What's the raga? Again
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http://sunson.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/ ... c-music-1/
Note - NO games (like the TKR sample) in this one - Also, not really meant to be a quiz. I just like "rare treats" of a special kind like this one, and thought I would share it. And in this case, the guessing game made sense. Note that the answer is also right there on the blog - albeit (hopefully!) "hidden".
Again, if possible comment on the blog.
Arun
Note - NO games (like the TKR sample) in this one - Also, not really meant to be a quiz. I just like "rare treats" of a special kind like this one, and thought I would share it. And in this case, the guessing game made sense. Note that the answer is also right there on the blog - albeit (hopefully!) "hidden".
Again, if possible comment on the blog.
Arun
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Arun, good one. You should have chopped off the violin part at the end. That made it much easier for me to identify the raga! Not sure about the artiste though.
Btw, a small request: can you change the titles of your "Whats the raga" threads to "What's the raga" please! It's driving me crazy reading the repeated (mis)use of Whats.
Many thanks.
Btw, a small request: can you change the titles of your "Whats the raga" threads to "What's the raga" please! It's driving me crazy reading the repeated (mis)use of Whats.
Many thanks.
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Are you sure that this little phrase belongs to absolutely no other raga? It seems cut even before the second swara is finished properly. I don't even get time to hear the shruti properly.
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Arun, I got a lot of feel of that 'close' sampoorna raga and also enough indications that it is NOT that raga. After the "reveal", I did not feel too bad since though I know the song in that raga I do not have a good conception of that raga but I am glad I was in the ball park. One downer about my own perception is I got the feel of another raga which has the highly oscillating N in 'P N S' but turned out it was an oscillating 'P D S' with possibly N thrown in around that prayoga...
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For the first ~10 seconds I was thinking pUrNashaDjam although identifying it as one of the Alathur bros wasn't an issue. He kept oscillating the gAndhAram as in sa ri ma ga(ma ga ma...) which was kinda confusing. The violinist hasn't done this in his solo and even while following the artiste, he's been "reluctant" to treat it that way. I was in fact wondering if this is allowed because I've heard other AlApanas of _________ and have never found the ga-based gamaka.
Once the ascent to shaDjam and thereabouts was achieved, I could ascertain _________. Personally I felt the violinist's version was a better and more lucid portrayal of the rAga despite being shorter.
All of these are based on what lil I know... Sorry if there are any errors...
Once the ascent to shaDjam and thereabouts was achieved, I could ascertain _________. Personally I felt the violinist's version was a better and more lucid portrayal of the rAga despite being shorter.
All of these are based on what lil I know... Sorry if there are any errors...
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I have no idea what is kosher or not kosher in this raga since I have not heard - but when I heard it the first time, I was able to get it (but mainly based on one phrase where it mirrors the song). Can you please post audio of other alapanas?
Srikant - (i guess the cat is out of the bag) - I shall make arrangements for a download - perhaps a download link as well. (Updated: I have added a download link)
Thanks
Arun
Srikant - (i guess the cat is out of the bag) - I shall make arrangements for a download - perhaps a download link as well. (Updated: I have added a download link)
Thanks
Arun
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I know this song, but I'm not so familiar with the raga itself. The first part sounded familiar in parts but almost vivadi-esque in others and I was quite confused until 2:00+. The violinist (TNK?) played a very concise and definitive sketch. Here's an illuminating alapanai in sAlagabhairavi by SSI and TNK (notice the violinist uses the same types of ascending and descending patterns as he does in this alapanai): http://www.sendspace.com/file/luwwuc
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bilahari - Thanks. I am not well versed to compare the two although to me SSI's seemed a lot more khaharapriyaesque). Judging by the stature of all musicians involved I would be less willing to deem an Alathur rendition as "less authentic" - particularly if I am right that this is Alathur Subramanya Iyer (generally he handled the more subtle ragas, while Srinivasa Iyer's powerful voice was apt for the powerful bhairavi's, kambhoi etc.). But then I am certainly a biased Alathur fan
r-t : Its actually very very simple. Simple make the text the same or very close to the background. This would make them unreadable by default (although users can ask browsers to ignore colors specific by pages - but that is rare). When you select, the computer changes the background and foreground to a different set - and that is usually configured to be readable.
Arun
r-t : Its actually very very simple. Simple make the text the same or very close to the background. This would make them unreadable by default (although users can ask browsers to ignore colors specific by pages - but that is rare). When you select, the computer changes the background and foreground to a different set - and that is usually configured to be readable.
Arun
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I'm so sorry, it's been recorded on a cassette n I haven't digitized it...arunk wrote:Can you please post audio of other alapanas?
I'm sorry again. I can't believe I gave it away in my absorption with posting. I realised only after reading this, abt being a 'spoiler'. For what it's worth, I've edited itarunk wrote: Srikant - (i guess the cat is out of the bag)
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Other way round. Alathoor Shivasubramania Iyer had the more powerful and dominating voice while Srinivasa Iyer had a feebler voice but arguably a more nuanced approach to music. All in all excellent music.arunk wrote:(generally he handled the more subtle ragas, while Srinivasa Iyer's powerful voice was apt for the powerful bhairavi's, kambhoi etc.)
Apart from voice, there's also personalty issues. I suspect Shivasubramania Iyer was the more flamboyant and readily expressive. He was the younger of the 2, being born in 1916 to Srinivasa Iyer's 1908. When the MA conferred Shivasubramania Iyer with the SK title in 1964, he protested in characteristic fashion saying that either Srinivasa Iyer should be given the SK first or both of them should get it. A compromise was worked out wherein the MA promised to confer it on Srinivasa Iyer the very next year. And they did.
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thanks uday. I got them mixed up amongst other things. I did mean Alathur Srinivasa Iyer here and I had it right on the blog (btw am I right that it is him here? I am not very sure)
Srikant - no it was which of the duo sang this alapana
Arun
Srikant - no it was which of the duo sang this alapana
Arun
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