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Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.

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chskumar4
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Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.

Post by chskumar4 » 16 Feb 2017, 07:23

Hi Rasikas Good Morning !!

Could you kindly give the Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.
like,
shuddha rishabham (K) = kOmal rishab (H)
chatushruti rishabam = tIvra rishaba (H)
shatshruti rishabham & Shuddha gAndhAram are R1 and G1 resp.
sAdhAraNa gAndhAraM = kOmal gAdhAra (H)
antara gAndhAraM = shuddha gAndhAraM
shuddha madhyamaM = shuddha madhyama
prati madhayamaM = teevra madhyama
panchamaM = panchaM
shuddha dhaivataM = kOmal dhaivata
chatushruti dhaivataM = shuddha dhaivata
shatshruti dhaivataM & shuddha nishadam are D3 and N1 resp
kaiSiki nishAdhaM = kOmal nishAdha
kAkali nishAdhaM = shuddha nishAdha

please kindly advise.
Waiting for your kind response.

Thanking you,

With Best Regards,
-SHASHI KUMAR

Lakshman
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Re: Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.

Post by Lakshman » 18 Feb 2017, 06:02

I have edited your chart. Hope it is OK.

vasanthakokilam
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Re: Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.

Post by vasanthakokilam » 24 Feb 2017, 07:54

I see now what HM uses 'Shuddha' for. Considering the notes of Major Scale/Shankarabharanam Mela those are called Suddha. By that model, should not the Rishaba be called Shuddha Rishaba. That will be more consistent.

Assuming that is the case, then HM namig is quite consistent. All the major scale notes are Shuddha and the corresponding buddy swaras are 'kOmal' to refer to flats, except for Madhyama which is Tivra since it is sharper.

chskumar4
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Re: Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.

Post by chskumar4 » 28 Feb 2017, 09:41

Thank you lakshman Ji and Vasanatakokilam Ji,

I am seeking one more information from you, coould you please let me know "VaishNav JanatO....." sung my MS.Subbalakshmi gAru is in which raaga, Actually I have posted this question as seperate thread, but haven't get any replay on this.

hence I thought of asking you.

Please let me know if you know

Regards,
-SHASHI KUMAR

Lakshman
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Re: Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.

Post by Lakshman » 27 Mar 2017, 02:51

I think it is a mixuture of rAgAs including dEs, shades of bAgEshrI and so on. It is difficult to pinpoint them exactly unless one is a trained musician which I am not.

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Re: Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.

Post by sureshvv » 27 Mar 2017, 21:36

vasanthakokilam wrote:
24 Feb 2017, 07:54
I see now what HM uses 'Shuddha' for. Considering the notes of Major Scale/Shankarabharanam Mela those are called Suddha. By that model, should not the Rishaba be called Shuddha Rishaba. That will be more consistent.
Think carnatic raga nomenclature for ragas like Siddha saveri, Suddha hindolam etc. follow same logic.

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Re: Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.

Post by vasanthakokilam » 29 Mar 2017, 04:26

Suresh, interesting observation. Especially given the fact that CM use of Suddha is not what is implied with those raga names.

Saveri -> Suddha Saveri - yes ( R1 - > R2 , D1 -> D2 ) so that fits
HIndolam vs Suddha Hindolam, yes but partially. D1 - > D2 but both use G2

I looked up a few more examples to see if this holds... it is a mixed picture
Vasantha -> Suddha Vasantha holds. R1 - > R2
Dhanyasi ->Suddha Dhanyai . SD is a proper subset of Dhanyasi with no substitution of Suddha variants of any swaras so the rule does not hold
Thodi vs Suddha Thodi is a proper subset of Thodi (ST is a panchama varjya variation of thodi ) with no substitution of Suddha variants of any swaras so the rule does not hold
Bangala vs Suddha Bangala.. here Suddha Bangala uses G2 , Bangala uses G3 which is the inverse of the rule.

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Re: Hindusthani equivalent swaras for carnatic swaras.

Post by sureshvv » 29 Mar 2017, 05:55

Good observations. Don't they say that a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds? :)

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