Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2017

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arasi
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For a fly on the wall, this is all holy, holy, holy, God Almighty!

:?

shankarank
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arasi avargalE, namma sangItatulE ciriyadai peridAkka muDiyum, periyadayum ciridAkka muDiyum! ;) :idea: :lol: - so said a musician recently!

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Prof R Vishweshwaran, Veena

narayara000
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Ranjani gayatri or OST please

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Do not Worry.ranjani gayatri will have too many supporters in the management and SK is assured.OST if considered will be the nicest thing to happen.
Sri Murali will only be too glad to chose RAGa.
All the glamour lady artists will make it like sudha Raghunathan.It is only musicians like Vijaya Siva/OST who cannot make it.

melam72
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FWIW, my sources in the Aca-Dummy tell me the meeting to decide SK hasn't happened yet... so I urge you all to continue posting!!!

Nick H
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the meeting to decide SK hasn't happened yet
Not unanimous yet, then?

hnbhagavan
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Final say will be with Managing Director?

melam72
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Nick H wrote: 28 Jun 2017, 01:13 Not unanimous yet, then?
Nope. Very animous :D

Ananth
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thanjavooran wrote: 02 May 2017, 20:49 ... not giving SK to TR Mali and TNR is still haunting MA.
Thanjavooran
02 05 2017
Serious question: Am I in a minority that thinks Madurai Somu deserved the SK?

melam72
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Ananth wrote: 30 Jun 2017, 20:32 Serious question: Am I in a minority that thinks Madurai Somu deserved the SK?
I don't know about that, but I am with you on that. Perfect mix of popular appeal and intellectual singing, combined with a quasi-MDR-esque swagger. Just because he sung to housefull audiences does NOT make him any less a musician.

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Somebody wrote this:

http://srutimag.blogspot.in/2017/06/mus ... wards.html

I feel that someone should also give a link to this thread!!!

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pvs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1wgQUGKE0Q

Why shouldn't this be OST's year?
Such nonchalant ease and classicism...

narayara000
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I agree, OST

Nick H
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Just looked back to last year's thread. The announcement was made on 24th July. Ao can probably forget all about it again until nearer the end of this month

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If I am right last time the announcement got delayed due to demise of Dr A K's mother at that time

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IT IS RAVIKIRAN SIR OMGOMOGMOGMONG:J I CAN'T AFIOAISABDGBC

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Congrats to Ravikiran

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There are many Vidwans who may not get the coveted sangeetha kalanidhi.As consecutive years the award has been given to instrumentalists,next year it will definitely vocal music.Among the senior vidwans- Vijaya Siva or OS tyagarajan or Neyveli Santanagopalan might be considered.
Certainly RaGa sisters,Malladi Bros will be in the reckoning in the next few years.Sri TM krishna's claims cannot be ignored.

Instrumentalists Lalgudi Siblings,Mysore Bros,Mrs Narmada,Nagai Muralidharan,MA Sundareswaran must merit consideration.

Mridangam Maestro Mannargudi Easwaran also deserves.

But the next one will surely be to Vocal music.

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hnbhagavan wrote: 18 Jul 2017, 21:30award has been given to instrumentalists
"Instrumentalist" is a good description for great instrumentalists like S Balachander, Flute Mahalingam ,L Subramanian or U Shrinivas.

It is a rather limited descriptor when discussing the musical career and contributions of a Lalgudi Jayaraman or Ravikiran. What part of "instrumental music" is:

1) Training numerous top class vocalists at concert level (practically all their pedagogy is vocal)
2) Being trained by top class vocalists
3) Composing gazillion compositions (presumably vocally!) sung by vocalists all over
4) Embracing every nuance of vocal style in the playing
5) Giving vocal concerts from time to time
6) Setting poetry, kurals, etc to music to be primarily sung by vocalists (who might be interested in the tune of Tirukural being played by an instrumentalist ?!)
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I agree.The contributions of Lalgudi Sir,Ravikiran etc is more than what an Instrumentalist can achieve.But still as far as award is considered,it can be counted under instrumental category.

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hnbhagavan wrote: 18 Jul 2017, 21:30 the senior vidwans- Vijaya Siva or OS tyagarajan or Neyveli Santanagopalan might be considered.
Vijaya Siva is a month-and-a-half younger than Ravikiran.

Ravikiran's DOB: 12 February 1967
Vijaya Siva's DOB: 29 March 1967

That is a gap of 45 days.

Or 1080 hours (assuming that they both were born at the stroke of midnight).

Or 64 800 minutes, or 388,000 seconds.

They are almost equal in age, so, in a sane world, VS would get it in a couple of years or 6 years.

But since Vijaya Siva and the MA are in a tiff since the former gave the Car Driver the Kalanidhi first, the chances of him getting it (notwithstanding vidwat, pedigree, and so on) are looking pretty slim, unless Vijaya Siva goes back to the Acadummy to apologise.

But knowing Vijaya Siva, the likelihood of that happening is approximately equal to the likelihood of sureshvv's faecal obsessions to end, so I'd put him in the TVG/Papanasam Sivan category, or the Voleti category of completely denied SK.

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hnbhagavan wrote: 18 Jul 2017, 21:57 I agree.The contributions of Lalgudi Sir,Ravikiran etc is more than what any musician can achieve.
FTFY.
hnbhagavan wrote: 18 Jul 2017, 21:57 But still as far as award is considered,it can be counted under instrumental category.
It counts as a 'classification-transcending' category.

The MA, in a masterstroke, has given it to a vidwan both senior and junior, both a instrumentalist and vocalist (though the latter leaves much to be desired), both a composer and performer, both a guru and a person from an impressive pedigree (his grandfather Narayana Iyengar and Semmangudi learnt from Gottuvadyam Sakharama Rao), as well as a person true to his heart and friendly with those in power.

So, next year, when they give it to a person with a lot of connections, but no pedigree, disciples, voice, or dignity or a musician (AKA Aruna Sayeeram), they can do so with no compunctions.

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I rather enjoy Ravikiran's rare vocal concerts. He had a career as a vocalist: I think he retired from it when he was 8?

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I hope

O.S. Thiagarajan
V.V. Subramaniam
Guruvayoor Dorai
Vijay Siva
Bombay Jayashri
Vikku Vinayakram
Mannargudi Easwaran
Neyveli Santhanagopalan
Thiruvarur Bhaktavatsalam
Kadri Gopalnath
Ranjani Gayatri
Malladi Brothers
T.M. Krishna
Abhishek Raghuram
Kunnakudi Balamuralikrishna
T.N.S. Krishna

receive SK.

Nick H
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oh my god i'm getting old enough that seeing lists like that makes me think that at one per year i might not live to see the end also makes me completely forget grammar and punctuation especially the latter.

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Add
Lalgudi Siblings
Mysore Brothers
MA Sundareswaran
Narmada
Nagai Muralidharan
It is too early for TNS Krishna,kunnakudi Balamurali,Abhishek

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REALISTICALLY AND GOING BY MUSIC ACADEMY PAST RECORD THE ONLY CERTAINTIES IN THE ABOVE LIST TO GET SK IN FUTURE:

RANJANI AND GAYATRI
BOMBAY JAYASHREE
MALLADI BROTHERS

melam72
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Add Aruna Sayeeram to that list. No musical merits whatsoever, but she'll get it anyways because of connections

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It is too early for TNS Krishna,kunnakudi Balamurali,Abhishek
I do not know TNS Krishna. The other two should look to athletics events in the Olympics for awards.

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Nick H wrote: 20 Jul 2017, 14:55
It is too early for TNS Krishna,kunnakudi Balamurali,Abhishek
I do not know TNS Krishna. The other two should look to athletics events in the Olympics for awards.
A good moment of levity in otherwise dull day!

Nick H
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Another funny thing is how some people get pilloried for giving the crowds what they want, whilst others get suggested for SK!

arasi
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Nick,
But for the delicate balance of things!

sankark,
Levity is fine, but animosity is what is upsetting :)

Kokilam,
May your broom not get worn out--
Nor the box of Swiffers deplete!

Nick H
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arasi wrote: 20 Jul 2017, 18:33 But for the delicate balance of things!
Ahhh... delicate balance, yes. Not much of that where certain performers are concerned. Indeed let us see more.

I am harsh in my criticism of a very few artists (mostly, if I don't like them, I don't go and don't talk about them) nor only because I don't enjoy them, but because I hope their styles will not be the future of this music. They are big names (sadly) and fill halls. They can take it. My voice will not reduce their audiences. I doubt that it would even hurt their feelings. Because If I were them, listening to my criticisms, I would point at the size of the audience, laugh, and get on with... doing whatever they do.

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melam72 wrote: 18 Jul 2017, 21:58 or the Voleti category of completely denied SK.
er, it is actually SK being denied the honor having been conferred on two artistes non-pareil

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Voleti venkateswarulu and netiyankara vasudevan being outside Chennai obviously missed out being conferred Sangeetha kalanidhi title by music academy.
Now there are a number of upcoming musicians but all of them will not get the award by Music Academy.Even among the present generation active in the concert platform will miss out unless two awards are instituted by Music academy-one for Vocal and the other for Instrumental.

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Gents,
There is an article today in the Hindu which calls the Sangeetha Kalanidhi as Carnatic's Nobel:
Carnatic’s Nobel: http://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/m ... 316687.ece

I once bought a pile of MP3 albums of the Nagaswaram vidwan Sheik Chinnamoulana. Even in Naad Bhed, he has been exalted to represent the epitome of Carnatic instrumentalists.

But I found almost all the songs in those albums had several off-key moments. Honestly I was underwhelmed.

Am I missing something there? I mean on the one hand the Nobel=SK, Naad Bhed... And then going consistently off-key...

If someone can enlighten me please.

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off-key how?

I have found Nadaswara vidwans interject anya swaras in their playing. This seemed deliberate, random and judicious.

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I should be able to share a couple of tracks.
I mean really apa-swaras, not anya-swaras.

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If the SK is Carnatic's Nobel, then there should be a Carnatic IgNobel!

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Suresh,
Here is an example. This Purvi Kalyani sounds a bit odd to me. Of course, I understand what you mean, the nagaswaram technique may warrant some departures from the vocal tradition.
https://youtu.be/uGiJiev85Ps
So perhaps I am wrong.

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melam72 wrote: 20 Jul 2017, 09:39 Add Aruna Sayeeram to that list. No musical merits whatsoever, but she'll get it anyways because of connections
I beg to differ. This is one of the best Paramatmudu's I've ever heard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4LxDALW36k

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I liked it too, for the mood and mode in which she sings. The last verse with the mudrA was very pleasing. Then, I went on to listen to Pantula Rama singing the AlApana at Tirupati. Beautiful, and Murthy's violin response to it dressed it up even more. The song attained a different dimension, with the telugu speaker's caressing the lyrics...

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I wish to add Sri R K Sriramkumar to the list of deserving Vidwans for Sangeetha kalanidhi title.

Nick H
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Already added :)

arasi
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Nick,
Yes :) CM's Nobel and ignoble. We don't have to wonder why. The SK Award thread every year amply proves it! Seriously though, we all represent rasikAs' views everywhere--of the silent members and of listeners at large...

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narayara000 wrote: 21 Jul 2017, 20:52 I beg to differ. This is one of the best Paramatmudu's I've ever heard:
:lol: :lol:

I feel so sorry for you, thinking that a parathmudu by Aruna Sairam is the best you've heard, not knowing about the remaining versions in the recordingsphere...

narayara000
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melam72 wrote: 03 Aug 2017, 19:29
I feel so sorry for you, thinking that a parathmudu by Aruna Sairam is the best you've heard, not knowing about the remaining versions in the recordingsphere...
Her voice just seems perfect for this song, and the slow pace and soft mridangam just makes it blissful

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“It is of course easier to criticize these so-called errors of omission and commission than to sit down and select a worthy claimant to the title. What is more, during the good times of abundant talent, some excellent artists are bound to miss out, especially those not blessed wit longevity. .. it is of course impossible to satisfy all constituents of the music world as to the genuineness of the claims to greatness of all the awardees.
Sriti has been advocating the broadbasing of the Sangita Kalanidhi award to offer at least to three classifications: vocal, instrumental (wind and string) and percussion.”
Sri V Ramnarayan in Sruti.

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