what is this raga
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There is a song "ennai konja konja konja konja vaa maziyae" in movie Aathi.
Can Anyone tell which raga it is. The song can be heard here , link below, and ignore the first
21 sec of the song. I guess the song is pure carnatic and can be attributed to a raga.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJjUk5X5UM
Can Anyone tell which raga it is. The song can be heard here , link below, and ignore the first
21 sec of the song. I guess the song is pure carnatic and can be attributed to a raga.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJjUk5X5UM
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I am not used to listening to today's film music except when I see them on the forum. To me, it's like those children's picture puzzles where you find the hidden objects-- trying to distinctly see a rAgam in a movie song!
After that hurried hearing, I heard it again (the lyrics kept interrupting!)
This time, I distinctly heard kanaDa, durbAri kAnaDa. Yet, listen to the background (instrumental) bits--thay still sound like mEgh malhar to me). Will find kApi if I hear it again, perhaps. Hear no jOnpuri either.
After that hurried hearing, I heard it again (the lyrics kept interrupting!)
This time, I distinctly heard kanaDa, durbAri kAnaDa. Yet, listen to the background (instrumental) bits--thay still sound like mEgh malhar to me). Will find kApi if I hear it again, perhaps. Hear no jOnpuri either.
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VK,
Do we still have that RTP in miyAn ki malhAr that Suryaprakash sang?
In film songs (I only know the oldies!), it reminded me of part of a song. Is it from jhanak jhanak pAyal bAjE? a rAgamAlikA: rutu basant Ayi--and the caraNam goes like this; Ayi hai ghaTA! umaD gumaD.
Ravi might zero in on it.
Yes, it's like looking at a children's puzzle with hidden objects, finding rAgams in a film song.
Do we still have that RTP in miyAn ki malhAr that Suryaprakash sang?
In film songs (I only know the oldies!), it reminded me of part of a song. Is it from jhanak jhanak pAyal bAjE? a rAgamAlikA: rutu basant Ayi--and the caraNam goes like this; Ayi hai ghaTA! umaD gumaD.
Ravi might zero in on it.
Yes, it's like looking at a children's puzzle with hidden objects, finding rAgams in a film song.
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Arasi: Great memory recall.. Based on what you wrote I could track down the songs...
Here is rutu basant Ayi: http://ww.smashits.com/music/oldies/pla ... pavan.html
( beware, smashhits can put up some pop-up advertisements )
While I was at it, I happened to hear the title song Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baje: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd6U0WfciOE
This also sounds to be in the same complex. Some website refers to the raga for this as Adana.
Vasant Desai seemed to have had a special fascination for that groups of ragas.
To my untrained ears, many ragas in that complex sound similar, some bordering on darbari kanada/kanada as others have opined.
Here is rutu basant Ayi: http://ww.smashits.com/music/oldies/pla ... pavan.html
( beware, smashhits can put up some pop-up advertisements )
While I was at it, I happened to hear the title song Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baje: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd6U0WfciOE
This also sounds to be in the same complex. Some website refers to the raga for this as Adana.
Vasant Desai seemed to have had a special fascination for that groups of ragas.
To my untrained ears, many ragas in that complex sound similar, some bordering on darbari kanada/kanada as others have opined.
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Thanks, VK for the search! I got to hear some of my old favorites after a long time! They are easier than the modern ones for us to get a sense of the rAgam. Nowadays, it's mishr this, mishr that rAgams that we glimpse in them. That pahADi bit that Lata sings in rut basant was my first experience of listening to the rAgam, and I just loved it. Still do. I saw the movie four times! Vasant Desai's music at its best. Shantaram's rainbow hued classic. Gopikrishna's dancing, Sandhya's impressive debut, first full length technicolor film? CML to the rescue.
The other song: nain se nain nahin milAo was bhAgEsri then to me. I did not know rAgESri then. Now I wonder.
A propos, does this thread beong here or in the Light Music Section?
Oh, someone I know who is an expert, thinks it is miyAn ki malhAr.
The other song: nain se nain nahin milAo was bhAgEsri then to me. I did not know rAgESri then. Now I wonder.
A propos, does this thread beong here or in the Light Music Section?
Oh, someone I know who is an expert, thinks it is miyAn ki malhAr.
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Arasi: nain so nain nAhIn milAye: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JrperVNumg (I am sure you got to see it from the clip of the title song).
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>By the way, you kind of belong there, in the experts camp
You sure jest Arasi Mine is intuition based as well, no swara id skills. This 'expert' sometimes can not latch on to the most common raga while it is staring right at me. In fact, once it was kAnaDa of all the ragas!! Quite shameful but I have learned to accept it
You sure jest Arasi Mine is intuition based as well, no swara id skills. This 'expert' sometimes can not latch on to the most common raga while it is staring right at me. In fact, once it was kAnaDa of all the ragas!! Quite shameful but I have learned to accept it
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Nain - so -nain--- Bageshree, surely? assuming that the opening note is 'ma'- does it not go:
G; G M,M G R M G R S
nain so nain na hi mi la a o
N S R G R S
De kha ta soo ra ta
M D N D (md) M;; rgmdmg
aa wa ta laaj - saiin yaa
etc??? Sorry for the inaccurate notation--
Unless the opening note is something else?
G; G M,M G R M G R S
nain so nain na hi mi la a o
N S R G R S
De kha ta soo ra ta
M D N D (md) M;; rgmdmg
aa wa ta laaj - saiin yaa
etc??? Sorry for the inaccurate notation--
Unless the opening note is something else?
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I was attracted to the 'tha tha ku tha tha ku' like constant beat of the film song in the above youtube link.. To my own delight, and probably unsurprisingly, I found that I can play to that kind of a beat extemporaneously with much more ease. That is my difficulty with the more classical rhythm.
I took a sample of the back beat, created a loop and played some lighter music over it. It is based on a raga, though not a common one. I am enclosing two links.
These are single shot recordings created on the fly. There are imperfections with such attempts, so please bear with me.
http://www.esnips.com/doc/87e7bf65-f391 ... uteEdited2 ( short one, the beat is fainter )
http://www.esnips.com/doc/f3d93f3a-96cc ... FullFlute2 ( longer one, the beat more to the front, different melodic line )
Let me know if you like it. You can try to guess the raga.
I took a sample of the back beat, created a loop and played some lighter music over it. It is based on a raga, though not a common one. I am enclosing two links.
These are single shot recordings created on the fly. There are imperfections with such attempts, so please bear with me.
http://www.esnips.com/doc/87e7bf65-f391 ... uteEdited2 ( short one, the beat is fainter )
http://www.esnips.com/doc/f3d93f3a-96cc ... FullFlute2 ( longer one, the beat more to the front, different melodic line )
Let me know if you like it. You can try to guess the raga.
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Thanks CML. Notes are not Sankarabharanam ones. May be you are latching on to a different sruthi. This is in C# ( 1 .5 kattai )cmlover wrote:Nice rhythm VK! Good for a tango dance. Notes are Sankarabharanam.
Is it kOkiladhvani
Hint on the raga: There is only one composition in this raga and that is not by the trinity.
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Aha!!! I have 2 more companions in sluggish hearing. In my case it was my wife who compelled me to go for a hearing aid,which I did. She used to be irritated whenever I asked her to repeat what she was telling her neighbour. She used to say' get a hearing aid if you are interested in vambu' i used to say 'so you admit that you are only talking vambu!!
Though I have drifted hundreds of miles away from the main subject,just joking gobilalitha
Though I have drifted hundreds of miles away from the main subject,just joking gobilalitha
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Dayavathi
S R2 G2 P N2 S
S N2 P M1 G2 S
The only composition I know of in this raga is by N. S. Ramachandran, a beautiful thillana which MLV has sung.
Here is the previous discussion on dayavathi ( http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php? ... avati.html )
S R2 G2 P N2 S
S N2 P M1 G2 S
The only composition I know of in this raga is by N. S. Ramachandran, a beautiful thillana which MLV has sung.
Here is the previous discussion on dayavathi ( http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php? ... avati.html )
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Just heard your playing (part of it? I had problems even now).
The rhythm really got you and you rock! Sounds folksy too, to me. I loved the occasional punches you give to the tune--the final pa (pow!) rounds it all up.
From an original vasanthakOkladhwani to a never heard rAgam based composition. CML is right, you are making strides...
The rhythm really got you and you rock! Sounds folksy too, to me. I loved the occasional punches you give to the tune--the final pa (pow!) rounds it all up.
From an original vasanthakOkladhwani to a never heard rAgam based composition. CML is right, you are making strides...
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Of course, bhAgESri, but I wondered if it could be rAgESri!
There have been several , including VK's and I got mixed up! Sorry So, my guess about the malhAr family was not way off the mark.
There have been several , including VK's and I got mixed up! Sorry So, my guess about the malhAr family was not way off the mark.
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I just found this info from Abhijit Bhaduri's site:
There are just a handful of hindi film songs based on Raga Malgunji. Nain So Nain Naahi Milaao from the film Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baje is one of them.
Malgunji is a complex Raga of the Khamaj Thaat. John Campana describes Malgunji as having elements of Rageshri, Bageshri and a few subtle touches of Jaijaiwanti. It is popularly described as being a combination of Raga Rageshri (in the ascent) and Raga Bageshri ( in the descent). If traditionally Bageshri evokes feelings of separation from the lover, and Rageshri represents reunion, Malgunji depicts the initial realization of the reunion.
So that's another new raga we've learnt.
Lovely raga! Now someone needs to play it at a rasikas' gathering!
And Arasi should compose something in it!
There are just a handful of hindi film songs based on Raga Malgunji. Nain So Nain Naahi Milaao from the film Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baje is one of them.
Malgunji is a complex Raga of the Khamaj Thaat. John Campana describes Malgunji as having elements of Rageshri, Bageshri and a few subtle touches of Jaijaiwanti. It is popularly described as being a combination of Raga Rageshri (in the ascent) and Raga Bageshri ( in the descent). If traditionally Bageshri evokes feelings of separation from the lover, and Rageshri represents reunion, Malgunji depicts the initial realization of the reunion.
So that's another new raga we've learnt.
Lovely raga! Now someone needs to play it at a rasikas' gathering!
And Arasi should compose something in it!
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A fine example of mian ki malhar is a Surdas bhajan by Pandit Jasraj, shyAm binA, available at musicindiaonline.com
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/jJX ... As1NMvHdW/
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/jJX ... As1NMvHdW/
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I looked up Malagunji in B Subba Rao's Raganidhi. An unbelievably detailed description, with swaras used in pakads (?pidippu in our parlance), and examples of chalans (sancharams). He points out that this is a Audava-Sampoorna raga (and a possible shadava-sampoorna variety), but does not mention the Rageshree angle at all, while saying it is sung with a bageshree anga. He quotes two compositions in Malagunji, "Baname charavata Gaiyya" in Ek Tal and "Muraliki DhunaSuni" in Teental. (does any rasika have a rendition by anyone?) He adds that Madhuradhwani, Hamsakankini and Patamanjari - both of Hindustani style - resemble Malagunji. I have heard Patamanjari (which is similar to carnatik Phalamanjari), but can't remember when or where! The other two are totally unknown to me. Interestingly, he says Natakurinji has shades of Malagunji, although only antara gandharam is used in Natakurinji, while Komal ga is used in Malagunji.