal example of guru bhakthi. He, and after him, his wife Sowbhagyalakshmi have been tireless in carrying out VVS's mission.

His centenary celebrations start with an event in Viravanallur later this month.

In Chennai, the programs are as follows:

8th Feb: Admirers gather at Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan for a seminar on him, a Tyaga Bharathi in action presentation by school children and more.

9th Feb: All day celebration at the Jalladiampet temple and Patashala.His janma nakshatra celebrated at the temple in the morning, and in the afternoon, release of VVS's thirukkuraL kIrthanaigaL and other programs..

10th Feb: A celebration at Raga Sudha Hall from 4pm onwards--family singing, brief recollections of Prof. Venkatasubramanian (his family, friends of VVS for three generations). His article appears in Sruthi magazine's Feb issue.

After a coffee and snacks break...

6pm: A lecture by Prof. N. Ramanathan.
6-30: Concert of VVS's Compositions and a few songs from the many he has tuned:
Sumitra Nitin
Charulatha Ramanujam
Ganapathy Raman

I will add more info as I receive them.
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From the article in Indian Express wrote: Besides the songs, Sadagopan was known for his knowledge of Carnatic music. Along with Sowbhagyalakshmi’s late husband, Srirama Bharathi, who was his disciple, he brought out a book called ‘Spirals and Circles’ that explains the concept of carnatic music and thought processes associated with it.
Arasi,
Have you read the book 'Spirals and Circles' any more insights there - Is that book available, please do let us know?

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Yes, I have read it a long time ago. Let's see if it's available with the CDs. If not, I'll get hold of a copy and it can be put up here in Rasikas.

Sriram Bharathi continued VVS's work with nAlAyira divya prabandam english translations,which were added to Dr.Jagatratchakan's scholarly book which contains tamizh meaning of each verse.

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Arasi - another request, when you figure Rajesh's query - I did not know of Sri Sriram Bharati's connection to your family, but now that I know it, I was wondering if you could also enquire about a CD of kRtis he has translated from tamizh into english (may even be tiruppAvai), sung in carnatic style.

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That's new to me, Ravi. Will do...

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arasi wrote:That's new to me, Ravi. Will do...
Thank you!

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I saw the picture of VVS giving a concert in 1970. But surprising that there is no recording of his live concert available with anybody. Arasi madam, anybody in your family do have his live concert recording.

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CRama,
Where did you see the picture? Would like to see it myself! The later one of his that I have seen is the one we have right here on this thread, with a lovely recollection by the author.

Live concerts of his are rare to come by. Just as photographs, there may be more, but I haven't been able to get them myself. Let's see if the festivities yield any concert of his in CD form.

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Madam, I referred to the link posted by PB in this same thread.
I had heard VVS as a very handsome personality having acted in films. So when I saw that picture like Tagore, I was slightly baffled. In fact, I have not seen any photo of VVS in his younger days.
I have got a portion of a radio concert. I will search for it and if you want, I will post it here.

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Thanks! I need to do a bit more of searching too...

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Prof V V Sadagopan.PEDAGOGUE/VOCALIST
(b. Jany 29, 1915)Prof. Sadagopan was a distinguished musician-teacher who had contributed much to the science and art of music. He held highly practical and enlightened views and made a subtle distinction between Music in Education and Education in Music and supported the view that Lakshya (aesthetic perception) should precede and prevail over Lakshna (intellectual abstraction). Here is a beautiful bunch of similies from him :
' Nada is the calm Sea of Quiet Joy on which the student voyages.
The boat is his voice and it should not be leaky.Sruti is the rudder; Laya, the paddle. Raga Bhava is the sail; and imagination, the wind. 1
He had his musical tutelage with Namakkal Sesha Ayyangar and Ramanuja
Ayyangar. Was Professor, Delhi University (Faculty of Music). He founded the Tyaga Bharati' School. Was on the Experts Committee of the Music Academy, Madras and had contributed much to its deliberations. Viravanallur Vedantam Sadagopan represented Indian Music in the Centenary Celebrations of the Moscow Conservatoire, 1966. He was Founder - Director, Delhi Sangeeta Samaj. Was a regular contributor of articles and was Editor of the journal Indian Music published by it. Spirals and Circles compiled from notes and lectures of Sadagopan was released by the Music Education Mission. The book presents a master plan for teaching, singing and hearing of music. 'Has an evangelic zeal for "Music for Human Relations through integrative Music Education". He believes individual, social and global harmony can be fostered through this. A musician of high calibre.'Indian Music Journal....

This information is contained at page 257 of this link:
http://tera-3.ul.cs.cmu.edu/NASD/d23d38 ... /1308.sgml
One should have the patience to scroll through..

Incidentally, it contains very interesting information of many Artists both known and unknown...

Concert Tour : Europe.
Disc recordings. Sadagopan has composed songs under the signature 'Seshadasan' and has set to tunes many songs of Ambhujam Krishna and others..


more information is here: posted by PB earlier..

V V Sadagopan Adharam Neethan Endru .... Know more about him here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EbDr6gYNY8

Some of his songs are here: for those who have not seen it earlier...

Concert 74-Shri VV Sadagopan: Concert details:
001-Sri Venkatesha Suprabhatam
002-Entaveduko- Sarasvathi Manohari
003-Parthasarathi
004-Rama Bhajanai Seythaal Ragamaligai
005-SRI VENUGOPALA
006-Kanavendum
007-KannanMukham
008-Two Songs
010-Nadamadi
011-Aanirai meykka
012-Villinai otha puruvam....

http://myblogkumara.blogspot.in/2014/01 ... me-ii.html

Seer Sirakkum Meni-VV Sadakopan....

http://mfi.re/listen/eyj92b13kgicmsn/Se ... akopan.mp3

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Thank you VK Sir, for the photo of VVS and the write up. I have already got the songs.

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Thanks again VKailasam!
All the songs you have here are from the records. CRama was asking about live concerts. VVS's career as a star concert rmusician was brief, compared to GNB and others. So, singing on stage ahead of the advent of tape recorders (wire recorders had just come in) meant we had very little. Several recordings which were made are lost to us. Our only hope is his AIR recordings. Even those, have they been taped over? God knows...:(

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I could locate recording of a radio concert (though incomplete). I am giving the links below. Arasi Madam, this is specially for you.

1.Varnam Saveri.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/ijlfzt

2.Parthasarathy-Madhyamavathy
https://www.sendspace.com/file/nk4ze1

3.Kamba ramayanam-Poorvikalyani
https://www.sendspace.com/file/6aqfe9

4.Sankarabharanam alapana (incomplete)
https://www.sendspace.com/file/ejvmmb

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