Porambokku - T.M. Krishna - A song to raise awareness for environmental causes

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sureshvv
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The quoted passage in Post #21 is from the Times of India article. You may need to read that in full to understand the context.

http://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment ... 520252.cms

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sureshvv wrote:If shankarank does not hijack this thread too to take the virtual bucket of cow dung solution and broadly smear everyone within sight in his quest to disinfect
I don't need Cow Dung - the tie that they wear is good enough to hold them by their neck and shake them! Very convenient.
sureshvv wrote:Some of the ideas in the song may need to be fleshed out (like vk feeling "Make in India" is in contradiction). But we can discuss that.
There is this sensex India : http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/richest- ... topstories

and there is the maoist India - more poignantly captured for effect:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... epage=true

There is nothing in between - just nit-witism fanned by the same scholars in the West or their Indian sepoys minted in universities many times on chairs funded by the sensex riders.

And this man wants an apology : http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... r-4475456/ The intellectual and mental Jallianwala Bagh still continues! He thinks his eloquence on Oxford union will awe everybody. In reality it will be a glib one day laugh away!

If Britain indeed apologizes - that will be used to show how nice they are and continue the same thing in different form!

These people will not setup think tanks, universities in India and have a diverse set of ideas that are Indian and discuss our future.

If we cannot have Dharmic ideas - cleansed with cow-dung shall I say - and removed of what might appear to be injustices and harmful to the current mileu to bridge the gap between maoist and sensex - then I'd say lets follow Bharati's ideas - burn the world down if one person cannot eat.

May be what TMK is doing will help. He still took the rAga and tAla - the sam in sangeetham to build his song. After it is all burnt down - we can reconstruct.

What is the use of people who don't know the difference between the brahma mudiccu (knot) in their sacred thread and the tie knot on their neck with all its attendant moorings. They think the sacred thread is all about their clan purity and purity of their dwellings! Which is what caused the problem. They are in awe of intellectual dung being smeared right on their faces! They will understand neither Sanskrit nor the Madras Tamizh! They only believe that their heritage is just the manu-smriti that was written ages back for that time.. and cannot be changed!

It is remarkable that the one that hides the darshan of Nandanar is the bull if not the cow!! The cow/bull separates us from the untouchables literally and figuratively! Sooner we realize the better. Else we will be classified and othered as cow dungers!

We spent $2 Billion building temples in the U.S that the next generation may not come into - continuing the same rituals. The Cardio Surgeons of Indian origin who donated to many such temples are maya-vAdins i.e. world deniers! That is why they save so many lives too!

And we don't have one sound box auditorium to do our performing arts. We have bought into the idea that arts are completely devoid of any divinity. The next generation may need cultural content in IMAX or VR sets - true of not just diaspora - in India as well!

Where are the Indian think tanks? They are tanking inside these Litter Festivals!

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Does anybody care? India's rich-poor divide is obnoxious, says study
In India where poverty is all pervasive, one latest study showcases how India's richest 1 percent now hold a huge 58 percent of the country's total wealth.
Published: Monday, January 16, 2017, 10:24 [IST]
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These people will not setup think tanks, universities in India and have a diverse set of ideas that are Indian and discuss our future.
Why should "these people" do it? Why don't you?

Of course, you have made a good start by attempting to communicate a little more coherently.

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At this time I have only enough resources to try and shame some of the rich. I will try to see If I win a lottery.

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Good luck to you.

But they are shameless. So that ain't gonna cut it either.

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The ragas are:

Anandabhairavi
Begada
Hameer kalyani
Devagandhari
Salaga bhairavi
Sindhubhairavi

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RSR wrote:Does anybody care? India's rich-poor divide is obnoxious, says study
In India where poverty is all pervasive, one latest study showcases how India's richest 1 percent now hold a huge 58 percent of the country's total wealth.
Published: Monday, January 16, 2017, 10:24 [IST]
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Everyone is quick to point out the problems but no two people are able to agree on any solution.

FWIW, the "DeMo" that is ongoing is being tolerated mainly because it is seen as an attempt to do something about the issue. Hope it bears some fruit and can be an ongoing effort.

Typical mentality is "I, myself, am noble, intelligent and sensitive. Everyone else is a rascal, idiot and thick skinned". So we are quick to find fault but do little to change anything! :(

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I am not a native of Chennai. Yet I have been seeing Chennai during the past 50+ years. There was a time when Tiruvanmiyur ended with Marundeeswarar Temple - one could see the sea from the Temple. There was no Besant Nagar. Pallikkaranai marsh area was almost inaccessible beyond Lattice Bridge - there were only kuccha track beyond. In 70's, when I visited the Ayurveda Institute in LB Road, there were no housing colonies there. As late as 1998 when I went on scooter along with my daughter to Kelambakkam, the Pallikkaranai Road was not motorable.

In 2000, my daughter purchased our present flat on Tambaram - Velacheri Road. Then there were only five or so flats which had ACs. Now every house has, not one, but more than one AC. At that time there were only five cars in the complex of 100 flats. Now there are almost 30 cars and people are not coming to our flats on rent because there is no parking space.

In our childhood, we used to drink water straight from taps. When I moved to the present flat, the TDS of untreated water was 200. Today it is touching almost 1000. And when it reaches beyond 2000, ordinary RO filters will become useless. We are recycling the sewage water - we think that the water goes to nearby lake - it simply percolates to our wells from there.

In 2000, Tambaram Velacheri Road was almost deserted. Now the traffic resembles that of Mount Road in 2000.

This in brief the 'progress' of Chennai as I watched it grow.

Now we can blame the politicians who made a mess of this city - every city for that matter. But are they only to blame? Almost the whole of Tiruvanmiyur and Besant Nagar and complete apartment complexes on the Tambaram - Velacheri Road passing through Pallikkaranai Marsh land are not acquired by some foreigners. The kind of vehicle population on the roads does not come from foreigners. We the citizens of Chennai who have subscribed to every one of these so called advancements are responsible for the environmental degradation that has taken place. But when we moved in, we did not visualise that we will land up in this situation.

It is nice and fanciful for some great musician to sing in Pallikkaranai Marsh. Then prey tell me where he has his house? Who is responsible for the destruction of poromboke land of Pallikkaranai Marsh - aren't everyone of us?

During the recent cyclone, our apartment complex did not have electricity supply for almost a week. Then we realised how much we are dependent on electricity. I grew up in Cuddalore without ever seeing an electric lamp till 1960's. Where from this electricity comes? Isn't it a polluting industry?

There is a syndrome called 'railway comparment syndrome'. Till there is adequate space in the compartment, no one bothers. But when the compartment is full, the passengers resist new comers. This is what happening now in Chennai and other cities.

Everyone of the so called advances - plastic - automobiles - you name it - have come from the discarded stuff of Western World. Mr P Chidambaram tells glibly that he hoped auto sales would pick up - does he have any regard for the kind of chaos that is existing on the road. And we have swallowed everyone of these statements of Harvard Professors hook-line-and sinker.

It is like the gentleman who gets into his AC car and hurriedly closes the windows to escape the pollution - he does not realise that it is his car which is indeed polluting the environment.

What kind of glib talk is this - that someone sings in Pallikkaranai Marsh - as if he is some outsider? He has been very much part of this degradation of our environment. If anything we should atone for our sins by doing our best.

Can you stop using electricity? Can you stop using cars and that too with AC? Can you stop using plastic? Can you stop using AC in your houses? Can you stop purchasing flats in agricultural lands?

If your answer is no, then we are all simply pretenders masquerading as environmental activists - let us put an end to this hypocricy. Let us think in what way we can contribute to saving the environment. Let us act in our small ways to atone for our sins. Those who have contributed to the degradation of environment have no right to ridicule it. Hypocricy, thy name is man.

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Respected Sri.Sureshvv, I hope that you had read my post #15 . Dr.Kalaam has given a solution as PURA which I mentioned briefly with link. .and there are a number of people who are working along those lines, all over Tamilnad. without much fanfare. .. The issue is NOT whether CM classical artistes should make their effort to remove what they perceive as social evils. Kudos to anyone who has such social awareness . The problem is gigantic and no two people agree on universal solution, because it is an economic problem, and no easy solutions are available .
My request was , with all due admiration for the person's talent and effort, he need not use CM for this purpose, in this mode. You might have read about the interview given by Sankara Nethralaya executive, how in the centenary year of Smt.MS, he was able to collect a good amount through benefit concerts in US, though he himself does not know much of music. . Sri.T.M.Krishna can emulate Smt.MS in this regard.
rasikas is a forum for carnatic music and so it wont be appropriate to go deep into socio-economic-political problems in this forum except when it is relevant to the spirit of CM. Kindly do grant that people who voice their concern about the huge and increasing divide, could be doing their little bit in their own way. to correct the imbalance. .. Thank you.

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For us to do anything - we need some common cultural civilisational under-pinning and connection that gives us a sense of purpose , since sacrifices are called for. The reason for degradation so far is any good sense that is there from our heritage did not find expression.

It seems we cannot start the conversation without first solving problems of religious discourse, caste feelings, sensitivity issues, and ensuring equal right of dignity ( in their post modern avatar!) for everybody before people can talk.

If you listen to the link where N.Ram and Devdutt Patnaik converse you can see that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCpWECSGR4

That is the left arguing for constitution as the basis of all existence - hypocritically - ignoring the bigotry of their own Marxist bias and lenses with which they read the constitution. Constitution's mandate for secularism is a limit on powers of the government when it functions using the powers conferred on it via the constitution and not on any private individual or organization ( formed by right to association under the constitution) , even people asking for votes. The politicians power to use religion ends when he/she takes oath - that too as part of government functionality only - not otherwise.

Cannot be extended to educational institutions funded by the government - their power ends at the class room door or the auditorium door after they funded it and facilitated it!!

May I ask what is the relevance of secularism in a Lit. festival discussion which is entirely funded privately? The left in India does not want to openly discuss the Abrahamic religions, especially Christianity. With funding dried up from Soviet Union , their funding is now from the western nations. Secularism is only a facade for a thinly veiled Protestantism underneath itself.

Religion , culture , caste are all part of what exists now - and there will be conversations based on that even when seeking votes as things do impact people as a group. We let them do this surreptitiously instead of having an open respectful conversation even without shedding our caste identities. Talking about caste or with sense of your caste identity was made politically incorrect in elite sections, but in Villages, or in the whole country that is not the reality!

That is a good leftist ploy to undermine the country's heritage as a factor in conversations, be it about public issues, amenities, dealing with local government etc. This will ensure that, they the well read, are the gatekeepers of every conversation in society and they are not there available, don't have the courage and cannot relate to people's problem - as their entire thinking is some utopia created in the academia.

That means some external concept ( secular, socialist) is imposed on us - and every caste, every community will have to now negotiate its place, a sense of its own with this Uber Utopian mind and we are all neutered, as all us of are rendered de-facto minorities. We have 1000s of so called castes co-existing for millennia without being on each other's throats ( to use a familiar phrase from another thread). N. Ram is talking about majoritarianism!!

With government running educational institutions we should have healthy religious content and debate in our education and not just put out the filth that left the supposedly unbiased social "scientists" write on religions.

Lets recognize that the so called diversity is expressed as caste as on one of it's manifestations and not coy about talking about it or talking with a sense of it.

First we should contain this left mania - and then we can talk about how to solve various issues.
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His freedom to write literature is the most important thing to discuss in litter festivals!!

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/che ... 048899.ece

Could we learn something from how Gaunders as a community diversified from farming into textiles and succeeded in Tiruppur? Could we see how Vanniyars and Thevars could benefit from it in a different type of activity, using their social trust capital? No!!

We only need to defend the freedom of speech of a writer who seeks to provide material for Chicago scholars of Hinduism to write up and discourse on some community to their Christian network - so they can be maligned in pamphlets and conversion machine can operate!

And we use our litter festivals to debate and defend this freedom of expression!!

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The reason for degradation so far is any good sense that is there from our heritage did not find expression
The reason for degradation is that parents did not succeed in passing the "heritage" to the children. Never mind all your religion, caste, nationality, nationalism, right, left, middle, "liberal"-as-an-insult. What matters is proper human values, and they have the same names whatever the names of the gods or even the countries. Same problem, same world: all of it. The rest is all dressing.

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What is this proper Human values - and who decides that? A new church or pope? Should we have a leftist revolution to settle on something? All attempts at homogenization have resulted in mass Genocide - right through history - to use that Glib Chomskian phrase again!!

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What is this proper Human values - and who decides that?
You for one. Me for another. You need a priest to tell you what is good? I don't.

But hey, don't let me interrupt your rant. There were some good elements, there were several things here and there that I agreed with, but now it is just a diatribe.

Anyway. Carry on.

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Nick H wrote:You for one. Me for another. You need a priest to tell you what is good? I don't.
So you never heard of decentralized cultures where ideas of goodness float up using social interaction? You only know the church? Or the reasoning and logic taught by our education system good enough? Their used to be a moral science class - I used to later think where is the science in it?

I will tell you - even you needed the priests indirectly, because what you consider as goodness you learnt by questioning or criticizing them.

A version of liberalism can be arrived at by such a questioning which happens within the culture itself - and in the Indian case there is a healthy respect for those who have not had the means to do that and come out of it - because their economic needs/conditions don't demand that. Even there they are softened by the sheer diversity of people/groups around them and they are forced to respect differences. The left never understood that.

The left's way of criticizing cultures though is a perverse thing by itself and they will never learn goodness - they lie and lie to obtain their uber power!

In the U.S waves and waves of immigrants don't rile up against the perceived discrimination and become successful economically and may still never equal themselves to the people from the dominant culture.

But the erstwhile minorities went into this bitterness fueled by leftist philosophies and they could never achieve success! If they had worked with the dominant culture silently they could have achieved greater success!

My diatribe or rant against the left continues!

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vgv
your post # 36 is very comprehensive and poignant. My mind went back to a classic scene in Orson Welles's movie - Magnificent Ambersons .Which I have clipped and put here
https://archive.org/details/MagnificentAmbersonsX14
Sometime ago I reviewed this movie in my own blog
https://wordpress.com/post/rasayanakarn ... s.com/3962
Time and Tide wait for none . The irony gets more bitter when we realise there is little around that is not poramboku. Save our inner most feelings.

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Varsha,
Thanks for understanding my feelings.

A few years back, I was going through a hundred-year archive of National Geographic Magazine. In the early 20th century, Americans, according to an article therein, admired the Japanese. A Japanese Professor was touring America lecturing. He was asked as to what the secret of Japan was. And he replied, when we plan, we plan not for the present generation, not even for the next generation, but for the third generation.

Here we are, we have arrogated everything to ourselves. I am in the seventies and I have lived a life of contentment and even my children have seen the best part of their lives. But I am worried as to what is going to happen to my grand children, and their children. It is a nightmare for me even to imagine. Probably our grandfathers felt the same way about us too.

As you say 'let us save our innermost feelings'.

But again, having come to stage of realisation that the Universe is not run by some central authority - the authority is vested right in us - each one of us - leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. The Universe as it is, is a great experimental lab - only the best - not from the fitness point of view - but from harmony point view - survives; everything else is discarded ruthlessly. With the endowment of such a wonderful instrument called 'intellect' man has made an ass of himself - at least the majority of us.

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IT is currently said that hope goes with youth and lends to youth its wings of a butterfly; but I fancy that hope is the last gift given to man, and the only gift not given to youth. Youth is pre-eminently the period in which a man can be lyric, fanatical, poetic; but youth is the period in which a man can be hopeless. The end of every episode is the end of the world.

But the power of hoping through everything, the knowledge that the soul survives its adventures, that great inspiration comes to the middle-aged. God has kept that good wine until now.
GKC

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If this " vandiyile nellu varum " has been properly picturized,. it coudl become much more popular than pormabukku

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUFAyidr6mU

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vgovindan wrote:
The Universe as it is, is a great experimental lab - only the best - not from the fitness point of view - but from harmony point view - survives; everything else is discarded ruthlessly.
I think you may be onto something :) Care to elaborate this harmony thing a bit more? May be "survival of the fittest" needs to be rethunk!

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When TMK said his role as an artist is not to provide religious services to his rasikas - I thought that was a good idea. Too many are blinded by just a crass concept of bhakti - that they cannot distinguish between good and bad performance - and they get up during Mridangam tani and walk away. They don't know the difference between the trinity's concept of viSrAnti sangItam and the rest.

But I did not realize he meant something else entirely.

As regards environment issues :
One of my earlier colleagues a particle physics Phd that came to do programming ( he couldn't teach math in a Univ. as he saw little interest in students) used to talk about this: http://www.seasolarpower.com/

The company had made advances in materials with good heat transfer coefficients - but the governments will spend on basket ball stadium than something on this. And mostly the intellectual property will be stolen by sharks - so the company that is thinking this is also wary of taking funding!

So the fight is between two greedy people. In a dharmic discourse with a sense of sacrifice this could be resolved - but we are not even able to build on our current IT strengths.

We cannot even have a natively developed payments gateway and relying on paytm a chinese company!

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http://www.thehindu.com/business/Econom ... 044486.ece
This is the OXFAM report
Among the richest persons mentioned in this report, I find Ajiz Premji and Shiv Nadar. May be that they have acquired a lot of wealth but they have transformed the lives of literally lakhs of rural youth from tamilnad during the last two decades. , beyond the wildest imagination of the beneficiaries themselves. We owe a debt of gratitude to the Indian software companies for having saved India from severe trade deficit crisis over this period, that too without exporting either raw materials as do under-developed economies or by exporting goods badly needed by our own people. Our economic development model , is largely based on local market. unlike even China which has accumulated huge reserves by export only. .
Next in the list is Mukesh Ambani. He has largely made India self sufficient in oil and gas exploration in co-operation with ONGC. And has contributed to the Green Revolution by production of Fertilizers.
Lakshmi Mithal is a pride of India who is turning the tables on the West in Steel Industry. India is the second largest producer of Iron and Steel, next only to China. It has already overtaken USA and Japan.
I do not know about the others mentioned in the report. Have to Google.
I believe that the above industrialists are also contributing to many philanthropic activities. in India.
Such industrialists, are termed as National Bourgeois in political economy. They are not 'compradour' or lumpen bourgeois ( example) Film and Entertainment industry. The National Bourgeois produce the infrastructure. Our economic model charted out by Jawaharlal Nehru is good. It has made our country self reliant. but Distributive justice is lacking. Land reform measures should aim to make all agrarian labour,, owners of land . This imbalance can be set right within a short time by political will . Decentralization and a bit of more attention to family planning drive and even distribution of population will make India a glorious land. Vision 2020 of Dr.Kalaam. . it is a good thing that cars, scooters and bikes are manufactured in large numbers .Nuclear power will tackle the problem of pollution. Solar power also can be abundant.(electric small cars) With PURA , its benefit will make rural life a delight. Punjab and Haryana have been transformed totally for the better.... While the West's prosperity is based on exploitation of poor countries rich in raw materials, and on collaboration between the military and industry ( war industry) , India has not so far been an imperialist country. Let us hope that the political leadership remains vigilant to prevent such expansion. With our poor brethren as in Africa, India should concentrate on aid and not on trade.

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We have not in sourced strategy , thinking , talking and even language! We need externally educated scholars with their ideologies and agendas on the pay roll of global think tanks.

For this Ennore project there would have been a big 4 consulting firm ( a Mckinsey for e.g) with a million pay out. Then billions pour in. To solve this issue there will be another big 4 engagement - millions out and then billions out !!

Lets first change that!

In the U.S, a taxiwala company Uber is trying to disrupt auto ( why own a car which sits idle 80% of the time) and finance ( payments gateway) and may be the Nadar Annachi ( grocery delivery also) both and attracting talent from Google and Facebook!

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All of them doing Yoga in west - will also find the ways to increase and preserve the telemoric length and live longer.

They won't even use it to sleep on the floor or cotton quilt to reduce consumption of synthetic foam beds! That is why they are changing the name to mindfulness and patented it as well! Mindful of what? There is no union with anything but their bodily comforts!

They exist materially consuming for ever like Charvaks - borrowing for ever from Asian household savings in addition to their own retirement savings invested as bonds!

Who will pay their social security, retirement income ? Mutual fund (FDI!) returns from emerging economies.

Once the land is barren like a desert, or floods once in a while - the desert faith agencies will come to your aid and show their benevolence!

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Write up in The Hindu for TMK is always guaranteed. This writeup is published on Jan 19,2017
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 057857.ece


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On the word itself: it's obvious that the english spelling of the word புறம் போக்கு was coined by the british to make it easier for them to say (as Pembroke). Hasn't it been changed to purambokku (puRam pOkku) in TN until the present day? Or, is it used in more than one way?
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http://www.svym.org/history
Three decades and running
Many years ago I visited the home of one of the remarkable doctors in Bangalore.After the meeting I discovered we both were traveling to Mysore , next.
For him a weekly ritual.
The doc politely declined my offer of a lift in my car.
We have agreed upon the most suitable way to reach our site and held on to it for thirty years.Every additional resource on hand , we would like to be channeled in terms of support.As I travel by bus I am sure of the faces that will be keenly waiting to receive me
Year after Year
Decade after Decade

VGV
Hope you feel better about world your grand children have inherited :)

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https://rbalu.wordpress.com/
There is a need to explore and imitiate lifestyles, consumption patterns and health system of tribals...
Happened once upon a time forced by circumstances. When Burma was being bombed during WWII - the escapees hailing from Deep South India were advised by the tribals to eat what apes eat and drink what apes drink until you are thru the forest!

sampraptE sannihitE kAlE nahi nahi rakshati DukkrinkaraNE

One of them made it - my mother-in-laws father. A person - a Comp Sci Prof retired who the former mentored still talks to me and shared that.

He also shared other stories like his attempts to use context free grammar to produce a translator in the 60s to translate Mandarin to Hindi for the Indian Defense so they could eavesdrop on the enemy only to be rejected because of some British rules regarding a physics degree or such and also a secretary who wanted to place his relative in that position looking at the pay. The project was given up.

He also shared stories on how in a Village in Nellai district where he hailed from - people did not place trust on themselves when asked to contribute and appoint their own person to oversee the effort to de-silt a pond that collected water from Temples and streets - as the district administration was willing to provide equipment at the intervention of this person!
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Re: Porambokku - T.M. Krishna - A song to raise awareness for environmental causes

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varsha,
satsangatvE nissangatvam
nissangatvE nirmOhatvam
nirmOhatvE niScala tattvaH
niScala tattvE jIvan muktiH

Few are those who get this satsanga - and that too in their early age.
Surely the saying 'nAllAr oruvar uLarEl avarporuTTu ellArkkum peyyum mazhai' - Even if there is one virtuous person, for his sake, it rains for everyone - is not false. That is the hope of the World.

Such souls are blessed.


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Re: Porambokku - T.M. Krishna - A song to raise awareness for environmental causes

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vasanthakokilam wrote:I actually felt a bit odd ( half way guilty) enjoying the music since that is not the point of the video, just the vehicle. I very much wish he ( and/or the lyricist) did not drag in the Make in India point since it is going to distract from the main message. That is so stupid of them to do that. I say that irrespective of one's politics, a lot of times what to leave out is as important as what you leave in.
What I thought this conveyed was, let's not use "Make in India" as an excuse to destroy the environment.

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Re: Porambokku - T.M. Krishna - A song to raise awareness for environmental causes

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shripathi_g wrote:
What I thought this conveyed was, let's not use "Make in India" as an excuse to destroy the environment.
Loved the "Vadai sudaraan" expression and abhinayam and raga. All went very well together :)

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Re: Porambokku - T.M. Krishna - A song to raise awareness for environmental causes

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shripathi_g wrote:
vasanthakokilam wrote:I actually felt a bit odd ( half way guilty) enjoying the music since that is not the point of the video, just the vehicle. I very much wish he ( and/or the lyricist) did not drag in the Make in India point since it is going to distract from the main message. That is so stupid of them to do that. I say that irrespective of one's politics, a lot of times what to leave out is as important as what you leave in.
What I thought this conveyed was, let's not use "Make in India" as an excuse to destroy the environment.
While that point is worthwhile making by itself, the relevance and connection to the main theme of the song is quite tepid at best. The issues that the song is about are much broader, long standing, intractable and serious than what his political nemesis has achieved using such slogans like 'Make in India'. Such a forced linkage and taking an irrelevant political pot shot contributed to diluting the main message. In any case,it is only a minor aberration in the overall scheme of things.

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