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I talked to my linguistic colleague about the official terminology for 'v' and 'w'. The IPA web site has the classifications ( language independent ): http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/images/pulmonic.gif ( click on it to magnify ).
As you can see, V is classified as 'fricative labiodental'. LabioDental means that the teeth and the lips come together. Fricative has to do with friction in making the sound...I am lost beyond that point. So, the 'v' phoneme ( and not necessarily the letter 'v' ) has to be produced with the upper teeth touching the lower lip.
As you can see, V is classified as 'fricative labiodental'. LabioDental means that the teeth and the lips come together. Fricative has to do with friction in making the sound...I am lost beyond that point. So, the 'v' phoneme ( and not necessarily the letter 'v' ) has to be produced with the upper teeth touching the lower lip.
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sbala, at the risk of sounding like a linguist , you probably produced a Bilabial Plosive sound That is how Bengalis would say it. Bilabial refers to two lips touching each other and then the sound comes suddenly ( plosive ).
OTOH, 'v' is labiodental, meaning bite ( dental ) just the lower lip ( labio ), the two lips do not touch each other ( otherwise it will be a bi-labial sound ).
OTOH, 'v' is labiodental, meaning bite ( dental ) just the lower lip ( labio ), the two lips do not touch each other ( otherwise it will be a bi-labial sound ).
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pANini's ashTAdhyAyi (or one of it's interpretation)also prescribes "vakArsya dantOShTam" (labiodental) while describing how each varNa is to be pronounced.vasanthakokilam wrote:As you can see, V is classified as 'fricative labiodental'. LabioDental means that the teeth and the lips come together.
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candasEyaLa is a prabandha by RD, not a lakShaNa gIte. It is notated in the SSP. Although RD is popularly credited to have created the hamsadhwani rAga, it is notable that mudduvEnkaTamakhi gives a lakShaNa SlOka describing the rAga. So it is likely that RD gave life to the rAga rather than conceived it.humdinger wrote:I am told sri ramaswamy dIkshitar who conceived hamsadhwani has composed a song "chasndasEyaLa..." as a lakshaNa gIta for this raagam. has anyone heard this? any recordings available?
But in the SSP, subbrAma dIkShitar says RD conceived it and does not give the one liner of muddu vEnkaTamakhi describing the rAga.
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yes- thats how sUtras/lakShaNa SlOkas ought to be- convey as much in as few words as possible. Take this one-liner on hamsadhwani itself- auDava with madhyama and dhaivata eschewed. That not only conveys that the rAga has only 5 notes and which notes are omitted, but also, as it does not mention vakratva, means the ArOhaNa and avarOhaNa are straight. Note here that as the varjya swaras are not mentioned specifically for either ascent or descent, it is to be taken that the varjyatva applies for both Also, nO bhAShAngatva is mentioned. A lot can be learnt form what is not mentioned in these SlOkas as much as (or more) from what is mentioned- reading between the lines
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here is a pAnini samskrita lecdem that I found on googling, at around 5th minute is the w vs v.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6822263241+
drs: thx for explanation of the Sloka. just like i guess most of pAnini's sutra is reading between lines (or should I say reading between 'letters').
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6822263241+
drs: thx for explanation of the Sloka. just like i guess most of pAnini's sutra is reading between lines (or should I say reading between 'letters').
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This has happened more than once For eg, some sources say that MD created amRtavarShiNi; But that rAga is defined in MV's Ragalakshana. There may be other instances too.drshrikaanth wrote:candasEyaLa is a prabandha by RD, not a lakShaNa gIte. It is notated in the SSP. Although RD is popularly credited to have created the hamsadhwani rAga, it is notable that mudduvEnkaTamakhi gives a lakShaNa SlOka describing the rAga. So it is likely that RD gave life to the rAga rather than conceived it.humdinger wrote:I am told sri ramaswamy dIkshitar who conceived hamsadhwani has composed a song "chasndasEyaLa..." as a lakshaNa gIta for this raagam. has anyone heard this? any recordings available?
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vasya10vasya10 wrote:here is a pAnini samskrita lecdem that I found on googling, at around 5th minute is the w vs v.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6822263241+
drs: thx for explanation of the Sloka. just like i guess most of pAnini's sutra is reading between lines (or should I say reading between 'letters').
Thank you for this nice link!
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Key is to note that we need to use the appropriate v or w depending on the target sound in Sanskrit. So write 'dhwani' because there's more of an 'oo' sound that is present in the Sanskrit word, while write 'veena' because this time it's closer to the v sound. Sticking to a single way of writing (either or v or w) can result in incorrect representations.here is a pAnini samskrita lecdem that I found on googling, at around 5th minute is the w vs v.
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Raga Shankara is a close ally of Hamsadhwani and sung fairly extensively in Hindustani classical music. Here are the links to a tarana sung by the late Roshan Ara Begum who was a disciple of Ustad Abdul Karim Khan.
http://www.badongo.com/file/2483524
http://www.badongo.com/file/2483524
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Three renderings that have shaped my image of Shankara
http://www.badongo.com/file/2487368
KL Saigal singing Rhum Jhum to stop a marauding Elephant in its tracks.
Two rare concert clips by Kishori and Gangubai Hangal-Both unfinished at the end - but still manage to be explosive.
Krishna Hangal is particularly in great touch , while accompanying her mother.
Detailed explorations ?? Yes Bhimsen Joshi has sung it for a commercial album for over an hour.
Krishna Kalle too sang a sizzling cabaret number "Ondondagee Jaridare" based on this melody.The orchestration for this song is a delight.
http://www.badongo.com/file/2487368
KL Saigal singing Rhum Jhum to stop a marauding Elephant in its tracks.
Two rare concert clips by Kishori and Gangubai Hangal-Both unfinished at the end - but still manage to be explosive.
Krishna Hangal is particularly in great touch , while accompanying her mother.
Detailed explorations ?? Yes Bhimsen Joshi has sung it for a commercial album for over an hour.
Krishna Kalle too sang a sizzling cabaret number "Ondondagee Jaridare" based on this melody.The orchestration for this song is a delight.
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vasanthakokilam:
checkout www.speaksanskrit.org
also check out www.samskrita-bharati.org and see if you have a local (US) chapter.
here is some information about the samskrita teacher:
"About Sadhvi Vrnda Chaitanya: Sadhvi Chaitanya, currently Resident Director and Acharya of Arsha Vijnana Mandiram near Valdosta, Georgia is a former Professor at the University of California, Berkley and has taught at several US universities including San Francisco, Oberlin , Oregon and Valdosta. She is a prolific speaker who has given lectures and seminars at many prestigious events in US and abroad, including at the Vatican Inter Faith meeting last June."
I got this via email as im a subscriber of speaksanskrit.org forum. There is supposed to be another webinar this week, if i get that will post that link too.
checkout www.speaksanskrit.org
also check out www.samskrita-bharati.org and see if you have a local (US) chapter.
here is some information about the samskrita teacher:
"About Sadhvi Vrnda Chaitanya: Sadhvi Chaitanya, currently Resident Director and Acharya of Arsha Vijnana Mandiram near Valdosta, Georgia is a former Professor at the University of California, Berkley and has taught at several US universities including San Francisco, Oberlin , Oregon and Valdosta. She is a prolific speaker who has given lectures and seminars at many prestigious events in US and abroad, including at the Vatican Inter Faith meeting last June."
I got this via email as im a subscriber of speaksanskrit.org forum. There is supposed to be another webinar this week, if i get that will post that link too.
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NADA ANUBOOTHI
http://home.sprynet.com/~dsivakumar/music/intromus.htm
Music Categories > Carnatic - Vocal > Ragas H... > Hamsadhwani
has the following tracks,
Gam Ganapathi(HMB) by DKJ
Ganapathe by KJY
Karunai seivai (Papanasam Sivan) by TVS
Mooladara Murthi (Papanasam Sivan) by R & J
Namami Vigna (Krishnaswami Iyer) by MLV
Parvati pathim (Dikshitar) by DKJ
Raghunayaka (Thyagarajar) by Sowmya
Sri Raghukula (Thyagarajar) by TNS, Sowmya, TVS
Thayaghi Thandhayaghi (Ramlinga Swami) by MLV
Ullam Irangi (Papanasam Sivan) by OST
Vandeham (Annamacharya) by Hyd. Bro.
Varavallbha ramana (GNB) by MLV
Vatapi Ganapathim (Dikshitar) by Chembai,GNB,KJY,MDR,MLV,MMI,MSM,SSI
Music Categories > Carnatic - Instrumental > Ragas H... > Hamsadhwani
has the following tracks,
Gaja vadana (Purandaradasar) by US
Gam Ganapathi (HMB) by US
Mooladara Murthi (Papanasam Sivan) by US
Raghunayaka (Thyagarajar) by MSG
Thayaghi Thandhayaghi (Ramlinga Swami) by Kanyakumari
Vandeham (Annamacharya) by LGJ
Varana mukha (Koteeswara Iyer) by US
Vinayaka Vigna (Veenai Kuppier) by THV
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http://home.sprynet.com/~dsivakumar/music/intromus.htm
Music Categories > Carnatic - Vocal > Ragas H... > Hamsadhwani
has the following tracks,
Gam Ganapathi(HMB) by DKJ
Ganapathe by KJY
Karunai seivai (Papanasam Sivan) by TVS
Mooladara Murthi (Papanasam Sivan) by R & J
Namami Vigna (Krishnaswami Iyer) by MLV
Parvati pathim (Dikshitar) by DKJ
Raghunayaka (Thyagarajar) by Sowmya
Sri Raghukula (Thyagarajar) by TNS, Sowmya, TVS
Thayaghi Thandhayaghi (Ramlinga Swami) by MLV
Ullam Irangi (Papanasam Sivan) by OST
Vandeham (Annamacharya) by Hyd. Bro.
Varavallbha ramana (GNB) by MLV
Vatapi Ganapathim (Dikshitar) by Chembai,GNB,KJY,MDR,MLV,MMI,MSM,SSI
Music Categories > Carnatic - Instrumental > Ragas H... > Hamsadhwani
has the following tracks,
Gaja vadana (Purandaradasar) by US
Gam Ganapathi (HMB) by US
Mooladara Murthi (Papanasam Sivan) by US
Raghunayaka (Thyagarajar) by MSG
Thayaghi Thandhayaghi (Ramlinga Swami) by Kanyakumari
Vandeham (Annamacharya) by LGJ
Varana mukha (Koteeswara Iyer) by US
Vinayaka Vigna (Veenai Kuppier) by THV
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KarNATaka sangItam http://surasa.net/ (Hamsadhwani) links
Dinakara vamsa (K M Saundaryavalli)
by KMS (Contribution - K N Sundaram)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?kms ... nakara.mp3
by Susarla Sivaram (Contribution - K N Sundaram)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?siv ... nakara.mp3
Pagavari (Patnam Subramania Iyer)
by DKP (Contribution - S Hariharan)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?dkp ... gavari.mp3
Vatapi (Dikshitar)
by Dwaram
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?dva ... vatapi.mp3
by ESS (Contribution - Syamala Rao Eevani)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?ema ... vatapi.mp3
by NR (Contribution - S Hariharan)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/btdload.cgi?f ... vatapi.mp3
by SSI
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?ssi ... /vatapi.rm
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Dinakara vamsa (K M Saundaryavalli)
by KMS (Contribution - K N Sundaram)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?kms ... nakara.mp3
by Susarla Sivaram (Contribution - K N Sundaram)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?siv ... nakara.mp3
Pagavari (Patnam Subramania Iyer)
by DKP (Contribution - S Hariharan)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?dkp ... gavari.mp3
Vatapi (Dikshitar)
by Dwaram
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?dva ... vatapi.mp3
by ESS (Contribution - Syamala Rao Eevani)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?ema ... vatapi.mp3
by NR (Contribution - S Hariharan)
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/btdload.cgi?f ... vatapi.mp3
by SSI
http://surasa.net/cgi-bin/plist.cgi?ssi ... /vatapi.rm
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just out of curiosity..
(i) are there some ragams in which RTPs are not done/ not allowed as a rule ?
(ii) has anyone rendered an RTP in hamsadhwani ?
we have RTPs in ragams having five swarams.
can someone through light on this aspect.
thank you
(i) are there some ragams in which RTPs are not done/ not allowed as a rule ?
(ii) has anyone rendered an RTP in hamsadhwani ?
we have RTPs in ragams having five swarams.
can someone through light on this aspect.
thank you
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I remeber listening this song Nera mora from a recording of Smt. Rama ravi.
Kindly give me some time.
I perhaps can give the text and the recording too.
One is sure to find it in Brinda amma's collection.
Kindly check!
Kindly give me some time.
I perhaps can give the text and the recording too.
One is sure to find it in Brinda amma's collection.
Kindly check!
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Dear members , It would be only appropriate to put forth my request to view my composition in Hamsadwani -on Lord ganesha as well as Hamsadwani Sabha rasikas. this one was composed in compliance with the request of the Great TRS, who presented this kriti at the Hamsadwani Sabha .And response by the respected rasikas was overwhelming .This kriti is posted in www.karnatik.com
Ramaraj
Ramaraj
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This URL will take you to the clip in question and a rendition by the composer himself! A very lovely compsition - very clever use of the words 'rasika ranjanA'...vageyakara wrote:Dear members , It would be only appropriate to put forth my request to view my composition in Hamsadwani -on Lord ganesha as well as Hamsadwani Sabha rasikas. this one was composed in compliance with the request of the Great TRS, who presented this kriti at the Hamsadwani Sabha .And response by the respected rasikas was overwhelming .This kriti is posted in www.karnatik.com
Ramaraj
Sri Ramraj, would you call the language just telugu, or a sort of maNipravALa(m) with sanskrit and telugu mixed?
http://www.karnatik.com/c3502.shtml
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Ravi Shankarji Namaskaram,though it is a kriti in telugu.sanskriti padams are adopted for the simple reason of adding colour to the saahityam as is evident in thousands of other telegu kritis of and also tamil krities.The great Papanaasivan has included sanskrit words to several kritis .In the above kriti Telegu padams start emerging from caranam lines .Thank u for ur views.
Ramaraj
Ramaraj
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Hallo friends ,
My contribution in this Ragam "HAMSADWANI RASIKA RANJANA' in glorifying Lord Ganesha and portraying HIS grace in general and
HIS pervasive impact on the rasikas' of HAMSADWANI MUSIC SABHA- Chennai. This was performed by none other than the great
TRS . The kriti was composed in compliance with his request and within a day before the actual concert.He virtually enthralled the audience with his deft handling the kriti
Ramaraj Ref ; www.karnatik.com/c3502.shtml
My contribution in this Ragam "HAMSADWANI RASIKA RANJANA' in glorifying Lord Ganesha and portraying HIS grace in general and
HIS pervasive impact on the rasikas' of HAMSADWANI MUSIC SABHA- Chennai. This was performed by none other than the great
TRS . The kriti was composed in compliance with his request and within a day before the actual concert.He virtually enthralled the audience with his deft handling the kriti
Ramaraj Ref ; www.karnatik.com/c3502.shtml
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