V. V. Sadagopan

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vasanthakokilam
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Post by vasanthakokilam »

I am starting the thread for V.V. Sadagopan as requested by Arasi.

Here are two AIR recordings..

http://rapidshare.de/files/25551617/01..mp3.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/25601370/02..mp3.html - Begada RTP, pallavi
line: 'un darishanam kiDaikkumO naTarAja dayAnidhiyE'. A relaxed 4 kalai pallavi.

meena
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arasi
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Post by arasi »

VK,
Just came across the thread. Thanks a lot. The Tiunelveli concert that I have is of poor quality. You made my day by posting a quality recording! These are from the sixties, seventies?? He was a professor in Delhi University then. What Lakshman had kindly posted were records from the forties. How I wish Coolji would provide us with snippets from AIR and concerts from elsewhere from his golden years (the forties)! After all, he was very much sought after in that time period.

Meena,
Though I had read Sujatha's article--VK had posted it too--the other one was something new to me. I was moved by it. Incidentally, VVS's brother Sunderarajan was a host unto many a stalwart of CM when they went to perform in Thiruananthapuram. He was instrumental in bringing out Swathi Thirunal kritis (SSI's right hand in the effort). His wife Rukmini Sunderarajan was a solid singer in DKP's style.

kiransurya
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Post by kiransurya »

First review posted by meena says "Tirukkural keerthanais" and "kili kanni" , what are they?

arasi
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Post by arasi »

kiransurya,
VVS took several of the couplets of the kuRaL and composed songs around them. I have heard 'kaRka kasaDaRa kaRka, kaTRapin niRka adaRku thaga' as pallavi line in Kharaharapriya.

KaNNi in a kind of verse. (not kanni which means a maiden). KiLikkaNNi has 'kiLiyE' in them as a refrain. Examples: vaLLikkaNavan pErai; Barati's 'nenjil uramuminRi, nErmai thiRamum inRi...
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kiransurya
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Post by kiransurya »

Cheers arasi..

arasi
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Post by arasi »

Coolji,
May I request you for some of VVS's music--from the 40s, if possible? Thanks!

gdg
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Post by gdg »

long time back i've heard among others 'enta veduko' by VVS. it is a masterpiece and still ringing in my ears. if somebody can upload the song among others i will be grateful...
mohan

gb
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Post by gb »

Hi,
May i request recordings of VVS... not able to download the first posting.. if anyone has them can you please repost... thanks in advance

padren68
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Post by padren68 »

Some sample tracks of Sri VVSadagopan

Kannan Mugam - Kamas
Anirai Meikka – Pasuram
Sri Venkatesa – Ragamalika
http://file.uploadr.com/c9ca

Prema Prema - Film Madanakamarajan
http://file.uploadr.com/c9cb

meena
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arasi
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Post by arasi »

What a surprise package! Thanks , padren!

premA, prEmA is in rAgA mOhanA, not bilahari.
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vgvindan
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Post by vgvindan »

I may mention that VVS used to sing for us during navaratri celebrations in the RK Mission Students Home at Athur - near Chengalpattu - (years 1953 - 1956) where I studied. That School has long back been merged with Mylapore Branch.

cmlover
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Post by cmlover »

The song prema is a sheer delight and brings back some golden memories. I wish some of VVS's concerts are also available (sigh!).
Thanks meena for that clipping!

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Post by rshankar »

Padrenji,
THANK YOU...THANK YOU....THANK YOU...
anantakOTi namaskAram!

Lji/Arasi:
Can we please have details of the composers of kaNNam mu(g)kham tOnrudaDi?

arasi
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Post by arasi »

Ah, if memory serves me right, it was the composition of VVS's cousin Ayya of Trivandrum (a parama rasika, by the way). KANNan varak kANEnE is another one of his that I recall.
Of VVS's own compositions, AdAram nIdAn enRaRindEn, aRindu SaraNaDaindEn is my favorite. eNNi eNNi manam and EnenRu kETpAr illayO are the two rAgamAlikAs he composed among other kritis. For his all bhArathi songs concert at Ettayapuram, he tuned thIrthakkaraiyinilE (mentioned in the Hindu article) which to me brings the essence of the sense of the song. ASai mugam maRandu pOccE, SuTTum vizhi, kaNNan mana nilaiyai (which his sis-in-law Rukmini Sundararajan sang on a record) are bhAvA laden music, doing bhArathi justice...
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padren68
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Post by padren68 »

As there seems to be quite a response for this exquiste music, let me u/l a bit more of the little that I have :)
You may have to wait for another 12 hours... for that.

rshankar
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Post by rshankar »

Of Course! teviTTAda tEnamudu...

ammamaha
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Post by ammamaha »

I seem to have trouble with opening the rar file. Would it be possible to convert it to mp3? Thanks

MaheshS
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Post by MaheshS »

ammamaha - RAR are zipped files. You need to extract them. You can get free software to do it. Try www.winrar.com or WinZip does it.

jayaram
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Post by jayaram »

Some sample tracks of Sri VVSadagopan
...
You may have to wait for another 12 hours... for that.
padren68 - what a treat! The ragamalika is super! Can't wait for the rest...

jayaram
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Post by jayaram »

Shri V.V. Sadagopan
Image

cmlover
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Post by cmlover »

Thanks for the picture! In fact he was even more smashing than the way he looks in the picture!

padren68
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Post by padren68 »

Arasi, Ravi, CML ..... Here are some more
Sri Venugopala – Darbar – Kotteswara Iyer
Kanavendamo – Surati – Arunachala Kavi
Rama Bhajana - Rgamalika
Adharam Nee - Karaharapriya
http://file.uploadr.com/ca1d
http://file.uploadr.com/ca1f
http://file.uploadr.com/ca20
http://file.uploadr.com/ca21

Film Music
Ezhai selvan - Venuganam
Vindai Manthar _ Venuganam
http://file.uploadr.com/ca22
http://file.uploadr.com/ca24

vasya10
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Post by vasya10 »

i have noted 3 collections of VVS - a) composition of VVS kartikeya in valaji sung by DKJ. b) parthasarati (madhyamavati) and c) a tiruppugazh.

im not sure if i have noted them correctly. but if anyone's interested, i can upload.

rshankar
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Post by rshankar »

Padrenji,
ONCE again: THANKS! Really appreciate your efforts!

rshankar
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Post by rshankar »

vasya10 wrote:im not sure if i have noted them correctly. but if anyone's interested, i can upload.
iduvum oru kELviyA?:P Of course - please do!

vijay
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Post by vijay »

He looks very much like one of my cousins...

arasi
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Post by arasi »

Please!

arasi
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Post by arasi »

Vijay, and he looks a bit like me, I suppose :)

ksrimech
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Post by ksrimech »

vasya10,
kArtikEya kamalEkSNa sung by Sri DKJ is by SrI v v SrIvatsA (Secretary of MA) and not SrI v v saDagOpan. The caraNa has the word SrIvatsadAsapOSaka.

Also, the pArthasArathi in madhyamAvathy you are talking about must be by pUcchi SrInivAsa ayyangAr. If it is being sung by Sri VVS, we must hear it. :)

Please do upload them here. Thank you.
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padren68
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Post by padren68 »

Parthasarthy nannu - Madhyamavathi - Poochi
http://file.uploadr.com/ca57
http://file.uploadr.com/ca58
Endaveduko - Saraswwathi Manohari - Thyagaraja
http://file.uploadr.com/ca59

cmlover
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Post by cmlover »

That last one is all time best of the 72rpm period! Thanks for the excellent recording!

jayaram
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Post by jayaram »

He looks very much like one of my cousins...
...
Vijay, and he looks a bit like me, I suppose :)
Are you guys related?

jayaram
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Post by jayaram »

padren68 - you have outdone yourself this time! Brilliant stuff.
And thanks a lot.

gb
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Post by gb »

Hey Padren68... that was amazing set of song... esp the suruti.... i always have a certain attraction for that ragam.... i have learnt it... now i know what bhavam that song should be singed with..
thanks again

arasi
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Post by arasi »

gb,
You are right. BhAvam was very much his forte.

jayaram, you are related too! We all have the letter J in our names! Seriously--and you don't believe that I can be serious--I was refering to my relative whom vijay's cousin resembles...

ammamaha
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Post by ammamaha »

Mahesh S

Thank you very much. I will try it.

jayaram
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Post by jayaram »

There's a certain 'ravai' in the singing style of these great masters that's missing in most of the current breed. To me, Manakkal is the lone living link to this almost-extinct style of singing.

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Post by vasya10 »

iduvum oru kELviyA?tongue Of course - please do!
rshankar: i see that its already been uploaded by padren68. The tiruppugazh i was referring to is actually the pasuram (also uploaded).

ksrimech: thanks for the correction.

padren68
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Post by padren68 »

A few more that I have:
01_ Vazhvinil _ Madanakamarajan.mp3
http://file.uploadr.com/caa4
02_ Inre Un Manam _ Madanakamarajan.mp3
http://file.uploadr.com/caa5
04_ Kakaivannat Tokai _ Madanakamarajan.mp3
http://file.uploadr.com/caa6
From the film Venuganam
http://file.uploadr.com/caa7

padren68
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Post by padren68 »

VVS - AIR Recording - One more that I have

1. Nee chittamu - Dhanyasi - Thyagaraja
2. nAdopAsana - Begada - Thyagaraja
3. Muruga Muruga - Saveri - Periyasami Thuran
4. Ragamalika
5. Kanada - Partial

http://file.uploadr.com/caa8

Dont know if VK's link one is the same as above!
I could not check as I could not d/l the file fro rapidshare.

arasi
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Post by arasi »

Padren,
Surprise, surprise! As I downloaded the film songs file, when I got to venugAnam, what do I find? VVS singing to the accompaniment of just mridangam! What do you think he is singing? Three songs of Ambujam Krishna of the ones he tuned for Geetha Mala vol:1! Do you think there are other files which may contain more treasures? Reminds me of the way Cool found Bade Gulam's Gayana Samaja concert under a different label!
The year is 1950? 1951? It was the final version of the songs he had tuned, to be sent away to Madurai to Ambujam Krishna. There were a few sessions of recording on a spool to spool--I remember being there at one of those sessions. It was Madurai Krishnaiyyangar on the mridangam, if I am not mistaken. My! All those songs, if only more would surface!
sadA smarAmi sAkEta rAmam is one of my favorites!

Thanks a bundle padren! I am also singing (pADrEn) now :)
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cmlover
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Post by cmlover »

Didn't know VVS has tuned some of Ambujam Krishna!

padren68
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Post by padren68 »

Arasi:
"Surprise, surprise! As I downloaded the film songs file, when I got to venugAnam, what do I find? VVS singing to the accompaniment of just mridangam! What do you think he is singing?............... Do you think there are other files which may contain more treasures? Reminds me of the way Cool found Bade Gulam's Gayana Samaja concert under a different label!"
Unfortunately not. I have exhausted VVS collection (the little that I had of this rare music). All are single files and the last one was not indexed (had doubts if it was from a film, hence left blank). Thanks for the clarification.
Absolutely sweet voice:)

arasi
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Post by arasi »

CML,
The very first vidwAn to tune the songs of Ambujam Krishna was VVS. Then came the volumes containing SSI's, Musiris, S.Ramanathan's, TNS's and Kedaranathan's tuning. SSI used to say: sadagopan pOLa indappATTugaLukku meTTup pODa muDiyumA? (He was refering to the bhAvA content). Prof Sambamurthy praises VVS's skill in creating the chiTTa swaram for one of the songs in his introduction to the songs.

Lakshman,
I do not have a volume with me here. Could you refer to this in the intro--if you have the first volume with you? I remember his designing the cover of the book as well, and proof reading it meticulously...
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Post by Lakshman »

Prof. P.Sambamurti wrote in the introduction on Oct 12, 1953 (in volume 1):

It is a matter for joy that more and more women composers are making their appearance in the firmament of Karnatic Music. Srimathi Ambujam Krishna has done well in publishing her compositions in notation. This book will enable the Musical public not onlt to become familiar with her creations but also to appreciate their musical worth. The sahitya as well as the music of the compositions flow in a natural manner. They do not suffer from any artificiality in construction. Sri V.V.Sadagopan, one of our brilliant gayakas has assisted the author in editing this book. He has added some commendable citta svaras to a few pieces. The citta svara appended to the piece in begada raga on page 149 is stuuded with gems of svarakshara.

P.Sambamurti
============================
The song is enta bhAgyamu and here is the ciTTasvara:

* gA | ma pa dha ma pa ga ma ri || ga sa ri ni | sa *dha *pa sA sA * ga ||
, ma pa dha | pa nI dha pa ma pa ga || ma ri ga ma | pa dha pa sA* sA * ga || , ma pa dha pa sa* ni ri* sa* ga* ri* ga* || , gA* ma* | , ga* ri* sa* mA pa dha || pa ri* nI | dha pa dha mA pa ga ri || sa sA* , | pA , dha pa pa ma ga || ma ri * ( enta)

arasi
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Post by arasi »

Lakshman,
Thanks :)

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Post by gb »

Hey there is a song on Yamunakalyani tuned by VVS sung be T.M.Krishna on one of his CDs "Ksetra Vaishnava" -- "Jagattinai-Yamunakalyani-Adi" that was an amazing and brilliant way to express the lyrics of Ambujam krishna... the ragam chosen was so apt to bring out the expression of the song...
No wonder VVS is musicians musician

Padren Keep up the good work and thanks you too Lakshman

arasi
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Post by arasi »

Today, World Space Shruti played V. V. Sadagopan's songs by Ambujam Krishna (which were tuned by him). It happens to be his star birthday today.
I hear Shruti is going to air more of his music on his birthday on the 4th of February.

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