husn bekaar agar chaahnevaala naa ho

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knandago2001
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With the help of Pt. Vijay Kichlu, the Sangeet Natak Academy (Delhi), organized "Thumri Rang"
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rshankar
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Fascinating! Thanks again for your painstaking review!

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Ravi and K'ji: Thanks! The hardest part is to listen carefully and write stuff down (a la Bharat who does such a wonderful job with his reports on lec-dems and concerts) when I find myself getting carried away by the music. Can't wait to get home and listen to Gauhar Jan - muchos gracias K'ji. I managed to listen to Pt. Chhanulaal Misra, Pt. Jagdish Prasad, Smt. Shanti Hiranand, Smt. Girija Devi, Smt. Rita Ganguli, and Mashkoor Ali - great music to savour!! Wish you guys were here.

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Nandakumarji, Bahut Khoob! Wajid Ali Shah's is a fascinating story indeed. It was, IIRC, the theme of Satyajit Ray's only Hindi film - Shatranj ke Khiladi. I believe his palce (or whetever) in Metiaabruz is still pretty much as it was during his confinement. Made myself a small note to pay a visit next time I am in the city...

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Post by cmlover »

Nand
Your writing is highly educational as it is entertaining. We are getting the essence of HM with History and names connected and with coolkarni feeding timely snippets it is indeed an enlightening experience. It is not simply listening to HM but understanding it meaningfully with the background is important. Thank you and give us more! And thanks Coolkarni!

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vijay and cmlover ji: i'm reminded of a ghazal sung by the late Smt. Hirabai Barodekar "yaar aakar banaa mehmaan" even as i say "bahut shukriya" to both of you. will try to pen down whatever i can over the next few days.

lyrics for "ab naa bajaao shyam"

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Post by cmlover »

Lovely!
I now entreat coolkarni to post some nice examples for learning the styles.
Again many of the lyrics are quite meaningful and for those of us ignorant of Braj Bhasha we invoke the help of Shankar to understand the import!

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"My name is Gauhar Jan"
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the song babul mora is still one of the most beloved songs of mine, for it's sheer melody, saigal's voice, raag bhairavi etc. After knowing the line by line meaning, my eyes well up with copious tears. I have already narrated an often heard story. KLS was invited by a leading film producer to his house,at marine drive . After reaching the locality, KLS FORGOT THE FLAT NO ETC .He started singing babul mora without any inhibitions, The producer thrilled by his golden voice rushed out to receive him. gobilalitha

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Thanks Nand/coolkarni
I did find Saigal's heart rendering Babul at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_BmHDD8rSM
(courtesy of varmaji who is a fanatic fan of Saigal :)
What a powerful lyric? One must know the lyric with meaning to appreciate the 'cry of the heart'. Nand's subtle reference to funeral/marriage sets the scene for soulful Saigal's sensitive pathos!
I can understand the moisture in GBL's eyes! Whose will not ?

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Post by gobilalitha »

coolji. jagjitsingh-chitra' babul mora padiathil' KURAI ONDRUM ILLAI. but kurai ondrum illai , MSS paduvatharkkum , others paduvatharkkum vitiyasam illaiya?( J AND C have rendered BABUL MORA BEAUTIFULLY.But there is an emotional difference . JUST like MSS singing kurai ondrum illai and others singing. gobilalitha

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Accompanied by Pt. Lalit Kumar on the tabla and by Pt. Sohanlal Sharma on the harmonium, Pt. Chhannulaal Misra stated at the very outset "thumakti hui chaal sey raadhikaa krishna ko rijhaave, usi ko thumri kahaavey!"

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[quote="knandago2001"]Whereas bhaav suggested by the lyrics may be individual, it is the skill of the performer that transforms it to the universal (ras). Savita Devi recalled how her mother Smt. Siddheshwari Devi taught her the line "saanjh bhayi ab ghar aao nandalaal"

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Ravi: everytime I listen to MSS"

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Post by gobilalitha »

nandago, were all the songs rendered in khamaj only? gobilalitha

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yes, Jagdish Prasad ji sang them all in khamaj for more than an hour and a quarter!

thumri-s sung by Ustad Abdul Karim Khan and his followers have been described as khayali thumri on account of their perceptible lack of eroticism and seriousness of approach bordering on the devotional. However the Kirana Thumri is different from the ‘purab’ style of the thumri, as it does not employ ‘laggi’ or doubling of the tempo, towars the end of the thumri. Purists therefore feel that the Kirana Thumri lacks lilt and emotive appeal as it lays relatively less emphasis on laya.

jamuna ke teer kanha - Ustad Abdul Karim Khansaheb
http://excavatedshellac.wordpress.com/2 ... ira-kanha/

piya milan ki aas - Jogiya - Pt. Bimsen Joshi
http://www.esnips.com/doc/125d836b-e53a ... msen-Joshi

more on laggi and the tabla bols used
http://www.chandrakantha.com/tablasite/ ... yclic2.htm
demo by Bickram Ghosh
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkAXolK_WI

sargam in thumri - Pt. Vasantrao Deshpande
http://mehfiltube.magnify.net/video/Pt- ... nde-Thumri

saiyyan gaye pardes -Ustad Ashiq Ali Khan
http://www.esnips.com/doc/80bab45b-4da3 ... ERA-ASHIQ)

aaye naa balam - Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan
http://in.truveo.com/Ustad-Bade-Ghulam- ... 2295997138
lovely photographs and lyrics in roman script

bhor bhayi - gurjari todi - Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan - the taanbaazi and sargam is reminiscent of a drut khayal
http://in.truveo.com/Ustad-Bade-Ghulam- ... 2287795581

thumri in maand - sarangi - Ustad Sultan Khan
http://www.esnips.com/doc/208007fc-3c9e ... ---Sarangi
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Post by sahkul »

Excellent word work Nandagopalji... You are making e'one feel, you should have been there!

Some more recordings of concert pls....

I've some Banaras Gharana recordings... I'll share them...

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sahkul: this one is for you

Akhtari Bai
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=05ceV7swa ... re=related
ae mohabbat teray anjaam pay ronaa aayaa
jaanay kyoon aaj teray naam pay ronaa aayaa
yoon to har shaam ummeedon main guzar jaatee thee
aaj kuch baat hai jo shaam pay ronaa aayaa
kabhi taqdeer kaa maattam, kabhi duniyaa ka gilaa
manzil-i-ishq main har ghum pay ronaa aayaa
jaab huaa zikar zamanay main mohabbat ka shakir
mujh ko apnay dil-i-nakaam pay ronaa aayaa

Girija Devi in concert
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=D34hZVoc09A

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Newsreport on thumri rang
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thsc ... 8/&prd=fr&


eri sakhi ab - thumri in kaushikdhwani - Rita Ganguly
http://www.esnips.com/doc/29c52b6f-ce68 ... i-Sakhi-Ab

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Post by gobilalitha »

binnashadj andkaushikdhwani.are they same or similar ? felt happy to meet you. ravi, ram ,coolji , vijay,venkat and other members at the wonderful performance of Ashwin,Rohin gobilalitha

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gobilalita ji: it was a pleasure meeting you after the concert. bhinnashadj and kaushikdhwani are both similar to hemant with minor differences in the way they are handled by gharaanedaar musicians. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=PfSldL-9ARk

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Post by narayan »

Nadagopal,
What is the significance of the title line "husn bekaar agar chaahnevaala naa ho" to the topic under discussion?

knandago2001
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The word husn means "attractiveness, beauty, elegance, or loveliness"

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Post by nightingale »

Our Javalis and Padams, are also in line with Thumris. Just as Thumris need a perspective of appreciation , our Javalis and Padams too need the same perspective.

Husn is bekar, today, as the definition of "husn" itself is re-written. In today's humdrum scenario, start shoot , fire approach is what is liked by many.

Even though music is supposed to relieve you of this humdrum, people are not patient, or don't want 'lamba chauda' portrayals.

'What is this life if full of care, we have no time to stand and stare' said .W>H>Davies in his poem.

Exactly, so. Most of us today don't have the patience or the time to appreciate the unfolding of a bhava, rasa and beauty and carry along and grow alongwith it.

Hence with changing taste patterns, many of these genres of music / art also die a slow death.

Could not hold on , as wanted to express quickly !!!

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Pandit Mahadev Prasad Mishra was one of greatest exponent of the Benaras Thumri. He was highly respected by all artists of Benaras including Kishan Maharaj, Ustad Bismillah Khan, Siddheswari, Girija Devi and others. Dr.Smt . N.Rajam has learnt Thumri from him.
Even though his music was drenched in undiluted Benarasi Ang he added the beauty of uncanny rhythm which other thumri players did not do. He started as tablist, being a gurubhai to the famous Anokelal Mishra. His perception of laya was so perfect that Late Khanthe Maharaj would prefer only his lehara for his solo concerts. He was great techer of both table and Thumri. His rendering of "ab naa bajaao shyam"

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Shivadasan: thanks for your write-up on Pt. Mahadev Prasad Mishra ji - banarasi malai rabdi is too tempting for words! Here is a link to audio clips of Panditji from the archives of ITCSRA
http://www.itcsra.org/celebrated_master ... elebrate=1

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There has been a mistake in the web site name I had given about the record of Pt.Mahadev Pd. Mishra. The correct web site for obtaining Panditji's record is
legendarylegacy.com.
Sorry for the mistake
Shivadasan

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Infact the folk element in the semi-classical tradition of Thumri is most evident in the sub-genre of Hori http://www.vidyashah-music.blogspot.com/ Some Hori Thumris by
Shobha Gurtu
http://www.itcsra.org/celebrated_masters.asp?id=3

Sandipan Samajpati
http://www.sandipansamajpati.com/sandipans_audio.htm

Siddheshwari Devi
http://www.itcsra.org/tribute.asp?id=5

Kesarbai Kerkar
http://www.esnips.com/doc/32f6ae15-b2da ... i%20Khamaj

Moujuddin Khansaheb
http://www.itcsra.org/tribute.asp?id=8


Some samples of Hori Dhamar

Uday Bhawalkar - Hori Dhamar - Komal Rishab Asavari
http://fb.esnips.com/doc/5d6dde6c-13da- ... -Bhawalkar


Ritwik Sanyal - Hori Dhamar - Chayanat
http://www.esnips.com/doc/2825cf26-bc66 ... ori-Dhamar


Ajoy Chakraborty - Hori Dhamar - Bhairavi
http://indianraga.wordpress.com/2008/04/
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Unfortunate though true is that fact that Thumri and Tappa singers from Gaya are often forgotten. Padmashri Gajendra Narayan Singh, who speaks at ITC-SRA events and who is the former Chairman of the Bihar Sangeet Natak Academy speaks about singers from Gaya. The current exponent of note from Gaya is Govardhan Mishra, whom Gajendra Narayan Singh rates as the finest living Tappa singer in the country. He is also a first rate Thumri exponent of the Gaya style which is a variant of Benares Bol Banao Thumri.

Unfortunately I do not have any of his recordings nor of his father guru Ram Prasad Mishra or Ramuji though I heard them many times when younger.

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Here is a vintage Bhimsen joshi version of Babul Mora .. pure bliss.
http://www.esnips.com/doc/fe4de7b5-6084 ... a-Bhairavi

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ab naa bajao shyaam...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atblcrfM ... re=related
Pt. Chhannulaal Mishra is simply fantastic.. I'm enthralled...

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Nandagopal, Pt. Chhannulal Mishra is fantastic - he also gives performaces that can best be described as the north-Indian equivalent of 'iSai sorpozhivu'/harikatha...absolutely fabulous. His knowledge of both music and the SAstras is prodigious...reminds me of Sri TNS.

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sahi bAt hai...

Nandagopal,
Thanks! Good stuff. Some kind of maanj?
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@ Ravi & Arasi: Glad you enjoyed Mishraji’s music - He is very affable indeed!
This past May, I had been to the Sankat Mochan Hanuman Music Festival in Banaras where his 8-9 yr old grandson simply wowed the audience with a dazzling display of kaidaa, rela and chakradhars on the tabla. The kid then turned round to ask his granddad for permission “ab main thumri ke liye bajaaoon?” Mishraji then instructed one of his students to sing the popular Khamaj thumri “Kaun gali gayo shyaam…” Potaa ne kamaal kiya – He has amazing talent! Hope to post a clip as and when it is available.

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