500+ most frequently used telugu words in carnatic music

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rshankar
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Post by rshankar »

But sEvakan is a word that's borrowed from sanskrit, and not an indegenous tamizh word (and hence, can't be pre-modern?)

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Post by arunk »

It is indeed borrowed although tamil has been borrowing from sanskrit for quite a while. Still there must be a indigenous (say old tamil) equivalent - i do not know what it is.

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Post by arunk »

maybe paNiyAL?

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rshankar wrote:But sEvakan is a word that's borrowed from sanskrit, and not an indegenous tamizh word (and hence, can't be pre-modern?)
On the other hand it is pre-modern exactly for the same reason. Its even found in the Tiruvachakam (circa 9th century CE). There is currently no Tamil literature we know of (right from the earliest) without words borrowed from Indic.

I can't read Telugu script, but Brown's Telugu Dictionary lists baNTu as

బంటà±ÂÂ

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Post by arasi »

ANDAL uses it: enRenRun sEvakamE ETRip paRai koLVAn

aDiyAL, aDimai, Uzhiyan ??

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Post by sridhar_ranga »

toNDan is probably the closest Tamil equivalent to sEvakan.

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Post by sridhar_ranga »

transliteration for some of the telugu words in 129:

a pawn at chess - sEvakuDu
a devotee, bhaktuDu
a disciple, SishyuDu
a brave man, SuruDu

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Post by sridhar_ranga »

I miss the edit button.

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Post by srkris »

Suji Ram wrote:'aravam' in telugu means- we won't shout.
When Telugus use the word 'aravamu' or 'aravalu' to refer to Tamil people (or to the language), it is the Tamil meaning that applies, the tamil meaning of aravam is serpent. The word is derived from Skt. sarpam.

Probably Tamils were in ancient times called the Nagas (snake people or snake worshippers). The buddhist canon (dIrgha nikAya 20: MahÄÂÂ

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Post by prabuddha »

1) Saying 'sEvakan' is a more traditional register of the language. They will be armed with sticks as are 'aDi AL'. It just means a retainer of a feudal lord, local zamindar, oor periyavar etc
2) Sri TS Parthasarathi has used a register of Tamil which was very respectable and formal until the 1900's or so. That's what I meant. This 'tanittamiz' and the related disease of looking for pure Tamil equivalents for every word commonly used in Tamil is of recent origin.
3) I've used pre modern in the sense of anything before 1900
4) Some Sanskrit I'm sure has always been there in Tamil
5) aravam is noise in Tamil too. To contrast, Andal uses 'pEccharavam' for conversation as in 'pEccharavam kETTilaiyO' in the 'keesu keesenRu' song and 'puRRaravam' for snake in the 'kaRRu karavai kaNangaL' song.

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கீசà¯ÂÂ

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Post by arasi »

srkris,
kIcu kIcenRu--is how ANDAL sang--meaning, the sound of birds).
kIccu kIccu is is more modern.

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Post by srkris »

Oh OK... pls continue with the telugu stuff. :)

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Post by PUNARVASU »

sridhar_rang wrote:transliteration for some of the telugu words in 129:

a pawn at chess - sEvakuDu
a devotee, bhaktuDu
a disciple, SishyuDu
a brave man, SuruDu
should it not be 'SUruDu'-brave man (from the word SUra)

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Post by sridhar_ranga »

Yes Punarvasu, it is SUruDu.

Now you know why I missed that edit facility immediately after posting it! :)

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Post by sankark »

Just now came across this thread. One thing that I have been thinking about.

How does a word get established as sanskrit (indic?) originated/derived. Couldn't sEvai become sEva or aravam become sarpam? Just curious. Any good online references to read up on?

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Post by Pratyaksham Bala »

arava in Sanskrit means noiseless !
sEv in Sanskrit means serve / obey / worship. And sEvaka means servant / attendant / follwer.

It is curious that the common Tamil word ANi (nail) is found in Rig Veda.
Similarly, the Tamil word nIr (water) is similar to nIra (water) in Mahabharata.


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Good resource. Thanks

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Post by vgovindan »

aravam is derived from a+ravam - without sound - having no aspirated consonants.
http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/r ... able=brown

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Post by natyasri »

its bharamu and not bAramu.

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