Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2017

narayara000 · Post by **narayara000** » 20 Jul 2017, 00:33

I hope

O.S. Thiagarajan
V.V. Subramaniam
Guruvayoor Dorai
Vijay Siva
Bombay Jayashri
Vikku Vinayakram
Mannargudi Easwaran
Neyveli Santhanagopalan
Thiruvarur Bhaktavatsalam
Kadri Gopalnath
Ranjani Gayatri
Malladi Brothers
T.M. Krishna
Abhishek Raghuram
Kunnakudi Balamuralikrishna
T.N.S. Krishna

receive SK.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 20 Jul 2017, 03:38

oh my god i'm getting old enough that seeing lists like that makes me think that at one per year i might not live to see the end also makes me completely forget grammar and punctuation especially the latter.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 20 Jul 2017, 06:22

Add
Lalgudi Siblings
Mysore Brothers
MA Sundareswaran
Narmada
Nagai Muralidharan
It is too early for TNS Krishna,kunnakudi Balamurali,Abhishek

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 20 Jul 2017, 09:33

REALISTICALLY AND GOING BY MUSIC ACADEMY PAST RECORD THE ONLY CERTAINTIES IN THE ABOVE LIST TO GET SK IN FUTURE:

RANJANI AND GAYATRI
BOMBAY JAYASHREE
MALLADI BROTHERS

melam72 · Post by **melam72** » 20 Jul 2017, 09:39

Add Aruna Sayeeram to that list. No musical merits whatsoever, but she'll get it anyways because of connections

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 20 Jul 2017, 14:55

It is too early for TNS Krishna,kunnakudi Balamurali,Abhishek

I do not know TNS Krishna. The other two should look to athletics events in the Olympics for awards.

sankark · Post by **sankark** » 20 Jul 2017, 15:24

Nick H wrote: ↑20 Jul 2017, 14:55
It is too early for TNS Krishna,kunnakudi Balamurali,Abhishek
I do not know TNS Krishna. The other two should look to athletics events in the Olympics for awards.

A good moment of levity in otherwise dull day!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 20 Jul 2017, 15:30

Another funny thing is how some people get pilloried for giving the crowds what they want, whilst others get suggested for SK!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 20 Jul 2017, 18:33

Nick,
But for the delicate balance of things!

sankark,
Levity is fine, but animosity is what is upsetting

Kokilam,
May your broom not get worn out--
Nor the box of Swiffers deplete!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 20 Jul 2017, 21:33

arasi wrote: ↑20 Jul 2017, 18:33 But for the delicate balance of things!

Ahhh... delicate balance, yes. Not much of that where certain performers are concerned. Indeed let us see more.

I am harsh in my criticism of a very few artists (mostly, if I don't like them, I don't go and don't talk about them) nor only because I don't enjoy them, but because I hope their styles will not be the future of this music. They are big names (sadly) and fill halls. They can take it. My voice will not reduce their audiences. I doubt that it would even hurt their feelings. Because If I were them, listening to my criticisms, I would point at the size of the audience, laugh, and get on with... doing whatever they do.

sankark · Post by **sankark** » 20 Jul 2017, 22:25

melam72 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2017, 21:58 or the Voleti category of completely denied SK.

er, it is actually SK being denied the honor having been conferred on two artistes non-pareil

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 21 Jul 2017, 10:31

Voleti venkateswarulu and netiyankara vasudevan being outside Chennai obviously missed out being conferred Sangeetha kalanidhi title by music academy.
Now there are a number of upcoming musicians but all of them will not get the award by Music Academy.Even among the present generation active in the concert platform will miss out unless two awards are instituted by Music academy-one for Vocal and the other for Instrumental.

Sachi_R · Post by **Sachi_R** » 21 Jul 2017, 11:51

Gents,
There is an article today in the Hindu which calls the Sangeetha Kalanidhi as Carnatic's Nobel:
Carnatic’s Nobel: http://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/m ... 316687.ece

I once bought a pile of MP3 albums of the Nagaswaram vidwan Sheik Chinnamoulana. Even in Naad Bhed, he has been exalted to represent the epitome of Carnatic instrumentalists.

But I found almost all the songs in those albums had several off-key moments. Honestly I was underwhelmed.

Am I missing something there? I mean on the one hand the Nobel=SK, Naad Bhed... And then going consistently off-key...

If someone can enlighten me please.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 21 Jul 2017, 12:33

off-key how?

I have found Nadaswara vidwans interject anya swaras in their playing. This seemed deliberate, random and judicious.

Sachi_R · Post by **Sachi_R** » 21 Jul 2017, 13:22

I should be able to share a couple of tracks.
I mean really apa-swaras, not anya-swaras.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 21 Jul 2017, 14:20

If the SK is Carnatic's Nobel, then there should be a Carnatic IgNobel!

Sachi_R · Post by **Sachi_R** » 21 Jul 2017, 19:48

Suresh,
Here is an example. This Purvi Kalyani sounds a bit odd to me. Of course, I understand what you mean, the nagaswaram technique may warrant some departures from the vocal tradition.
https://youtu.be/uGiJiev85Ps
So perhaps I am wrong.

narayara000 · Post by **narayara000** » 21 Jul 2017, 20:52

melam72 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2017, 09:39 Add Aruna Sayeeram to that list. No musical merits whatsoever, but she'll get it anyways because of connections

I beg to differ. This is one of the best Paramatmudu's I've ever heard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4LxDALW36k

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Jul 2017, 20:47

I liked it too, for the mood and mode in which she sings. The last verse with the mudrA was very pleasing. Then, I went on to listen to Pantula Rama singing the AlApana at Tirupati. Beautiful, and Murthy's violin response to it dressed it up even more. The song attained a different dimension, with the telugu speaker's caressing the lyrics...

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 24 Jul 2017, 15:05

I wish to add Sri R K Sriramkumar to the list of deserving Vidwans for Sangeetha kalanidhi title.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 24 Jul 2017, 23:19

Already added

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 25 Jul 2017, 05:09

Nick,
Yes

CM's Nobel and ignoble. We don't have to wonder why. The SK Award thread every year amply proves it! Seriously though, we all represent rasikAs' views everywhere--of the silent members and of listeners at large...

melam72 · Post by **melam72** » 03 Aug 2017, 19:29

narayara000 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2017, 20:52 I beg to differ. This is one of the best Paramatmudu's I've ever heard:

I feel so sorry for you, thinking that a parathmudu by Aruna Sairam is the best you've heard, not knowing about the remaining versions in the recordingsphere...

narayara000 · Post by **narayara000** » 03 Aug 2017, 22:57

melam72 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2017, 19:29
I feel so sorry for you, thinking that a parathmudu by Aruna Sairam is the best you've heard, not knowing about the remaining versions in the recordingsphere...

Her voice just seems perfect for this song, and the slow pace and soft mridangam just makes it blissful

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 12 Aug 2017, 11:19

“It is of course easier to criticize these so-called errors of omission and commission than to sit down and select a worthy claimant to the title. What is more, during the good times of abundant talent, some excellent artists are bound to miss out, especially those not blessed wit longevity. .. it is of course impossible to satisfy all constituents of the music world as to the genuineness of the claims to greatness of all the awardees.
Sriti has been advocating the broadbasing of the Sangita Kalanidhi award to offer at least to three classifications: vocal, instrumental (wind and string) and percussion.”
Sri V Ramnarayan in Sruti.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 13 Aug 2017, 06:16

It is a good suggestion.Will do justice to a number of Instrumentalists.

Ganesh Rajan · Post by **Ganesh Rajan** » 24 Aug 2017, 14:13

My take.. Sri. Mannargudi Easwaran...

melam72 · Post by **melam72** » 24 Aug 2017, 14:44

The nominations for this year are over, young man.

Do you want another Sangeetha Kalanidhi thread?

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Aug 2017, 15:53

I want to make a wild prediction. The next but one SK will be TMK.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 24 Aug 2017, 16:02

Do you mean one after next or last but one?

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 24 Aug 2017, 16:20

pen ultimate?

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Aug 2017, 16:48

2019.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 24 Aug 2017, 22:55

Padma award may be. Think he has burned the bridges for SK.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 25 Aug 2017, 16:02

O S Tyagarajan/ Vijaya Siva

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 25 Aug 2017, 17:01

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melam72 · Post by **melam72** » 25 Aug 2017, 17:27

Unlike many Carnatic musicians, Vijaya Siva has self respect.

He knows his calibre and his crowd pulling ability - I vaguely remember a 2004-5 concert of him in MA when he filled in for Unnikrishnan and was able to hold the full house's attention.

Hence, sabha secretaries are obligated to, nay, MUST approach him for concerts. He shouldn't go after them so shamelessly like other vidwans do so. He needs the respect for his art.

So when he showed that, the Meccadummy ignored him.

This isn't burning bridges, this is preserving one's dignity.

To quote Ganesh of Ganesh - Kumaresh from an interview - 'I have trained for 10-15 years and worked so hard, so why should I play second fiddle to vocalists?'

Similarly, why should vidwans of the stature of Vijaya Siva and Amrutha Murali beg and plead for slots to be given to them?

Vijaya Siva has done the more honourable thing and walked away. If Amrutha Murali does the same, and then Prasanna Venkataraman, and a few others, the Saptarishis will be put in its place and respect vidwans.

If...

Sachi_R · Post by **Sachi_R** » 25 Aug 2017, 17:37

I feel this field of Carnatic music and its multidimensional politics and economics of influence is just another example of all human activity fraught with deficiencies and undesirable elements. This is inescapable. I see this every day and I have been listening to classical music concerts for over 60 years now

I feel in this scenario, as a rasika, or listener, I have to follow some dharma.
1. I should attend concerts with a certain attitude of dedication and commitment to listening to the artiste/s.
2. I should openly appreciate good and great music and applaud talent, without favour or fear.
3. Stay away from gossip and uncultured talk.
4. Gather around people who demonstrate 1,2, and 3.
5. Do everything within my power and means to share good music.
6. Pray that I do not violate the principles 1-5.

narayara000 · Post by **narayara000** » 25 Aug 2017, 23:33

OST is an absolute must, he better get in 2018

narayara000 · Post by **narayara000** » 25 Aug 2017, 23:37

Everyone else born in 1940s: TVS, TNS, TVR have gotten,he is the last one left

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 28 Aug 2017, 19:39

Sachi,
All golden rules. Of all, rule three is what takes care of it all for us here at Rasikas.org.
Rasikas we shall truly remain, by paying attention to it...

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 28 Aug 2017, 20:41

Sachi_R wrote: ↑25 Aug 2017, 17:37 3. Stay away from gossip and uncultured talk.

Whoa! Somebody still thinks culture is relevant and not always oppressive!!

As Mahabharata lays it out, the world is imperfect! I would add to your list that :

Irrespective of what happens, we should try to learn more!