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mnsriram
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Post by mnsriram »

Would appreciate if anyone can post a brief sketch of dhanyAsi.

Thanks,
srIrAm

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Post by mnsriram »

Thanks meena. I have seen this but with my basic knowledge in CM, I can understand this better only when I listen to the arOhana/avarOhana and maybe a brief alapana.

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Post by mnsriram »

Does anyone have any of the following compositions in dhanyAsi?

gOpAla lOla - swarajati - ponniAh piLLai

E maguva - pada varnam - mysOre sadAsiva rao

Thanks,
Sriram

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Post by mnsriram »

Here is one of my favorites rendered by the composer himself

nI daya lEda - dhanyAsi - R. vENugOpal

http://file.uploadr.com/75ff

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Post by Vocalist »

E Maguva is rendered by T.P.Vaidyanathan
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/jqf ... As1NMvHdW/

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Thanks Vocalist.

Do you have the notation/sahityam of this pada varnam?

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Post by mnsriram »

The sAhityam of this composition as provided by Sri Lakshman and Sri DRS with a couple of minor changes based on my listening.

nI dayalEdani rAgA: dhanyAsi. rUpaka tALA.

P: nI dayalEdani rAma nEnevaritO moraliDudu

A: shrIdhara sukumAra vara gangAdhara sati sOdara
nIdu padAbjamu nammiti nIku parAkElanayyA

C: mArakOTi lAvaNyamukhAravinda shrI mukunda
vIra nilAkAra suguNa dhIra ghana gambhIra
shrI raghuvara jAnaki manOramaNa kamalacaraNa
vErevaru nI samAnamu vEdamUlAdhAra shIla

(madhyamakAla)
nIraja sama lOcana mrdu vacana niravadhisukhaprada padayugamulanu gatiyani nammina nAtO

This is also available here
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=275

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Post by Lakshman »

I found out something interesting. E maguva is in the book "The Tanjavur Quartette" and is credited to Chinniah.
In "Karnatic Music", book iii by P.Sambamurti, the same song is credited to Mysore Sadashiva Rao.
I have the notation for it if anyone is interested.
Here is the text of E maguva:

E maguva (pada varNa). rAgA: dhanyAsi. Adi tALA.

P: E maguva bOdhincerA nIkendu kinta mODi jEsEvu nI
A: shyAma rAja bhUpAla tanaya sarasa shrI krSNarAjEndra
(muktAyi svara)
nI manasu kanukoNTini nijamuga niluvani mOhamu telisera tereda
durina paluku ceviki hitavugavini nanu bAyaga nyAyamani Eyarcitivo
C: Orva vashamA I tamaka
1: cAla namminAnurA I tamaka
2: inta nA manasu telisi neramenca mEragAdu dhIra nI prEmamuga
nE baDali vEDukoni mrokkina juDavura IvELa
3: I calamiTula nE tagunA apala lapai nEla sarasuDa
aura saipa gAyE dAri nE gAna nI dAna nAyAna
mOvAni kaugiTanu nannadimi kOri kalara bhUpAla rati
kUDi sari saraigA penugumi mari madi dArinadi nA sAmi

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Post by mnsriram »

Thank you Sri Lakshman

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Post by rshankar »

Lji,
I am sure Kiran, or Sarma (rigapada) will corect me, but from my rudimentary knowledge of spoken telugu, shouldn't this 'nIkendu kinta ' be 'nIku enduku inta' or nIkenduku inta' or 'nIkendukinta' as one word?
Ravi

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Post by kiransurya »

Sankar!!!
If we go by rules we have to actually say 'nIku enduku inta"
However, we all being what we are, mix them together. Its actually accpeted in normal day to day usage..

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Post by mnsriram »

You are right Shankar. Not going with how it has been rendered, from a sAhityam perspective it should read as "nIkendukinta" or "nIku enduku inta" or "nIkuenduku inta".

"nIkendu+kinta" is incorrect.

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Post by raviraj »

Another related/close ragam is Ghanta. Request to Coolkarni/others. Can you please post the rendition of Shri Mangalambikam by Muthuswami Dikshithar. Would be grateful!

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Thanks coolkarni..

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Post by inconsequential »

srI mnsrIrAm,

there is a supreme rendition of syAma sundarAnga by srI mdr, here...

http://www.surasa.net/music/karnatak/co ... 1978_songs

another wonderful dhanyAsi would be srI dkj's rendition of srI syAmA sAstri's mIna lOcana brOva - with srI krm's mrdangam, it is simply a divine treat :-)

he has also rendered dEva dEvam bhajE divya prabhAvam of srI annamAcAryA's in dhanyAsi - the popular version (smt MSS's) is in hindOLam.

regards

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Post by raviraj »

Coolkarniji,

The clip that you have posted is that the Dikshithar's Dhanyasi krithi "Mangaladevataya". Thanks for the same.

Just to clarify I had requested to post the Ghanta krithi of Dikshithar "Shri Mangalambikam". Would be grateful if you can please post it.

TIA

coolkarni

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raviraj
sorry to disappoint you-Ghanta - I dont have that rendering :oops: :oops:

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Post by avichinnu »

Hi,
KVN presented a delightful dhanyasi ie.,"Dhyaname.."in one of the concerts in ARALIKATTE RAMAMANDIRA in Mysore in 1967 with LALGUDI AND rAGHU.It was available in www.narada.org long ago.
avi

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http://www.sendspace.com/file/wyfktk

somu-lalgudi-??--sangeetha gnanamu

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Post by laxmiv »

mnsriram,

could you please provide the link for the dhanyasi composition - nI daya lEda of Shri. R. vENugOpal ?
Also, any chance to get the notation for this krithi?

Thanks,
Laxmi Vidyasagar

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Post by Lakshman »

It is here (you need to register to access):
http://sangeethapriya.org/Downloads/mss ... anyasi.mp3

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Lakshman,

Thanks for the link.

laxmi

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Post by raga_tala »

Dear Lakshmanji, could you mail me the notation for this danyasi pada varnam to karthik.vbala@gmail.com? Thank you very much sir

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The Thyagaraja kruthi ' rendered by D.K.Pattammal given as 78 rpm record, is needed by me.
The site mentioned here gives mp3 of the kruthi rendered by many musicians.
May be useful.
http://free-mp3-streaming.online/downlo ... i-chembai/
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lrics by Sri.Lakshman Ragde here -> http://www.karnatik.com/c2809.shtml
another nice blog -> http://lyrical-thyagaraja.blogspot.in/2 ... anamu.html
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Sri.Varsh ji is requested to help me locate the DKP version of old

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Post by varsha »

http://www.mediafire.com/file/dpz5swfb5 ... Kumari.mp3
my books show as shyamalakumari . but the tag says dkp .so there we are .over to experts

only other 78 rpm sample
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yjro6aijj ... Pillai.mp3

my favourite
https://archive.org/details/SangItaGnAn ... iTyAgarAja

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varsha ji-> Thank you.I will consult friends and confirm. Incidentally, how is it that Thyagaraja Vaibavam site does not mention this wonderful song? oversight? Is not the site , the creation of Sri.v.govindhan?

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Post by Lakshman »

Varsha wrote: http://www.mediafire.com/file/dpz5swfb5 ... Kumari.mp3
my books show as shyamalakumari . but the tag says dkp .so there we are .over to experts
This rendition is definitely not by DKP.

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Post by Lakshman »

The song sangIta jnAnamu is available at Tyagaraja vaibhavam website.

http://thyagaraja-vaibhavam.blogspot.ca ... -raga.html

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Lakshman wrote:The song sangIta jnAnamu is available at Tyagaraja vaibhavam website.

http://thyagaraja-vaibhavam.blogspot.ca ... -raga.html
Lakshman ji, #32-> Thank you very much. .....
#33 -> and for clarifying about the link on the song as
http://www.mediafire.com/file/dpz5swfb5
NOT by DKP
Best Regards.

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And now dhanyAsi's time has come to be revived....

First up, I'm going to start with an in-depth article from Carnatica's CAC Newsletter, by proper experts - http://carnatica.in/newsletter/dhanyasinewsletter.htm

dhanyAsi is a very old rAgA, mentioned in ancient texts and far older than the mElakarta system itself (though some of these references may refer to shuddha dhanyAsi). It is far older than present day tODi, and is known to have existed in its present form 120 years before Venkatamakhin. And that makes it one of the few that survives almost as it is till this day.

Aro : S G2 M1 P N2 S
Avaro : S N2 D1 P M1 G2 R1 S

While dhanyAsi shares its notes with tODi, it has a distinct character of its own, often used for softer and more emotional phrasing with even more swinging range available on the G2 and N2 thanks to the pentatonic arOhanam. It's a delight for the nagaswaram as tODi is as well. It can give musicians a field day for brighas as well as moving moments - and can be sung in all ranges of speeds across the full range. It can touch you with its essence in a matter of seconds at one end and can be sung very elaborately (for hours in fact according to anecdotes) as well.

The unique character of this rAgA is essentially because of the gamakas possible with it - it is one of the heaviest ragas out there. It is classified as a rakti rAgA and truly has some unparalleled rakti to its credit. The N2 and G2 can also be sung plain and this gives contrasting shades of flavor for that "Aha" effect. Predominantly it is used to express devotion and pathos and absorbing moods, but is also capable of grandeur. But if dhanyAsi has touched you, it can truly squeeze a tear out of even the most stoic listener.

dhanyAsi also lends itself beautifully to rAgamAlikAs.

The avarohanam need not be as linear as it looks, the N2 and M1 can be skipped and phrases like NS-DP, and GMP-G,RS (the D1 and G2 start their slide from the N2 and M1) - this is a distinct phrase characteristic of this rAgA. S-M is also equally possible, as is S-P and even S-N on the ascent, a characteristic common to the pentatonic ragas, but the handling of S-M has an unique effect in dhanyAsi.

Being a rAgA this old and so well known, virtually every single composer has composed in it, so the repertoire out there is vast. It has been used for devarnamas, sankeertanams and bhajans and also for big heavyweight kritis and varnams. As a small example, it is one of the few ragas covered by Purandaradasa, Bhadrachala Ramadas, Muttu Thandavar, all 3 of the Holy Trinity, OVK, Subbaraya Shastri to Mutiah Bhagavatar, Koteeswara Iyer, Swati Tirunal, Papanasam Sivan and even by Pattabhiramayya. That's just a sample.

I am going to start the music flowing from yet another unusual spot on my radar. From MS Amma's excerpt of dhanyAsi in "manam kuLira" from Sakunthalai (1939) : https://youtu.be/O_Eg4h4OXiQ?t=167 - kind of all you need to know about dhanyAsi in 90 sec.

And speaking of rAgamAlika's, dhanyAsi leaves its stamp firmly in bhAvayAmi raghurAmam of Swati Tirunal (this version tuned to rAgamAlika by SSI) : https://youtu.be/oRXGs3Y0ZXQ?t=214

An absolute masterpiece of a dhanyAsi by MDR (IMHO one of the greatest rakti singers of all time) with LGJ here. The kriti is shyAma sundarAnga of Thyagaraja : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP5x6leAiB8

No mention of Thyagaraja can go without "sangeetha gnyAnamu" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBRX6O6Q4oU - MDR again

nee chittamu is another Thyagaraja special : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW6CVXooBhY - Voleti Venkateswarulu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_pGw0V0w7M - LGJ

GNB is known to have rendered dhanyAsi elaborately in his earlier days, but to our loss, only this magnificent excerpt from a shlOka survives : https://youtu.be/AKcgQvLmV20?t=618
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The Dhannamal school also had a speciality for dhanyAsi - here's talachinavAru of Subbaraya Shastri by T Brinda - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqZ4cDYYto8

And of course, Shyama Sastri's kriti meenalochana brOva - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmW0TWlx4-0

Dikshitar also has a few to his credit, but not many know of his compositions as well as Thyagaraja or Shyama Sastri - paradEvatA brhatkucAmbA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD3EjDVzGnA (TSK)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zge3HlPx7so (Nedunuri)

mAyuranAtham - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ZeyP_TH3k (DKP)

And speaking of sankeertanams - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxV6a1Rm_2E (BMK)
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I wonder why we don't see RTPs in it more often : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTq3SIBP5uw

And here's a surprise version of Annamacharya's dEva dEvam bhajE set to dhanyAsi - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNrO1V6mw_E (Note : Annamacharya's original music is long extinct)

I have to stop with this one, I have broken my own rules (partially because I realize I will only be able to revisit a rAgA after a long time) and spammed enough already - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F5Odj9pOjg - Oh yes, even Spencer Venugopal has composed in it.

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@23-> SrinathK wrote:
I am going to start the music flowing from yet another unusual spot on my radar. From MS Amma's excerpt of dhanyAsi in "manam kuLira" from Sakunthalai (1939)
: https://youtu.be/O_Eg4h4OXiQ?t=167 - kind of all you need to know about dhanyAsi in 90 sec.
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Very often, even just a minute, is enough for mrs.mss to bring out the essence of a ragam.
truly said.
the song has absolutely wonderful lyrics..
மனம் குளிர ,உள்ளம் குளிர ,இளம் காற்றில் அசைந்து
மணம் கமழும் மலர்களும் தீங்கனிகளுமே தந்தீர் !
தினம் இன்ப நிழல் தந்தீர் !
அருமை மிகு தருக்காள் !செழும் செடிகாள் !மலர்க கொடிகாள் !
?????????????????
இனம்பிரியா இசைக்குயிலே !இளம் தோகை மயிலே !
இன்சுவைப் பால் எனக்களித்து ,வளர்த்த செல்வ பசுககாள்!
கனவிலும் எந்தனைப் பிரியா மான்கன்றே !
இனிமேல் கண்டு மகிழ்ந்து
உங்களுடன் கழித்திடும் நாள் என்றோ!
அந்நாள் என்றோ?

However, I wonder if it is dhanyasi. To me it sounds more like poorvikalyani.
I may be wrong.

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It was in 3 ragas pantuvarALi, mOhanam and the third one was dhanyAsi.

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IS THIS SONG BY N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM, in dhanyasi ragam? it is froma very early film 'gangavathaar' by ncv sometime in 1942.
'kalaivaaNi aruL purivay'
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju1AQcSXg0g
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@27-> a veteran relative, aged 82, says, there was no ragamalika in sakunthalai film.
Each of the songs my Smt.MS in that film was associated with a mood, some happy, some sad and some exhilerating in nature's bounty.
1) aanandham en solvene - sindhubairavi
2) sukumaaraa-behag
3) enthan idathu thoLum- karaharapriya
4) pannedumnaLay- naadhanaamakriyaa
5) manam kuthoookalippathum eno -?
6) engum Nirai naadhabrammam- navroj
7) manam kulira- (?)
i submit that it is not likey to bea ragamalika and that it is not likely to have included ragams like mohanam and panthuvaraaLi, which do not sync with the mod of the lyrics.
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going by the notes , dhanyaasi may have the same notes as todi but no two ragams can be so different that any listener can mistake one for the other.
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you are the specialist but it is always a tricky thing to ascertain the ragam of old classical film songs.

sri C.Rama can perhaps throw more light..

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RSR, As already stated by Srinath, the song Manam kulira is a virutham in three ragas- Panthuvarali, Mohanam and Dhanyasi. It starts from Kanavilum endanai piriya....

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RSR wrote: 01 Jul 2019, 13:23 IS THIS SONG BY N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM, in dhanyasi ragam? it is froma very early film 'gangavathaar' by ncv sometime in 1942.
'kalaivaaNi aruL purivay'
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju1AQcSXg0g
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Yes. It is also Dhanyasi.

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CRama wrote: 01 Jul 2019, 14:42
RSR wrote: 01 Jul 2019, 13:23 IS THIS SONG BY N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM, in dhanyasi ragam? it is froma very early film 'gangavathaar' by ncv sometime in 1942.
'kalaivaaNi aruL purivay'
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju1AQcSXg0g
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Yes. It is also Dhanyasi.
Respected Sir,
Thank you very much for the clarification. of ragam of ncv song.
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As for the Sakunthalai song, I remember the opening ( PanthuvaraaLi) as srinath has clarified( II had mistaken it for poorvikalyaNi). The post may then be edited to say that the song ( viruttham) is a ragamalika and the third stanza is in dhanyaasi.
to avoid confusion.
Best Regards.

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