New Raga?

[arunk]

Consider n`g here you are ascending; but g does not appear in aro.

(sorry my previous reply was bogus. I think it is pasi mayakkam I have edited it now)

You are looking at this still from the way you used to!

Focus on the transition FROM the swara
(or)
for a transition look at the swara AT THE BEGINNING and NOT the one at the end.


So if you have n'-g, you check whether n' is in the ArOhana since we are ascending FROM ni (or it is the swara at the beginning of the transition). Dont look at the ga.

Arun

[arunk]

darbAr varnam? It is (atleast the way I learnt) is S S , p p ,

But I think sankarabharanam varnam in anupallavi starts as s , d d p m d p , m g m p g m r. You s-d => 9 semitones. And yes s S (12) also does occur (abhOgi varnam last cittaswara). The point though is they are pretty rare (say compared to WM) - atleast that seems to be the general characteristic.

Arun

[cmlover]

I think I got it. n` occurs in both aro and avaro and hence can be used as a pivot. now g r is a descent in avaro hence n` gr is i OK?

I was thinking of the movie 'sindhubhairavi where the drunken Sivakumar is barking at the cowering musician singing Darbar with 's S...

[vasanthakokilam]

Arun, for the examples you are seeking of two big ascending jumps, sa-pa-SA is a characteristic prayoga of Huseni isn't it? It is interesting Huseni can own such a common sequence. I do not recall which songs have it but I remember G.S. Mani's lec-dem where he mentioned something like this. Again, no claims that such jumps are common in CM, you and I are on the same page on that, we are just scraping at the bottom of the barrel to see where such wide jumps are melodious.

[arunk]

vk - It does seem to ring a bell. I think sa-pa and pa-Sa both figure often (sa-pa being part of arohana itself) in separate phrases too.

I am looking at the notations of the huseni swarajathi by ponniah pillai. Many sa-pa and pa-Sa but no sa-pa-Sa. There is a sa-pa-da - which I think is also how enna kuTram seidEno starts (ss pp d..) (??).

So huseni does have a wide jump and further ascent (albeit s-p is sort of part of the scale - but still good example).

Arun

[Suji Ram]

T's Sri Raghukula huseni has S P S in the beginning?

[ramakriya]

Other well-known composition with s-p-s right at the opening is SS's pAhi SrigirirAjasutE ( Ananda bhairavi). So this is not a unique husEni phrase.

IIRC, husEni swarajati EmATalADi ( Ponnaiah Pillai?) starts with s - p -n ; So does another jatiswara beginning as s, p, ndm, pnd, nsr, s, ||

-Ramakriya