500+ most frequently used telugu words in carnatic music
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On the other hand it is pre-modern exactly for the same reason. Its even found in the Tiruvachakam (circa 9th century CE). There is currently no Tamil literature we know of (right from the earliest) without words borrowed from Indic.rshankar wrote:But sEvakan is a word that's borrowed from sanskrit, and not an indegenous tamizh word (and hence, can't be pre-modern?)
I can't read Telugu script, but Brown's Telugu Dictionary lists baNTu as
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When Telugus use the word 'aravamu' or 'aravalu' to refer to Tamil people (or to the language), it is the Tamil meaning that applies, the tamil meaning of aravam is serpent. The word is derived from Skt. sarpam.Suji Ram wrote:'aravam' in telugu means- we won't shout.
Probably Tamils were in ancient times called the Nagas (snake people or snake worshippers). The buddhist canon (dIrgha nikAya 20: MahÄÂÂ
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1) Saying 'sEvakan' is a more traditional register of the language. They will be armed with sticks as are 'aDi AL'. It just means a retainer of a feudal lord, local zamindar, oor periyavar etc
2) Sri TS Parthasarathi has used a register of Tamil which was very respectable and formal until the 1900's or so. That's what I meant. This 'tanittamiz' and the related disease of looking for pure Tamil equivalents for every word commonly used in Tamil is of recent origin.
3) I've used pre modern in the sense of anything before 1900
4) Some Sanskrit I'm sure has always been there in Tamil
5) aravam is noise in Tamil too. To contrast, Andal uses 'pEccharavam' for conversation as in 'pEccharavam kETTilaiyO' in the 'keesu keesenRu' song and 'puRRaravam' for snake in the 'kaRRu karavai kaNangaL' song.
2) Sri TS Parthasarathi has used a register of Tamil which was very respectable and formal until the 1900's or so. That's what I meant. This 'tanittamiz' and the related disease of looking for pure Tamil equivalents for every word commonly used in Tamil is of recent origin.
3) I've used pre modern in the sense of anything before 1900
4) Some Sanskrit I'm sure has always been there in Tamil
5) aravam is noise in Tamil too. To contrast, Andal uses 'pEccharavam' for conversation as in 'pEccharavam kETTilaiyO' in the 'keesu keesenRu' song and 'puRRaravam' for snake in the 'kaRRu karavai kaNangaL' song.
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Re: 500+ most frequently used telugu words in carnatic music
Just now came across this thread. One thing that I have been thinking about.
How does a word get established as sanskrit (indic?) originated/derived. Couldn't sEvai become sEva or aravam become sarpam? Just curious. Any good online references to read up on?
How does a word get established as sanskrit (indic?) originated/derived. Couldn't sEvai become sEva or aravam become sarpam? Just curious. Any good online references to read up on?
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Re: 500+ most frequently used telugu words in carnatic music
arava in Sanskrit means noiseless !
sEv in Sanskrit means serve / obey / worship. And sEvaka means servant / attendant / follwer.
It is curious that the common Tamil word ANi (nail) is found in Rig Veda.
Similarly, the Tamil word nIr (water) is similar to nIra (water) in Mahabharata.
sEv in Sanskrit means serve / obey / worship. And sEvaka means servant / attendant / follwer.
It is curious that the common Tamil word ANi (nail) is found in Rig Veda.
Similarly, the Tamil word nIr (water) is similar to nIra (water) in Mahabharata.
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Re: 500+ most frequently used telugu words in carnatic music
Good resource. Thanks
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Re: 500+ most frequently used telugu words in carnatic music
aravam is derived from a+ravam - without sound - having no aspirated consonants.
http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/r ... able=brown
http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/r ... able=brown
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Re: 500+ most frequently used telugu words in carnatic music
its bharamu and not bAramu.