Can I get a fresh upload of these songs please? If the neyveli's Desh song is same rendition as the one that is mentioned in this thread ("Bharatha desathai nesi manamE") , then I got that, then upload only the other two. Thanks.neyveli sang these for a private audience-a series covering most popular ragams
by smoking out the desh you have picked up the desh track i had reserved for aug 15th
http://rapidshare.de/files/3695171/Desh.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3695296/Kedargowla.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3695407/Suruti.mp3.html
Desh
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vasanthakokilam
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coolkarniji wrote in the old desh thread
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vasanthakokilam
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This is probably discussed before but I could not find the details. In the old dEsh thread 'incon' mentions that dEsh, kedAragowla and suratti use the same notes but different prayogams and gamakams. I hear the gamaka differences... Are the arohanam and avarohanam same as well and the differences are brought out by vakra prayogams and gamakams? or are the vakra prayogam differences I hear part of the official arohanam/avarohanam?
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inconsequential
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vk,
that is my understanding. Aro/avarO being same - gamakas different. that is the picture i got, when srI santAnagOpAlan mentioned it in the concert. am not very sure about the dEsh ArO/avarO - but, suruTTi/k.gowLa seem to fit the explanation. Ni and Ri being the important swaras in the 2 scales (respectively).
differences in prayOgams arise due to the asampUrNa ArOhaNam, is my understanding. Experts kindly correct me if wrong.
regards
that is my understanding. Aro/avarO being same - gamakas different. that is the picture i got, when srI santAnagOpAlan mentioned it in the concert. am not very sure about the dEsh ArO/avarO - but, suruTTi/k.gowLa seem to fit the explanation. Ni and Ri being the important swaras in the 2 scales (respectively).
differences in prayOgams arise due to the asampUrNa ArOhaNam, is my understanding. Experts kindly correct me if wrong.
regards
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cmlover
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vk
desh is a northern raga imported to south and cannot boast of any special gamakas. Kedaragowlai is our good old local kid known for effective use in harikathas and paaraayanam. SuraTi has 'its pride and glory' ( as SRJ claims) and ranks in calibre with rItigowlai, sahana and anandabhairavi. Compared to them desh is light weight and no doubt was ignored except at the movies! it is so nice that DRS has contributed a significant kriti and let us hope that the performing public will wake up to it!
desh is a northern raga imported to south and cannot boast of any special gamakas. Kedaragowlai is our good old local kid known for effective use in harikathas and paaraayanam. SuraTi has 'its pride and glory' ( as SRJ claims) and ranks in calibre with rItigowlai, sahana and anandabhairavi. Compared to them desh is light weight and no doubt was ignored except at the movies! it is so nice that DRS has contributed a significant kriti and let us hope that the performing public will wake up to it!
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vageyakara
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Hallo Rasikas,
Please spare a few minutes to view and listen to one of my creations in Desh "SANAATHANA DHARMA SAMVARDHANI
SUNADAPRIYE JAYA BHARATA JANANI " (a patriotic song(GLORIFYING Bharata Maatha)
Ramaraj
Ref:www.karnatik.com/c3498.shtml
Please spare a few minutes to view and listen to one of my creations in Desh "SANAATHANA DHARMA SAMVARDHANI
SUNADAPRIYE JAYA BHARATA JANANI " (a patriotic song(GLORIFYING Bharata Maatha)
Ramaraj
Ref:www.karnatik.com/c3498.shtml
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narcot
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////neyveli sang these for a private audience-a series covering most popular ragams
by smoking out the desh you have picked up the desh track i had reserved for aug 15th
http://rapidshare.de/files/3695171/Desh.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3695296/Kedargowla.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3695407/Suru ... tml///////
Could we have a fresh upload please? Thanks in advance
by smoking out the desh you have picked up the desh track i had reserved for aug 15th
http://rapidshare.de/files/3695171/Desh.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3695296/Kedargowla.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/3695407/Suru ... tml///////
Could we have a fresh upload please? Thanks in advance
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vaggeyakara,
Just heard your kriti in desh. A very nice composition, indeed.
There is 'sunAda sammOdita' in the posted lyric. I hear your singing it as 'sanmArga pradarSita'. Which of the words you choose to keep? I empathize with you on this aspect. I would catch myself once in a while, singing something slightly different from the original words or look in my notebooks of lyrics and find them to be different from what I have been singing! You may agree with me on this that either we have unknowingly preferred the new version or had forgotten the older one!
Just heard your kriti in desh. A very nice composition, indeed.
There is 'sunAda sammOdita' in the posted lyric. I hear your singing it as 'sanmArga pradarSita'. Which of the words you choose to keep? I empathize with you on this aspect. I would catch myself once in a while, singing something slightly different from the original words or look in my notebooks of lyrics and find them to be different from what I have been singing! You may agree with me on this that either we have unknowingly preferred the new version or had forgotten the older one!
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vageyakara
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Hallo Arasi madam,
Thank u for your observation .Though both SunAda sammOdita and sanmArga pradarSita are in consonance with the candam ,my original recording I chose to sing the 2nd one but while posting the lyric into the website, due to my usual forgetfulness I incorporated the 1st one being an improved lyrical beauty added to this kriti.The recording was done some 40 years ago.BTW, there is another one in Tamil in the raga calanatta "UnakkiNai nIyE BharatatAye"an exclusive composition to commomorate the advent of Millennium year and the song was performed at the Music Academy concert by none other than Smt.Rajee gopalakrishnan.Please listen to the same and come back with ur views.In both the songs the Raga mudhra Desh , and calanAta were judiciously incorporated.I hope u would have noticed this aspect.
Thank u very much
Ramaraj
Thank u for your observation .Though both SunAda sammOdita and sanmArga pradarSita are in consonance with the candam ,my original recording I chose to sing the 2nd one but while posting the lyric into the website, due to my usual forgetfulness I incorporated the 1st one being an improved lyrical beauty added to this kriti.The recording was done some 40 years ago.BTW, there is another one in Tamil in the raga calanatta "UnakkiNai nIyE BharatatAye"an exclusive composition to commomorate the advent of Millennium year and the song was performed at the Music Academy concert by none other than Smt.Rajee gopalakrishnan.Please listen to the same and come back with ur views.In both the songs the Raga mudhra Desh , and calanAta were judiciously incorporated.I hope u would have noticed this aspect.
Thank u very much
Ramaraj
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SrinathK
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Re: Desh
vanDE mAtaram! (Not not those other ones! The original one... 
)
Now that our dEsh has successfully completed the world's largest and most high octane election ever, and voted NaMo back with an even bigger mandate than before, I could not have picked a better occasion to revive this thread. So let's first look at the scale of dEsh.
Aro : S R2 M1 P N3 S
Avaro : S N2 D2 P D2 P M1 G3 R2 S
Key phrases - Two Ns. That N3 in the ascent. The PD,P phrase with that gamaka on that D, the handling of the N2, G3 and the slide down to R2 and phrases like MG (RS)N, S are the signature of this rAgA. That PDP phrase is so key that I included it in the arOhanam, but it can be skipped on the descent too.
This rAgA actually has quite a lot more scope than what we think it does given this arOhanam and avarOhanam. There are times where nalinakAnti needs to handle its R2 with care to avoid sounding like dEsh.
So the most popular composition in CM -- from the album "Dance of Sound" - Lalgudi Jayaraman's dEsh tillAnA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yq2CxZ8vlI -- sorry, couldn't find any official album uploaded, or any other recording that's anywhere this level.
LGJ himself playing an excerpt of dEsh (which song is this btw? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1xZr1buz40)
dEsh is also suitable for longer elaborations - listen to this by TNS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wsr09tRhRU
A short educational video from NCERT on it (it's in Hindi) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2PncKu3OE
Of course, the most popular number is the National Song, vandE mAtaram, so the patriotic pun is intentional and very old.
Rasikas, can you dig out those old numbers from the thread? We've come a very long way from those temporary file sharing days of rapidshare and slow internet. I hope DRS is still lurking around here.
)Now that our dEsh has successfully completed the world's largest and most high octane election ever, and voted NaMo back with an even bigger mandate than before, I could not have picked a better occasion to revive this thread
. So let's first look at the scale of dEsh.Aro : S R2 M1 P N3 S
Avaro : S N2 D2 P D2 P M1 G3 R2 S
Key phrases - Two Ns. That N3 in the ascent. The PD,P phrase with that gamaka on that D, the handling of the N2, G3 and the slide down to R2 and phrases like MG (RS)N, S are the signature of this rAgA. That PDP phrase is so key that I included it in the arOhanam, but it can be skipped on the descent too.
This rAgA actually has quite a lot more scope than what we think it does given this arOhanam and avarOhanam. There are times where nalinakAnti needs to handle its R2 with care to avoid sounding like dEsh.
So the most popular composition in CM -- from the album "Dance of Sound" - Lalgudi Jayaraman's dEsh tillAnA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yq2CxZ8vlI -- sorry, couldn't find any official album uploaded, or any other recording that's anywhere this level.
LGJ himself playing an excerpt of dEsh (which song is this btw? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1xZr1buz40)
dEsh is also suitable for longer elaborations - listen to this by TNS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wsr09tRhRU
A short educational video from NCERT on it (it's in Hindi) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2PncKu3OE
Of course, the most popular number is the National Song, vandE mAtaram, so the patriotic pun is intentional and very old.
Rasikas, can you dig out those old numbers from the thread? We've come a very long way from those temporary file sharing days of rapidshare and slow internet. I hope DRS is still lurking around here.