Favourites in the Big 6

Miscellaneous topics on Carnatic music
vijay
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Post by vijay »

Ravi - one can't be too careful these days!

vijay
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Post by vijay »

Just heard Sri Subrahmanyo...a truly unique creation in Thodi - the only one I've heard which employs the rishabham so prominently - SRJ's version I felt emphasized this note a whole lot more than DKJ's

ramakriya
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Post by ramakriya »

vijay wrote:Just heard Sri Subrahmanyo...a truly unique creation in Thodi - the only one I've heard which employs the rishabham so prominently - SRJ's version I felt emphasized this note a whole lot more than DKJ's
Vijay,

Where did you find SRJ's version? Is it available on Sangeethapriya?

-Ramakriya

subhiksha rangarajan
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Post by subhiksha rangarajan »

to choose between ragas is a tough question..but as a regular music listener ,i would like to share my favourite compositions herewith...
1 kharaharapriya - cakkani rAja[t.n.krishnan], saumitri bhAgyamE [tns]
2 tODi - koluvamaragada[dkj]
3 bhairavi - (amba) kAmAkshi[all time favourite], koluvaiyunnADe, upacharamulanu
4 kAmbhOji - O rangaSAyee[tns], maragata vallim [dkj]
5 SankarAbharaNam - akshaya linga vibhO [tns], enduku peddala[semmangudi mama]
6 kalyANi - abhayamba ,birana brova,yethavunara

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Post by rshankar »

Subhiksha,

Welcome - I think you are being a little to modest when you call yourself a mere listener (I assume that you are 'that' Subhiksha, who is also a performing artist!)

cienu
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Post by cienu »

Well, I am a late entrant to the "big six" poll and my views will no impact on the results declared by Vijay.

Nevertheless here goes :)


Todi: Swarajati, Sri Krishnam, Kadhanu Variki, Karthikeya, Vandinam Muralum.
Sankarabharnam: Sankaracharyam, Sadasiva Upasmahe, Saroja Dala Netri, Akshaya Linga Vibho, Dakshinamurthe, Aartha Piravi,Enduku Pedhala,
Kambodhi: O ranga sayee, Thiruvadi Charanam, Subramanya Namaste, Margatha Valli
Bhairavi : Viriboni, Enati , Yaaro Evar Yaaro, Koluvaiyunade, Odi Baraiya
Kalyani: Talli Ninu Nera, Nidhisala Sukhama, Birana Brova, Bhajare Re Chita, Needu Charana, Ata Thala Varnam
Kharaharapriya: Pakkala Nilabadi, Samanam Evaru , Chakkini Raja, Okapari kokapari vayyaramai (Annamacharya)

vijay
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Post by vijay »

Ramakriya, yes, I did find it on Sangeethapriya. It is a fairly elaborate rendition with an alaapana...

Cienu/Subhiksha we can always have a final poll later! Interesting to note that TNS has rendered Mithri Bhagyam...

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Post by ragam-talam »

My favourite raga - by two performing artistes
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2008/02/15/stor ... 330800.htm
"We have a special affinity for ragas such as Bhairavi, Sahana, Mukhari, Sankarabharanam, Khambodi, Kalyani, Thodi, Suruti, Begada"¦ could just go on and on."

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Post by sandhyafny »

The songs from the Tamil movie Pokkisham composed by Sabesh movie have songs based on carnatic ragas. For more view the trailer of Pokkisham movie here

vallaki
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Post by vallaki »

1. bhairavi - viriboni -(MSS)
2. SankarAbharaNam - Saroja Dhala Netri (MSS)
3. tODI - thanithirundhu Vazhunnai Thavamaniye ( K.B.Sundarambal)
4. kAmbhOji - O Ranga Sayee- (MSS)
5. Karaharapriya - Okapari Kokapari(MSS)
6. kalyANi -Vanajakshi

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Post by vallaki »

Seriously, i cannot believe nobody thinks of thanithirundhu Vazhunnai Thavamaniye ( K.B.Sundarambal)
when they think of thodi !!!! I know this is not a regular song, but for me it is such a classic !!!

BTW, I think Violinists love love love thodi..
They can play that raga ALL NIGHT Long - Is there not something special abount the violin and thodi- they have an eternal love affair !!!
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Post by arasi »

I remember that totally captivating KBS tODi song as: tanittirundu vAzhum meit tavamaNiyE.
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Post by vallaki »

arasi wrote:I remember that totally captivating KBS tODi song as: tanittirundu vAzhum meit tavamaNiyE.
Thanks for correcting arasi- what does that mean?

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Post by rajesh_rs »

1. Kharaharapriya - Chakkani Raja, Pakkala Nilabadi, Mitri Bhagyame Bhagyamu

Can't get enough of Kharaharapriya. One marvellous ragam with great scope for improvisation and depth.

2. Thodi - Thaye Yashoda, Kotinadulu, Era napai

One of the more grim ragas that I didn't like initially but loved after listening to some memorable renditions.

3. Bhairavi - Yaaro Ivar Yaaro, Odi Baarayya, Indu Enage Govinda

An instant favourite. Yaaro Ivar Yaaro was an instant hit, and Indu Enage Govinda was a familiar song. Grew to like this ragam.

4. Kambhoji - Kuzhaloodhum Manamellam, O Rangasayee

Very pleasant ragam, very uplifting. Loved O Rangasayee performed by Santhanam.

5. Shankarabharanam - Yenagu Aane Ranga

Sounded like too plain a ragam and I hardly listen to it.

6. Kalyani - Nambi Kettavarillaro

Sounded wonderful each time I listened to it. Haven't listened to many carnatic songs in it though.

arasi
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Post by arasi »

Vllaki,
tanittirundu vAzhum: one who stays on the hills in solitude (the word malai is not there, but is understood).
He is a tava maNi: a gem among tapasvis.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

>3. Bhairavi - Indu Enage Govinda

'Indu Enage Govinda' is normally sung in Mukhari. There is an MSS version which is quite good. For now, this is what I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enU7e_s96rs The one from Mantralaya Mahime is a bit light on Mukhari

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Post by rajesh_rs »

vasanthakokilam wrote:>3. Bhairavi - Indu Enage Govinda

'Indu Enage Govinda' is normally sung in Mukhari. There is an MSS version which is quite good. For now, this is what I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enU7e_s96rs The one from Mantralaya Mahime is a bit light on Mukhari
Didn't know that! Mukhari is another beautiful ragam, especially like Sivakama Sundari as rendered by DKP. Is the Eradu Kanasu version in Mukhari? It sounded like Bhairavi to me...

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

rajesh: It is supposed to be in Mukhari and I think in Eradu Kanasu the intention is probably Mukhari but not enough attention is paid to the details to bring out the Mukhari identity without any ambiguity. Like how she sings 'AnandA', she is trying mukhari but not enough azhuttham to clinch it in favor of mukhari.

Try this MSS version. For me, this is the gold standard for this song. MSS starts with the Raghavendra mUla manthra and then launches into the song. Quite divine.

http://sangeethamshare.org/murthy/172-P ... akshmi.mp3

( If the above direct link does not work, go to http://sangeethamshare.org/murthy/172-P ... is-385-Nos and in the alphabetized list look for
InduEnageGovindaNinnaPadaravindavaToro-Mukhari-MSSubbulakshmi.mp3

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Post by srikant1987 »

1. Sbharanam - swara rAga sudhA, sAmi ninne. Also like sarOja daLa nEtri.
2. kAmbhoji - koniyADina nApai, evari mATa. I liked kAshi vishvEshvara also.
3. tODi - rAvE himagiri kumAri, karuNAnidhi ilalO, shrI kriShNam
4. kalyANi - nidhi cAla sukhamA?, bIrAna varAlicci, Rama ni vadukontivo?, kAruvelpulu.
5. bhairavi - rakSha beTTare, viribhONi, koluvai yunnADE! Note: I like mukhAri more than bhairavi.
6. khpriya - pakkala nilabaDi, cakkani rAjamArgamulu. Also like okapari.

arunk
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Post by arunk »

vk - I think the one in the movie is bhairavi only - and fairly standard one at that

Arun
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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Thanks Arun. I had that inkling as well but figured in film songs they were mixing the two up ( given how she sing that 'ananda' 1:02 to 1:05 and also the sequence from 1:41 to 2:10 which sounded like Mukhari to me, but then right around 2:14 when she takes back the refrain it was pretty much bhairavi) Thanks for the clarification.

What about this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UdgYts1Sd8

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Post by arunk »

hmm. I had the same feeling of bhairavi until I heard nondEnayya.. part starting from 1:45 which seems to have a very discernible mukhari whiff (which then remains back to the refrain). I didnt get this far with that other video. Confusing unless the order of ragas in the raga malika is bhairavi (pallavi), next is mukhari, next is ranjani etc. Still mukhari after bhairavi would be an unusual choice in a ragamalika.

Arun

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Arun, that is probably what it is: Ragamalika with bhairavi, mukhari and ranjani. Is the AnandA 1:02 - 1:04 in the first one, 1:06 to 1:08 in the second one, kosher for bhairavi?. It seems to precariously hang in a balance and possibly tilting towards Mukhari. Please listen and let me know.

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Post by arunk »

To my ears that seemed ok in the context of bhairavi (m g~ rs). Now if the sa was held at r's pitch for a little bit and slid down to sa (say like mgr..s), that I think would be more mukhari like. This is just my feel - the more knowledgeable may have more reliable info.

Arun
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Post by rajesh_rs »

arunk wrote:To my ears that seemed ok in the context of bhairavi (m g~ rs). Now if the sa was held at r's pitch for a little bit and slid down to sa (say like mgr..s), that I think would be more mukhari like. This is just my feel - the more knowledgeable may have more reliable info.

Arun
I am listening to a Lec-dem by T M Krishna where he differentiates between Bhairavi, Mukhari and Huseni. I guess the use of the nishadam and the gandharam are different in the ragas. I am not sure I understood it the way he explained it so could someone summarize? (I don't know if this has already been discussed) Thanks.

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Post by rbharath »

there was an youtube video in which Smt Kalpakam Swaminathan elaborates the difference between Bhairavi and mAnji.. i dont seem to find it these days though...

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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

Post by narayara000 »

My top 6 in each of big 6 (in no particular order):

Thodi

Chesinadella by Sudha Raghunathan (Sangathis at Bhama Matalu) - T

http://mio.to/album/Sudha+Raghunathan/G ... Thyagaraja

Koluvamaregada by Gayathri Venkataraghavan (Sangathis at Anupallavi and second half of charanam) - T

http://mio.to/album/Gayathri+Venkatarag ... atic+Vocal

Tamadam En Swami by Vijayalakshmi Subramaniam - P Sivan

http://mio.to/album/Vijayalakshmy+Subra ... arvanandam

Gajavadhana Sammodhitha by TM Krishna (The chittaswaram) - Kumara Ettendra

http://mio.to/album/T.+M.+Krishna/Janar ... %282004%29

Rave Himagiri Swarajathi by Bombay Jayashri - Syama Sastri

http://mio.to/album/Bombay+Jayashri/Tra ... he+Trinity

Thaye Yashoda - OVK


Kambhoji

O Rangasayee (Sangathis at Pallavi) - T

Parthasarathi Un by TM Krishna - Ambujam Krishna

http://mio.to/album/Krishna+TM/Ksetra+Vaishnava

Kadirkama Kandhan by Gayathri Venkataraghavan - P Sivan

https://www.sangeethamshare.org/svasu/U ... traghavan/

Kasi Visveswara (the Madhyama Kalam) - MD

Kana Kan Kodi - P Sivan

Mari Mari Ninne by TM Krishna (Sangathis at Pallavi) - T

http://mio.to/album/Krishna+TM/Mari+Mar ... %282010%29


Kalyani:

Pankaja Lochana by Akkarai Sisters - ST

https://youtu.be/eFOcv-l5GRA?t=1h20m51s

Chidambaram Ena Manam by Gayathri Venkataraghavan - P Sivan

https://www.sangeethamshare.org/kasturi ... araghavan/

Ethavunara by Ranjani Gayathri (Sangathis at Pallavi and Anupallavi) - T

http://mio.to/album/Gayathri%2C+Ranjani ... 2005+Vol+2

Kamalambam Bhajare - MD

Karu Velpulu by Pantula Rama (Sangathis at Pallavi) - T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7PsnRweK8Y

Venkataramana Pankaja Charana by Nithyasree- P Sivan

http://www.allmusic.com/album/papanasam ... 0001286955


Kharaharapriya:

Saraswathi Annaye by Nithyasree - P Sivan

http://mio.to/album/Nithyasree+Mahadevan/Devi+Krithis

Ganapathiye - P Sivan

Janakipathe by TM Krishna - P Sivan

http://mio.to/album/Krishna+TM/Mari+Mar ... %282010%29

Dayavillaya Dayalo by Maharajapuram Santhanam - P Sivan

http://mio.to/album/Maharajapuram+Santh ... cert+Vol+1

Appan Avadharittha by OST - P Sivan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXpCVhTeyQY

Vidhi Illarku by Sriram Parasuram - Anai Ayya Bros

https://youtu.be/utMkqVQW94U?t=5m11s


Bhairavi

Koluvaiyunnade (the gait at which the ragam is set, as well as sangathis at pallavi) - T

Kamakshi Swarajathi - Syama Sastri

Ammamma Emamma by Priya sisters - Annamacharya

http://mio.to/album/Priya+Sisters/Sri+A ... %281999%29

Balagopala by Abhishek (The charanam) - MD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFXQyuuFnkI

Attharunam by Sanjay - P Sivan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A7frAwrpJg

Etthanai Kettalum by TNS - OVK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzdpKL44OX0


Shankarabharanam

Sadashivam Upasmahe by Gayathri Venkataraghavan - MD

https://charsur.com/album.php?aId=214

Akhilanda Nayaki by Priya Sisters - P Sivan

http://mio.to/album/Priya+Sisters/Papan ... %282008%29

Akshaya Linga Vibho - MD

Buddhi Radhu by Sanjay (the slow gait) - T

http://dunya.compmusic.upf.edu/carnatic ... ddhi-raadu

Chandra Rekha by Gayathri Girish (the chittaswaram) - Muthiah Bhagavathar

https://charsur.com/album.php?aId=249

Alarulu Kuriyaga by Priya Sisters - Annamacharya

http://mio.to/album/Priya+Sisters/Devi+ ... %282000%29
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Sachi_R
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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

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Narayana Narayana! Image
What a quintessential "Rasikas" thread.
All that remains is for you lovely people to share links to the shareable recordings of the artistes. What a feast it will be.

You know what? If say 10 people each recommend 3 pieces each in the big six and the average length is 8 min., a quick back of the pink slip calculation shows
10.6.3.8/60 = 24 hours. Imagine a streaming set-up with dynamic hyperlinking radio and we can enjoy the best of the best 24 hours akhandam! And the show goes on!...

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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

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Thaye Yashoda - OVK - By Chembai in Shamugananda Hall with Palghat Raghu! - the back to back dual concert the next? day with KJY on his side with TVG on Mridangam.

The organizer in his speech before the concert mentions how Chembai is unperturbed by intricacies of Mridangam playing by artistes like Sri Palghat Raghu.

vasanthakokilam
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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

Post by vasanthakokilam »

Sachi_R wrote: 24 Apr 2017, 13:00 Narayana Narayana! Image
What a quintessential "Rasikas" thread.
Yes Sachi. A great thread resurrected. There was quite a bit of energy and enthusiasm in this thread then with people sharing their favorites. The thread starter 'Vijay' was also an active participant in general but we have not heard from him in years.

I learned about some great ones like the kalyani master piece kAru vElpulu from this thread then. I tracked down a version by M.S. Sheela and it was in heavy rotation on my playlist for a while. I need to get back to that.

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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

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Well, well, this thread seems to be a long runner. My favourites then would be

1) Thodi -- There seems to be no end to this raga or what you can do with the gamakas in it -- it's scope seems to be limited only by the imagination of the artiste. For sheer range of phrasing it is in a completely different level, a class entirely of it's own. There are so many ways of playing a particular note in Thodi that you could just make a massive alapana from just trying different gamakas on all the notes.

And then come the others :

2) Bhairavi -- Bhairavi has a way of tugging at the heartstrings right from the opening phrase and is best for putting you in a meditative trance. Thodi for all it's glory isn't the king of sentiment as it is of overwhelming depth. There are a few things to take care of in Bhairavi and one of them is to try not to make it sound like Kharaharapriya once you get into the upper octave. It's merger into Manji still hasn't robbed the shuddha dhaivatam of it's scope and you can use it very liberally without ever sounding like the 20th melakartha of Natabhairavai. The handling of the D2 in bhairavi has some subtleties to it that isn't clear from the swaras, but in the phrases.

3) Kambhoji -- Lot has been said about it's unique flavour and I wholeheartedly agree. However this raga is not so easy to elaborate as it looks. It has a significant overlap with Harikambhoji and sometimes gives the effect of "A tale of two ragas". MMI's swaras in Maa Jaanaki probably can be the book on how to explore all the swaras of Kambhoji without going into Harikambhoji.

If you ask me, Harikambhoji has probably suffered as an underrated raga thanks to evolving in the shadow of Kambhoji. It is Thyagaraja who really showed the world what it can do.

4) Shankarabharanam -- The stats would show that Thyagaraja in fact composed more in Shankarabharanam than in Thodi. It is naturally suited for majesty and energy and in the hands of a good musician can surprise you with it's ability to go beyond the arohanam and avarohanam like none of the others. It excels in complex phrases and long kaarvais. To me personally it is more mentally demanding to elaborate a Shankarabharanam than a Thodi because for some strange reason the same thing that energizes me in the beginning tends to tire me out after a while.

5) Kalyani -- Kalyani's flavour is amazing to me and it's scope for elaboration is right on par with Shankarabharanam and can even give a good fight to Thodi, and it doesn't overwhelm me like Shankarabharanam does. It gives you more landing notes to hover on than Shankarabharanam, but it is more linear and just because you share 7 out of 8 notes with Shankarabharanam doesn't mean that you can try all of Shankarabharanam's phrases on Kalyani. It might however be a bit easier to do brighas in Kalyani.

6) Kharaharapriya -- In my opinion, it is quite underrated. It's scope for elaboration in many ways is even bigger than Bhairavi (my opinion). It lends itself incredibly well as one of the easiest ragas for the left hand on the violin. You can elaborate it liberally across the octaves and use almost all the swaras as landing notes with some skill. Brighas can rain aplenty in this raga and the sweeping jhaarus you can do in KHP are unique.

It's worth mentioning here that Thodi, Natabhairavi, Shankarabharanam, Kalyani, Harikambhoji and Kharaharapriya are all graha bheda variations of the same scale. Bhairavi although being a phrase oriented raga is right now a combination of Natabhairavi and Kharaharapriya without actually sounding like either, while Kambhoji apart from it's unique phrases shares a lot with Harikambhoji.

So if you look at it that way, it is in fact the variations of a single sampoorna scale that rule the universe of ragas in Carnatic music.

PS : There is only one other example of such domination of one scale and it is the scale of Mohanam that transitions into Madhyamavati, Hindolam, Shuddha Saveri and Shuddha Dhanyasi, in that order, and all these ragas are major ones.

Honorary mentions in my book go to Shanmukhapriya (comparable to Bhairavi IMHO with extraordinary potential across the octaves) and Mayamalavagowla (especially MMG for all the focus it gets since the 1st lesson you learned in Carnatic music should be a raga with immense potential for elaboration, even more than Shankarabharanam, but doesn't get it's due).
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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

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Revised list:

1) shankarAbharaNam - svararAgasudhA, shankarAcAryam, muttukumaranE ... akShayalingavibhO is OK
2) tODi - rAvE himagirikumAri ... gajavadanA
3) kalyANi - kAruvElpulu, EtAvunarA
4) kAmbhOji - evari mATa, koniyADina nApai
5) bhairavi - koluvaiyunnADE ... rakShabeTTarE, bAlagOpAla

6) Kharaharapriya - cakkanirAjamArgamulu ... rAma nIyeDa

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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

Post by ratanabhinav »

Kalyani - Enduko Ni manasu , Kathaya kathaya madhavam , entati kuluke
Kharaharapriya - Pakkala nilabadi , rama ni samanamevaru , nadachi nadachi
Kamboji - Marakathavallim , Kailasa nathena , Emaiyya rama , Sri Raghuvara
Bhairavi - Enati nomu phalamu , yaro ivar yaro , Mugathai katti , Sri Kamalambikayah
Sankarabharanam - Pogadirelo Ranga , Swararaga , Dakshinamurte , Manasu swadhina ,
Thodi - Dasharathe , Munnu ravana , Brindavana lola , Koluvamaragada

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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

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Bhairavi - the rAgam of Carnatic music - KoluvaiyunnADE - the song of CM! How can bhairavi be mentioned without koluvai - the vARNAM type formation kriti where tyAgaraja epitomises his viSrAnti like no other!

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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

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SrinathK wrote: 26 Apr 2017, 13:30 Kharaharapriya -- In my opinion, it is quite underrated
I think the semi-tonal closeness of ri-ga, dha-ni requires quite a sonorous and pliable voice to make it stick. Remember an SVK review of OST @ KGS where he was not pleased with the vocalist but noted the effective return by MC.

TNS 1993 or so , @ MA - Pakkala Nilapadi with MC, KVP and Harishankar on Kanjira was a memorable one for me.

Had an Ayyappan RTP in Todi as well - vikasita mukam subhaphalapradam hariharasutam - sada bhajEham 1 Akshara ( 32 count ) atItam eduppu- and was released commercially.

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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

Post by ratanabhinav »

Actualy , my Big 6 is
kanada- vani pondu , srinarada , mamava sada , suki evaro
sahana- mogadochi bilachedu , raghupate rama , giripai ,
dwijavanthi - akilandesvari , chathasri , ramachandruditadu
kapi- undu mada kalitran , parulanna mata , inta sowkhya , janaki ramana
kedaragowla- siggumali , venugana , vanaja nayana , ramuni marava
ritigaula - sadguru swamiki ragaratna malikache , bale balendu , nannu vidachi

ratanabhinav
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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

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ratanabhinav wrote: 26 Apr 2017, 21:16 Kalyani - Enduko Ni manasu , Kathaya kathaya madhavam , entati kuluke
Kharaharapriya - Pakkala nilabadi , rama ni samanamevaru , nadachi nadachi
Kamboji - Marakathavallim , Kailasa nathena , Emaiyya rama , Sri Raghuvara
Bhairavi - Enati nomu phalamu , yaro ivar yaro , Mugathai katti , Sri Kamalambikayah
Sankarabharanam - Pogadirelo Ranga , Swararaga , Dakshinamurte , Manasu swadhina ,
Thodi - Dasharathe , Munnu ravana , Brindavana lola , Koluvamaragada
I like kalyani the most , . Thodi is too jarring for me , except in one semmangudi's alapana in emani mataditivo ........it is better there.

vasanthakokilam
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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

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shankarank wrote: 27 Apr 2017, 08:45
SrinathK wrote: 26 Apr 2017, 13:30 Kharaharapriya -- In my opinion, it is quite underrated
I think the semi-tonal closeness of ri-ga, dha-ni requires quite a sonorous and pliable voice to make it stick.
Are those two specific semi-tonal closeness aesthetically different compared to other such pairs in other ragas. G3-M1 is one such pair which is probably the best in terms of consonance. Generally curious if the specific way KHP handles those pairs make it a challenge or it is more general...
Remember an SVK review of OST @ KGS where he was not pleased with the vocalist but noted the effective return by MC.
You remember such things!!

I have always felt that 'raga preciseness and fidelity' is always better with violinists ( instrumentalists in general ). Vocal renditions have totally overwhelming other aspects which make most of us prefer vocal concerts but just purely on the melodic aspects, instrumentalists even if they are not in the top tier comes across better than top tier vocalists.

Shankarank, you mention viSrAnti above in reference to Thyagaraja's Koluvai. You have written about that before but not sure if you have elaborated on that earlier. May be you can open a separate thread or write about that here. What does that mean to you from a musical aesthetics perspective?

shankarank
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Re: Favourites in the Big 6

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vasanthakokilam wrote: 09 Jun 2017, 22:19 Are those two specific semi-tonal closeness aesthetically different compared to other such pairs in other ragas. G3-M1
The semi-tonal closeness of other pairs involve prakRti svaras - like M2-P, G3-M1 etc. M1 is still linked to Adhara Sruti - right? This R2-G2, D2-N2 one is in the well of music the vikRti zone! mAyamAlava gaula (MMG) is still a vibrant rAga at the outset - I am stating that without deliving into scope of elaboration and suc. Now how much of that is due to conditioning because it is taken up for initial training - is a hypothetical question.

There was supposedly a discussion in MA about KHP vs. MMG as the initial trainer - and SS Rao ( father of MM Rao - Munirao) overruling with a statement - that if people cannot sing MMG let them not come to CM.

But KHP is still thought to be the threshhold that a true CM artiste should cross and prove their mettle. But it is the one that turns off a trespasser into a Thyagaraja Utsavam. It is a conundrum. That tyAgaraja made it big is one thing - but we should note that he was able to derive so many derivatives by pulling teeth one by one! They may not be all major rAgas , but he was able to create many a composition with those!!

It is noted as a pancama rAgam in Gita Govindam ( candana carcita) - TNS mentions in his discourse and also alludes to kApi thAT from HM which is also alluded to in the composition ( kApi kapOla). The inter tetra chord relationships are great but it has this neighborhood consonance issue in the well of music. So a person who is able to do a dhATTu sequence ( which brings out inter tetra chord jumps and phrases) and also makes it a second nature to incorporate in Alapanas with flair may have success with this I suppose.

Presence of a major rAga Bhairavi close by ( actually it may not be a close by one - but I am taking it from skeletal perspective - like when we blurt out the notes to define ragas) makes it very suspicious!

Should the thread be titled Big 5 - actually I have heard only Big 5 when did it become 6?? Plot thickens and looks like a deep conspiracy :P
vasanthakokilam wrote: 09 Jun 2017, 22:19 I have always felt that 'raga preciseness and fidelity' is always better with violinists ( instrumentalists in general ).
Now let me add more to the plot.. you see Nadasvara vidvans seem to win with just Tone , sound and volume and their rhythmic sense and many times they sound off key to a tambura - sa-pa-sa voice people. Please listen to the Bhairavi vaRnam in the Thirumeignanam 5 hour concert ( Thiruveezhimalai thread in V&V forum) posted by varsha - to the G2 sounded in many places. But their music still carries way better than a Sruti aligned singer for a connoisseur conditioned listening to them! So the precision argument is not universal - it seems contextual to String instruments?

May be it is the nAdasvara vidvans that brought out this rAga and SSI picked it up with his asura sAdhakam!

Hey! if we want to critique rAgas lets head straight to KHP. Why bother with about this and that priya that HMB created :lol: .

I will comment on your viSranti question shortly!

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