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Nick H
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arasi wrote:Ah, grandparent status! Congratulations , especially to S!
It's number three, actually!

I hope Suresh will forgive the intrusion if I comment that, yesterday evening, I turned my back on the incredible choice of top carnatic artists (even including Sumithra and Suguna V) and attended the stuning Dhrupad performance in Besant Nagar.

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May forgive the intrusion but not the choice. But looks like you did not have much of a say in the matter ;-)

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Congratulations Nick H, on the new grandchild. Grandparents, thrice over! Enjoy the 'parent hood without responsibility' ' as rshankar said. That is why it is grand!

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It has been said that grandchildren are the compensation for putting up with teenagers. In this case I'm a freeloader, as I skipped the the teenage bit, and acquired them as adult step-"children." Clever move!

But... Where is SureshVV today?

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Suresh is deferring to pattamma who is reporting on the Sanjay concert.

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Ritwik Raja, Mysore srikanth, mannargudi eshwaran, anirudh athreya
13 dec, 930am, mylapore fine arts

1,. Navaraga malika varnam
2. Sri Alapana, endaro mahanubavulu
3. Telyaleru rama, denuka, swara @ pallavi
4. Purvi Kalyani Alapana in progress

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Ninnu vinaga , Misra Chapu

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Parama lobhulanu, neraval and swaram
5. Padavini, salaka bhairavi
6. Mukhari Alapana in progress

He sang nice swaras for purvi kalyani, crisp mel kala swaras... Great accompanying by srikanth and eshwaran sir

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Muripamu galige, adi 2 Kalai
Iduleni malayamarutamu, neraval and swarm, tani
Sapadya kausalya, jounpuri

Mukhari Alapana was kind of okay, but keerthana, swarams compensated. It was good to see Bharat sundar in audience.

Attended Vignesh Ishwar in vani mahal towards end. Dhanyasi, Meena lochana was main... Very good presentation.

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Akkarai sisters, vani mahal
4pm

1. Saveri varnam
2. Vatapi Ganapathim, swarams
3. Purvi kalyani Alapana,padmavati Ramanam
Swaram at Saha pandita samooha sevam
4. Ma ramanan, Hindolam
5. Marivere dikkevaru, latangi, k chapu
Dharalona in sati , neraval and swaram
6. Saveri Alapana
Anjaneya raghurama, adi 2 Kalai, swathi thirunal
Swaram at Janaka sutha
Thani
7. Srinivasa, hamsanandi

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Was it a vocal concert, Pattamma?

They usually include their father's compositions in their concerts.

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Yes, vocal concert. It was great....

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Venue: bvb mini

Subhiksha Rangarajan
K.P.Nandini
M.S.Venkatasubramanian
Madipakkam Gopalakrishnan

Caught the main (durusuga, saveri), thani & thukkadas

1. Viruttam, irakkam varaamal, behag
2. Arabinanam, ragamalika
3. Maathada baraadeno, khamas

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Venue: BVB mini

Vidya Raghavan
G.Sureshkumar
Trivandrum Hariharan

1. Saranga varnam
2. Deva deva kalayamite (s)
3. Khamas, brocheva

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Venue: Pethachi auditorium

Thanmayee Krishnamurthy
S.P.Anantapadnanabha

walked in during swaras of bhuvinidasu

sobhillu saptaswara

now kalyani alap
Talli ninnu nera nammi naanu
neraval @ syama krishna paripalinim

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Venue: Pethachi auditorium

J.B.Sruti Sagar (flute)
K.J.Dileep
N.C.Bharadwaj

1. Kaana vendamo, sriranjani, sivan
2. Pantuvarali, Ramanatham bhajeham

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It's really great to see the photographic additions to the random notes!

A date for your diary: 24 January.

Unamplified chamber concert, in the Oli series, by J B Sruti Sagar.

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Looks so much better on my phone... Why can't images be resized to the width of the screen just like my phone does it?

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3. Reethigowla, Nannu vidachi
4. Chinnanadena, kalanidhi
5. Todi, ?, misra chapu
6. Thani

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Venue: Ragasudha

Brinda Manickavasagam
Melakkaveri Thyagarajan
B.Sivaranan
Trivandrum Rajagopal

Walked in a bit late.

A nicely built up gowrimanohari alap with some suspense until she hit the uttarangam

Brova samayam idhe ramayya with neraval at karunakarudu

Bright kedaragowla alap
followed by tulasi bilva mallika. Voice absolutely intoxicating in lower registers. Beautiful charanam sung very well.

Varali main. An absolutely fire breathing dragon version of varali singeing the audience, jumping back and forth the scale with felicity & the accompanist having a hard time keeping up. Wondering if it will be kamakshi.
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A plaintive Karuna judavamma instead. Neraval & swaras @ maragadangi pancha nadheesu rani

An abridged thani

Beautiful kurinji 10 second overview & slokam from narayaneeyam?

Sri venugopala

Brindavani tillana (BMK)

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Same venue

Sumitra Vasudev
BUG
Same percussion team

1. Varnam, Sriranjani, Ramaswamy Deekshitar with contributions
2. Ninnu juchi, sowrashtram
3. Ma ramanan, Hindolam

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1st speed neraval & 2nd speed swaras at Mara janakan, kumara janakan

4. Sankarabharanam, bhakthi bhikshameeyave, rupaka

neraval & 2nd speed swaras @ pallavi

Bhavukamagu saatvika rasanai eeyave

5. namo namaste geervani, girvani (bhavapriya?)

6. Palukavemi na deivama, poornachandrika

7. Bhairavi alap

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Priya sisters
Vani Mahal

Valaji alapana followed by Vasudevana nenadu (Puranda dasar)
MAK violin return overtaking the vocal alapana

Shanmukapriya's voice a bit too shaky :( as she started the alapana. Haripriya thooki niruthified valaji taking off from the upper sthayi sancharas. Haripriya surely seems to have more azhuttham of the two!

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Balagopala
Neraval at anupallavi

nice 2nd speed neraval drawing applause

Flute Ramani sir just walked in

nice thani. Kanjira artiste (new to me) impressive.

Slokam (prasarathi shashadhara bimbe) in mohanam, shanmugapriya, sahana, ahiri

Kachita samaye, ahiri, ashtapadhi?

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9. Vagaladi, behag
10. pavamana, mangalam

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Venue: MA

A.Narayanan
Sreya Devnath
M.Shridhar

Walked in at the end of saveri alap

Sankari sankaru

Neravati sukhadayaka

Remember hearing artiste (S.P.Ramh student) at KGS & he sang a dramatic Nannu brovu Lalitha couple years back.

Now kalyani alap with brief foray into hindolam at ni. Violin attempt at same with flat notes sounded more credible.

Nidhichala sukhama

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Thani

sri jagadeeswari durga in ahir bhairav

Hameer kalyani tillana (LGJ)

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Venue: SPSS

Prasanna Venkatraman
M.Rajeev
Arjun Ganesh
Chandrasekhara Sarma

1. Varnam, Gowla, chelemi kori unnadi(sp?)

2. Maguvaku daya mohananga na pai, mohanam, adi, ?, swaras @ pallavi

3. A wonderful expansive surutti alapana. Rajeev can do it this way too. Vara kriti. Neraval & swaras at deena rakshakam

4.

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V Deepika at Vani Mahal

Sudha madhurya (Sinduramakriya)

Very rounded sruti-aligned pleasant voice - that can articulate all uruttal sangatis very crisply. Sounding just like Sudha did 5 years back - Frequent glances into ipad in the front are a bit annoying. Sometimes even during raga alapana... Hope it doesn't become an OCD - Obsessive Compulsive DIsorder (for no reason - she seems to know the lyrics quite well)

Now Hemavati alapana progressing - Sri Kantimatim coming up most likely..

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Suresh, A Narayanan = Ashwath Narayanan?

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Nope. This is just A.Narayanan, Chartered Accountant by day - Student of S.P.Ramh.

Has a voice with a tinge of nasality - like Saketharaman, and is from the same school.

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gajaa wrote:Frequent glances into ipad in the front are a bit annoying. Sometimes even during raga alapana... Hope it doesn't become an OCD - Obsessive Compulsive DIsorder (for no reason - she seems to know the lyrics quite well
Was it the final day of one of those big Flipkart sales ;)

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Nick H wrote:
Was it the final day of one of those big Flipkart sales ;)
I really hope it's a one-off thing! But seriously, during raga alapana? come on.. :)
Anyway - I've seen Sudha Raghunathan (Deepika's guru) doing the same on several occasions. Peering into the notes in the front sometimes even for "nee daya radha' or 'vatapi' ... Now that really befuddles me - why? it's surely not because she wanted to recall the lyrics no?

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Nick H wrote:Was it the final day of one of those big Flipkart sales ;)
:)
As a group (which includes me), we all find the artist looking at the book for very popular songs as bad. I think the same us would not think much badly if they do that for viruththam. While I admit to the above two extremes, it would not look odd to me if the krithi is something totally new to me. Again not always looking at the book but looking at it once in a while would not be too odd there. The problem with looking at the books too much is, it feels like they are isolating themselves and not be with the rest of the artists on stage and with the audience. It is more a visual distraction rather than musical, of course.

Is it just us who are too much inside the beltway? I will have to do an experiment by asking people who are at different radiuses. We see film music singers, even great ones (like Lata, Suseela, Janaki level) look at notes for songs they probably have sung thousands of times and that crowd does not seem to make a big issue out of it.

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I am all for technology, so long as you don't ask me to master more than what I can muster--but just a thought, silly, but useful to us. If only what they have in front of them, with a flick of a switch gets projected on a screen on the side, we can enjoy the full impact of the lyrics without wondering about the words we miss in unfamiliar songs!

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Arasi, that is a good idea and it is very much doable. A $24 problem assuming the concert hall has a TV with an HDMI port ( which is quite common ) and the artists bring there iPad.

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gajaa wrote:I really hope it's a one-off thing! But seriously, during raga alapana? come on.. :)
Anyway - I've seen Sudha Raghunathan (Deepika's guru) doing the same on several occasions. Peering into the notes in the front sometimes even for "nee daya radha' or 'vatapi' ... Now that really befuddles me - why? it's surely not because she wanted to recall the lyrics no?
Here's my suspicion as to why an artist should be concentrating on the pad or tablet during a familiar song or an alapana: they multi task! It may not be Flipkart shopping, but it may well be selecting the next few songs and having them ready. One or the other they can probably do on autopilot, just as they can probably sing while driving a car (oh, wait... just as they think they can drive while singing) but whether such activity actually takes away from the performance, if that is what they are doing, one would have to challenge them.

I'm a shopoholic and a gadget lover, but, really, I can do without seeing all that stuff surrounding the singer. And is iShruthi really better than Radel?

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Venue: Pethachi hall

Prasanna Venkatraman
M.Rajeev
R.Sankaranarayanan
KVG

1. Ninne kori(varnam), kaanada, adi

2. Manasuloni marmamulu, hindolam, swaras

3. Manirangu,

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vasanthakokilam wrote: :)
As a group (which includes me), we all find the artist looking at the book for very popular songs as bad. I think the same us would not think much badly if they do that for viruththam. While I admit to the above two extremes, it would not look odd to me if the krithi is something totally new to me. Again not always looking at the book but looking at it once in a while would not be too odd there. The problem with looking at the books too much is, it feels like they are isolating themselves and not be with the rest of the artists on stage and with the audience. It is more a visual distraction rather than musical, of course.

Is it just us who are too much inside the beltway? I will have to do an experiment by asking people who are at different radiuses. We see film music singers, even great ones (like Lata, Suseela, Janaki level) look at notes for songs they probably have sung thousands of times and that crowd does not seem to make a big issue out of it.
I agree with the thinking that - it is that isolation that is annoying, esplly when it's not a new-to-the-world number. As for why we accept it with movie playback singers, I can think of 2 drivers:

1. Film songs - by virtue of just being film songs help establish an instant rapport with audience/listeners. So, the artistes connecting with the listeners (eye-to-eye) becomes an add on, on-top of just singing. However, you might have noticed - the younger lot like Chinmayee, Karthik, Haricharan etc, ... do a lot more than singing to retain that rapport with the audience - & yes, we can criticize it as much as we want to (singing should just be singing, why make it a performance etc.. ) but it does create an impact

2. It's been done since forever - I think this is the stronger reason. From the times of TMS (perhaps even earlier) - we have seen these light music concerts always with that pad of lyrics in front of the singers. It's never been considered a gaffe or in any way dishonouring the listeners. Contrast this with Carnatic music concerts - I dont think we would remember any instance where an MS, MLV, DKP & other stalwarts referring to notes in a kutcheri. ... It just feels so out of place.... :( (personally, I dont want it to become commonplace in our kutcheris - unless of course for really new pieces!

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Good and considerate analysis of the factors involved, gajaa.

I have thought about this a bit and I am skewing towards the conclusion that it is our problem and not the artist. In a related incident, I was watching a literary program and the people involved were top notch scholars in their field. So it is as 'classical' as it gets in such circles and nothing frivolous. One speaker, before quoting the paragraph "When complaints are freely heard, deeply considered and speedily reformed.....", brought out a small note book and turned to a dog-eared page and glanced at it while saying softly 'I don't want to mess this up'. It was all done elegantly so it was not off putting. In fact, it felt like he is showing his respect for Milton by making sure he does not mess it up. But somehow when a CM artist looks at a book for a popular thyagaraja krithi, we feel it to be out of place. ( if it sounds like an indictment, it includes me too )

(only very tangentially related side bar: On the issue of 'this has been the way all along and so it feels out of place when it is not'': I agree that this is very broad, deep and predominant in many aspects of life and by some definition that is what culture and tradition is. But my thinking is that it is a bit dangerous to automatically assume such human nature is a good thing or something to be celebrated. One thing that is quite revealing for me personally is to occasionally reflect if my likes, dislikes, thoughts and actions are reflex actions conditioned by others or these are truly felt by me. Granted 'what is truly felt by us' is conditioned by our experiences, it still makes sense to make that distinction.)

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That was truly an eye-opening post VK. I agree it's in our mindset. Superb analogy drawn with other professions as well. You know this whole 'paathu paadarathu' has been such a raging debate between me & my wife and now I'm enlightened. :)

In fact we were thinking - when we visit a doctor for consultation - she doesn't refer to her books everytime to offer us advice. The same doctor - when she's out there to give a lecture may find it better to have her books by the side- not bcoz she doesn't know her stuff but bcoz she wants to be perfect - & as you said 'it's too important that you cannot afford to mess it up' . So yes, I understand that POV.

Nevertheless, when I ask my heart, it continues to hold that extra ounce of fancy, respect, adulation fur that performer who sings/performs without that bit adiching ;)

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The way our music is taught/learned is primarily "karna moolam" (Ears based) unlike most other scholarly fields like say medicine or literature where the basic training is through Dhrushya moolam (Eyes based): i.e. reading texts or going over books.
Hence artists looking at the notes perhaps comes across as violating (to whatever degree) that basic principle or facet of learning. On the other hand, the pause that an artist may give to absorb the sruthi, or to re-synch with the music/melody (which is typically associated with ears) hence does not come across as oddly. This pause, IMO, is synonymous with the break that the scholar takes to refer his/her notes that VK is referring to.

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