Neurologist on ragas
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Neurologist on ragas
From Swarajya: V S Ramachandran
“The Darbari Kanada scale probably evolved from “peak shifts” and gull chick principle applied to separation cries of infants pleading. The angst of separation from parent got morphed – through gull chick effect into the existentialangst of separation from God! (Oh why have you brought me into this world – this vale of tears – and left me alone) and in the descent (But I know all will end well). Or Abheri (world sorrow) compared with Bhairavi (plaintive personal sadness) and penance (Shubhapantuvarali).”
“The Darbari Kanada scale probably evolved from “peak shifts” and gull chick principle applied to separation cries of infants pleading. The angst of separation from parent got morphed – through gull chick effect into the existentialangst of separation from God! (Oh why have you brought me into this world – this vale of tears – and left me alone) and in the descent (But I know all will end well). Or Abheri (world sorrow) compared with Bhairavi (plaintive personal sadness) and penance (Shubhapantuvarali).”
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Hmmmmm.
I had a very different feel for the raga. And had felt good that its grandeur as depicted by Mia Tansen's compositions (ref. Tansen CD - Music Today) and its profound serenity as expressed by Vid Lalgudi in "Sarvam Brahmamayam" sung by Bombay Jayashri resonated with my own feelings.
See what Raganidhi says:
I had a very different feel for the raga. And had felt good that its grandeur as depicted by Mia Tansen's compositions (ref. Tansen CD - Music Today) and its profound serenity as expressed by Vid Lalgudi in "Sarvam Brahmamayam" sung by Bombay Jayashri resonated with my own feelings.
See what Raganidhi says:
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How does Hari Tum Haro sound?
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I heard that Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan concluded that Anandha Bhairavi increases the yield of milk from cows, and that Charukesi makes paddy in fields grow faster...
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Sri KVC,
Yes, Hari Tum Haro is very sad. I feel the words, the intonations, the movie scene, all make it very sorrowful.
But the raaga? Thanks to you, I did some listening today. I feel Carnatic music has adapted Darbari Kanhada into a sombre persona.
But the Hindustani folks on the other side of the moon dress it up not in tatters and tears but a tiara and turban of majesty. Listen to this, one among many:
https://youtu.be/SQCk50joPLk
Also this! :
https://youtu.be/Bm7VrMnW2vU
Yes, Hari Tum Haro is very sad. I feel the words, the intonations, the movie scene, all make it very sorrowful.
But the raaga? Thanks to you, I did some listening today. I feel Carnatic music has adapted Darbari Kanhada into a sombre persona.
But the Hindustani folks on the other side of the moon dress it up not in tatters and tears but a tiara and turban of majesty. Listen to this, one among many:
https://youtu.be/SQCk50joPLk
Also this! :
https://youtu.be/Bm7VrMnW2vU
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Sachi,
Another fan of the rAga here. To me, this rAgA has a plaintive tone mostly, but how appealing at the same time! Rafi's bhagvAn has not lost its impact after all these years. Some call the Taj Mahal cold, for a monument of its magnitude. Yet, you cannot match it in its beauty. I have also heard durbAri in rAgamAlikAs in CM, in most emotive modes, not depressing at all, but arresting in the way in which it brings out the rich imagery of some lyrics.
Another fan of the rAga here. To me, this rAgA has a plaintive tone mostly, but how appealing at the same time! Rafi's bhagvAn has not lost its impact after all these years. Some call the Taj Mahal cold, for a monument of its magnitude. Yet, you cannot match it in its beauty. I have also heard durbAri in rAgamAlikAs in CM, in most emotive modes, not depressing at all, but arresting in the way in which it brings out the rich imagery of some lyrics.
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Interestingly "Hari Tuma Haro" was not part of the film "Meera".
More about the song in the link below
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hari_Tuma_Haro
The song was sent to tune by Sri Vaidyanathan a genius and brother of cine star of yester years Ranjan.
More about the song in the link below
http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/yADn1xi ... -hymn.html
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Cienu,
Thank you. As ever, every story about MSS is so inspiring. I am sorry, the popular You Tube video featuring Hari Tum Haro (https://youtu.be/itUXh4UrTZc) made me think it was a movie song. I daresay that the pathos instilled into the rendering by the 3 great collaborators mentioned in the story bears out the Carnatic approach to the raga Darbari Kanada.
But I still request your response to my feeling that the Hindustani approach stresses majesty and grandeur rather than pathos! After all the Hindustani music has its treasure trove of pathos ragas rather overflowing , what with Bilaskhani Todi, Bairagi Bhairav, Piloo (on occasion)....
In fact there is a scholarly study of a sample of ragas published by America's NIH that says
Thank you. As ever, every story about MSS is so inspiring. I am sorry, the popular You Tube video featuring Hari Tum Haro (https://youtu.be/itUXh4UrTZc) made me think it was a movie song. I daresay that the pathos instilled into the rendering by the 3 great collaborators mentioned in the story bears out the Carnatic approach to the raga Darbari Kanada.
But I still request your response to my feeling that the Hindustani approach stresses majesty and grandeur rather than pathos! After all the Hindustani music has its treasure trove of pathos ragas rather overflowing , what with Bilaskhani Todi, Bairagi Bhairav, Piloo (on occasion)....
In fact there is a scholarly study of a sample of ragas published by America's NIH that says
ragas with emotion labels of sad/longing/tensed were Malkauns, Shree, Marwa, Miyan ki Todi, Basant Mukhari, Lalit.
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Just a small clarification: the NIH have nothing to do with this publication in the journal, Frontiers in Psychology. The only reason you see 'nih' in the link is that all indexed medical journals are part of the National Library of Medicine (NLM), the world's largest biomedical library, which comes under the purview of the NIH, and is located on the NIH campus in Bethesda.
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I am listening to Fateh Ali Khan. That is majestically plaintive to my predisposed mind. As I was listening, i googled and found this: "Classical raag Khamaj evokes emotion like peace, happiness, joy, whereas raag Darbari evokes emotion like sad and depression." I can't make head or tail of this technical piece: http://ijcsit.com/docs/Volume%206/vol6i ... 604165.pdf
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Clarifying further, not all of the articles linked by pubmed (the informal name for the nih website) database are mainstream medicine or science...rshankar wrote: ↑31 May 2017, 04:30Just a small clarification: the NIH have nothing to do with this publication in the journal, Frontiers in Psychology. The only reason you see 'nih' in the link is that all indexed medical journals are part of the National Library of Medicine (NLM), the world's largest biomedical library, which comes under the purview of the NIH, and is located on the NIH campus in Bethesda.
For example, here's an article on snake Oil...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1026931/
And one on astrology...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17305205
And on voodoo illness...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1542554
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Yes, you're right, Uday of course.
But both Uday and you should read that article and tell what you think. The concept and methodology are quite straight forward.
But both Uday and you should read that article and tell what you think. The concept and methodology are quite straight forward.