Kishori Amonkar

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jayaram
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Post by jayaram »

http://www.chembur.com/anecdotes/kishori.htm
Nice article on the maestro.

a few lovely excerpts:

" I love to be a child. I know that I am foolish and obstinate as a child. But this state is very precious for me."

"People say that I look beautiful when I sing. Today I seem to have got an answer. When I sing, I want everything to be beautiful - my notes, my rhythm and myself too. My desire is so intense that on the stage you have beauty personified, not Kishori looking beautiful."

She is totally convinced that in order to depict the " true and living raga " in future, one must progress towards the past - wherein lies knowledge that is eternal and Absolute.

knandago2001
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Post by knandago2001 »

Kishori ji has also sung for the film “geet gaaya pattharon ne!â€

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

http://www.sendspace.com/file/gobtsz

baabul moraa naihar chhutoe jaaye
in a different setting.

and a lovely bhajan.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/pzli2g
Everytime I hear this I feel like dropping everything walk away from it all .
Ah ! Some Pied Piper .This Kishori.

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

Nandagopal
Talk of poignancy and an experience comes to mind.

One evening I was returning from a Customer Visit in Hubli.As the auto made its way through small Gallis -change in route caused due to some traffic diversion- I noticed a Blackboard in front of a very small and humble house( the kinds of which are so close to the road that you can see the insides) which read
"Mansoor remembrance day".
Since I had to catch the 6 O clock train to my town Harihar which was another 3 hours away, I did not feel like taking the risk of checking it out.
After all it was such a humble place.
Probably a junior , local artist would have been called , I thought.
As I reached home , I was aghast to find that My Mama had left for Hubli at roughly the same time since he had received an alert :
It was Kishori who was singing at that Home.
And My lucky Mama was part of a 60 member audience, sitting throughout the night.In that cramped little Hall, in that small Galli.

Lucky You !!

Without doubt , one of the most beautiful sights on stage.
Come saturday I will upload a small video of hers from DD Trivandrum after I return from Coimbatore.

coolkarni

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jayaram
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Post by jayaram »

Lovely reminiscences, K-ji and Nanda-ji...

Here's a lovely picture of this musical genius:

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thanjavur

Post by thanjavur »

Sangeethapriya (Kishori) links (contribution - Raju Asokan)

BMK-Kishori - Pune
1. Nadathanumanisam-Siddharanjani
2. Yaman
3. Bhajan
4. Bhairavi
5. Malkauns

Kishori-Malkauns - ITC Calcutta - 1981
1. Malkauns

Kishori Amonkar, Shamal Bose (Tabla) - Tansen Sangeet Sammelan,Calcutta,1982
1. Kafi Kanada
2. Miyan ki Malhar

Kishori - Hamsadhwani
1. Hamsadhwani
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From SAWF - Short Takes: Bageshree (Rajan P. Parrikar)

Kishori Amonkar matches Amir Khan in the depth, range and beauty of her Bageshree

Kishori Amonkar unpublished - Rageshri
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jayaram
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A delectable video clip of Kishori-tai (singing raga Alhaiya Bilawal):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFytQ9qLd1c[/youtube]
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coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

A DD Trivandrum Video , in two parts-Yaman
http://www.sendspace.com/file/m0819q
http://www.sendspace.com/file/901kcp

This is one of my most prized possessions.
The atmosphere is unbelievable.
The intensity , Electric.

asingh8
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Post by asingh8 »

Thanks so much Thanjavur for posting those amazing recordings of Kishoritai...esp love the Malkauns!
I am a complete Kishori fan(atic!) and these were such a treat...
However, when listening to the Kafi Kanada - the voice doesn't sound at all like Tai (different pitch). Was this a problem with the recording by any chance? I hope the recording is not mislabeled.
I have been thinking of using an audio editor to change the pitch back to her natural one...if you want I can upload that for everyone.
Warm Regards,
A.

jayaram
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Post by jayaram »

K-ji, thanks for the videos.
Question for HM aficionados: this Kishori video shows a violinist providing accompaniment. I have attended a few HM concerts, and never seen violin pakkam. Is this a new phenomenon, imported from CM - or has this been a regular feature in HM for long?

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Post by raju54 »

jayaramji
violin accompaniment in HM has been there for a longtime. however, only a few vocalist prefer violin accompaniment. Smt Rajam provided regular violin accompaniment to her guru Pt.Omkarnath Thakur, and MSG has accompanied Pt.Omkarnath too.Sri Parur Sundarm Iyer (MSG's father) had accompanied the senior Paluskar etc. Kala Ramnath often accompanies Pt.Jasraj.

jayaram
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Raju, thank you. Reading thru the article I posted in the Parur thread, I realized he is credited with having introduced the violin to HM.

raju54
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Post by raju54 »

here are some more videos of Smt.Kishori

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kishori

Music
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Post by Music »

Interesting article on her music:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/folio/fo0012/00120100.htm

jayaram
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Music wrote:Interesting article on her music:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/folio/fo0012/00120100.htm
What about the North and South Indian systems of music... is there a meeting point, I ask. "I do not believe in these bifurcations. The sruthis are the same, the ragas are almost the same. I want you to blend it into a whole, you should think of it as a world of notes. We should not put too many words, too many rhythmical acrobatics into our singing. Basically, I think it is high time the instrumentalists change, and get out of this acrobatic syndrome with the percussionists. They can't go on deceiving people. These are just gimmicks."
Wow, those words must stir up a hornet's nest for sure!

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Post by ramanan »

Here is an interview featuring Kishori Amonkar in an episode from the archives of Doordarshan's ``Surabhi'' program

http://rajshri.com/surabhi/nowplaying.a ... type=hindi


arasi
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Post by arasi »

Thank you, Thanjavur. Any Rashid khan?

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arasi
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raju54,
I thank you!

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Rashid Khan (YouTube links)

Raag Gorakh Kalyan (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6QphAKmbmc[/youtube]

Raag Marwa (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ_xrSEJoDc[/youtube]

Raag Kirwani (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZvt02W28w[/youtube]

thanjavur

Post by thanjavur »

Kishori Amonkar (YouTube links)

Drut Yaman (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmFtnGPbAzA[/youtube]

"Rang So Rang Milaaye," - drut khyal composition in Raag Bhimpalasi and Taal Ektaal (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI1mzbtzl4g[/youtube]

Raag Alhaiya Bilawal (YouTube link)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6QphAKmbmc[/youtube]
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narendra43
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coolkarni wrote:A DD Trivandrum Video , in two parts-Yaman
http://www.sendspace.com/file/m0819q
http://www.sendspace.com/file/901kcp

This is one of my most prized possessions.
The atmosphere is unbelievable.
The intensity , Electric.
both links are invalid
kindly quote new link
i sincerely look forwrd

Sangeet Rasik
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jayaram wrote:Interesting article on her music:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/folio/fo0012/00120100.htm
What about the North and South Indian systems of music... is there a meeting point, I ask. "I do not believe in these bifurcations. The sruthis are the same, the ragas are almost the same. I want you to blend it into a whole, you should think of it as a world of notes. We should not put too many words, too many rhythmical acrobatics into our singing.
Starts off with a noble concept of which I am a votary: a pan-Indian bharatiya shastriya sangeet. But Kishori, brilliant though she is, is prone to making random comments in public. Indian music (at least that of the highest quality) is far more than a one-dimensional "world of notes".

For a more thoughtful perspective, I might quote Pt. V.N. Bhatkhande:

"...In my opinion a happy fusion between the two great music systems of the country is most desirable. When it comes on, the Hindustani system will be considerably enriched. Hundreds of beautiful ragas can be reintroduced here into our system...The southern system will again have have an opportunity of adopting our northern graces in the vadi/samvadi rules and thereby of making its music much more interesting...By a study of the works pertaining to the southern system, we can compose songs for the northern musicians in the ragas which are sung there but which have not found a place in the northern system, and thus introduce, at some date, a fusion of the two sister systems of music."

Although Bhatkhande's vision is apparently limited to adaptation of ragas, I think he makes strong points. I don't think changing the structure of a kriti or a varnam or khayal or dhrupad is advisable. I think these compositional forms should remain well-defined, but there should be an underlying integration of theory and raga concepts that are used in creating these various musical forms.

I hope this post does not stir its own "hornet's nest" !!

SR

vijay
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Post by vijay »

OTOH, it is heartening to note such an eminent departure from the norm of North Indian musicians taking digs at Carnatic Music. I certainly would like to see more HM ragas taken up in CM concerts - especially in pallavis.

TNS and Neyveli Santhanagopalan are among those who do this often...Sanjay sang a fine piece in Madhuvanthi (I think) at NGS today - I am sure he is more than capable of presenting it as a Pallavi item...

Maru Behag, Multani, Darbari, Basant, Lalit, Ramkali are among the ragas I would like to hear on the CM platform. Some rasikas may ask - why not listen to these in Hindustani concerts? My response would be - HM does not offer the same kind of rhythmic initricacies as a CM Pallavi...

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The scope that a CM format allows the performers to build swiftly on rAgA delienation, expand their rendering on the weight of a kriti and end it with cascading swarAs is another asset.

Please note that I say 'CM FORMAT allows' all this. I am NOT putting down HM (I adore it as well).

Vijay,
What did Sanjay sing in madhuvanthi? No reviews?
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Arasi, Sanjay sang a Thukkada but with a brief vruttham/alaapana. I caught only about an hour of the concert - Thodi and Kedaragowla were the main items.

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Somak Ghoshal: Critical thinking and writing on contemporary Hindustani classical music should not be entirely guided by standards of purity that are considered to be the legacy of a “lost worldâ€

ragam-talam
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Post by ragam-talam »

a lovely Todi from Kishori-tai:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrja6lXemmY

vallaki
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Post by vallaki »

There is a very good 'Hamsadhwani' in Musicindiaonline.com .

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Sangeet Rasik wrote:
jayaram wrote:Interesting article on her music:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/folio/fo0012/00120100.htm
What about the North and South Indian systems of music... is there a meeting point, I ask. "I do not believe in these bifurcations. The sruthis are the same, the ragas are almost the same. I want you to blend it into a whole, you should think of it as a world of notes. We should not put too many words, too many rhythmical acrobatics into our singing.
Starts off with a noble concept of which I am a votary: a pan-Indian bharatiya shastriya sangeet. But Kishori, brilliant though she is, is prone to making random comments in public. Indian music (at least that of the highest quality) is far more than a one-dimensional "world of notes".

For a more thoughtful perspective, I might quote Pt. V.N. Bhatkhande:

"...In my opinion a happy fusion between the two great music systems of the country is most desirable. When it comes on, the Hindustani system will be considerably enriched. Hundreds of beautiful ragas can be reintroduced here into our system...The southern system will again have have an opportunity of adopting our northern graces in the vadi/samvadi rules and thereby of making its music much more interesting...By a study of the works pertaining to the southern system, we can compose songs for the northern musicians in the ragas which are sung there but which have not found a place in the northern system, and thus introduce, at some date, a fusion of the two sister systems of music."

Although Bhatkhande's vision is apparently limited to adaptation of ragas, I think he makes strong points. I don't think changing the structure of a kriti or a varnam or khayal or dhrupad is advisable. I think these compositional forms should remain well-defined, but there should be an underlying integration of theory and raga concepts that are used in creating these various musical forms.

I hope this post does not stir its own "hornet's nest" !!

SR
Could not agree with you more. Kishoritai has a habit of making rash statements and everybody and his brother shake their head in agreement because of who she is. In one of her Marathi interviews on youtube she says that in music words do not matter it is just swar that matter. So in one fell swoop, she denigrates all the great Marathi saint-poets like Dyneshwar, Tukram, Eknath, Namdev, Janabai, Bahinabai and many others.

To be perfectly honest as good a shastriya sangeet gayika that she is, her compositions are awful. As an example, listen to her Marathi composition Sundar te dhyan with Lata's version (composition by great Marathi composer Shriniwas Khale or listen to her Koi Kahiyo Re Prabhu Awan Ki with the anybody elses (e.g. Shaila Hattangadi). No comparison. Amonkar compositions are lackllustre. Her opinion that words mean nothing and only swars matter is utter nonsense.
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murthyhmg
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Some live concerts of Kishori Amonkar are uploaded to www.sangeethamshare.org/murthy Nos. 231, 248, 257

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