Patnam Subrahmanya Iyer

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ravi2006
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Post by ravi2006 » 18 Dec 2006, 03:44

I thought I might start a thread on Patnam Subrahmanya Iyer, one of the most famous of the post-trinity composers. I also have a specific query. PSI was renowned for his exposition of Begada to the extent of being known as 'Begada Subrahmanya Iyer', and composed an Ata Tala varnam 'Marachitlindede' in this raga. Has anyone here ever heard this varnam?

This topic came to my mind after reading a translation of Mysore Vasudevachar's memoirs, in which he relates how, when he began his gurukulavasa under PSI, this varnam was his first lesson. "For about three months thereafter he did not take up any new lesson. He made me sing the same varnam day after day in slow tempo then in medium and finally in fast tempo..."

I just thought it would be a pity if this varnam in Patnam's favourite raga, which he obviously took such pains to teach, had simply sunk into oblivion.
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Post by jayaram » 18 Dec 2006, 04:01

The great maestro Titte Krishna Iyengar is supposed to have sung this varnam. I have a few tapes of his singing, I will check to see if this piece is included.
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Post by prashant » 18 Dec 2006, 11:33

Among Vidwans performing today, the grand old gentleman Sri SR Janakiraman sings this varnam; so does Sanjay Subrahmanyan. I have also heard bits of this in a lec-dem on varnams by Smt. Vedavalli.

Some of Patnam's krithis are just wonderful: varamulOsagi in kIravANi, endukiDu Capalamu in mandAri, both his sAvEri krithis [enta nErCina and the seldom-heard but beautiful eTu namminA] and the grand, Dikshitar-esque sri panCanadISa in sahAnA which Sanjay has dug up and popularized.
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#4 Favourites of Patnam Subramania Iyer

Post by satyabalu » 09 Jun 2011, 22:17

* Heard that "Begada"was his popular Raga. Any historic facts on this or about his compositions on this raga?
*Also understand raga "Kadana kuthugalam"was invented by him.Again I wish to know on this fact/compositions of PSI.
*Who is considered to have learnt /brought out more of his kritis.?Going by the sishya parampara it should be Poochi Srinivasa iyengar...Sri.Sankara Sivan...Sri. Ramnad Krishnan..I am open for correction.
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#5 Re: Favourites of Patnam Subramania Iyer

Post by vs_manjunath » 11 Jun 2011, 20:37

kuthuhalam, i think and not kuthugalam.
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#6 Re: Favourites of Patnam Subramania Iyer

Post by venkata makhi » 14 Sep 2011, 21:26

I believe Mysore Vasudevacharya is a desciple of Patnam Subrahmanya Iyer. He composed 'nIkEla daya rAdu' in kadana kutUhalam following PSI's style. This kriti has a beautiful chitta swaram too !!
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#7 Re: Favourites of Patnam Subramania Iyer

Post by Ramasubramanian M.K » 15 Sep 2011, 07:40

YES! The story I heard regarding the Kadana Kuduhalam --- PS happened to be walking by Fort St. George on the Marina Beach and heard the Band playing a western tune from which PS is supposed to have drawn inspiration!! by the way the Chittaswaram in Raghu Vamsa Sudha was composed by his contemporary Thiruvaiyaru
PS had four disciples Tiger Varadachariar,Poochi Srinivasa Iyengar,Mysore Vasudevachar,Sarabha sastry(Flute). He was a contemporary of Maha Vaidyanatha Iyer who was a Giant in his own right. PS was a disciple of Saint Thyagaraja's prime disciple(who was also distantly related to the saint) namely Manambuchavadi VenkataSubbier.
I became known as Begada Subramania Iyer for his exquisite rendering of begada before the Ruler of Mysore over 3 days--first day an elaboration of the raga,tana on the second day and pallavi,swara etc on the third day. Acc. to Dr.S.Ramanathan the musicologist,PS was noted for his inimitable Madhyama Kala(Tana) singing and Neraval. He has composed Thillanas in Khamas(Adi),Begada(Rupakam), and Sindhubhairavi(Desadi).
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#8 Re: Favourites of Patnam Subramania Iyer

Post by Ramasubramanian M.K » 15 Sep 2011, 07:47

Sorry!! Hit the wrong button and sent an incomplete response!!!
The Raghu vamsa Sudha Chittaswaram was composed by PS's contemporary Thiruvaiyaru Subramania Iyer.,

Although PS followed the Trinity,he was bold to innovate in his own way --example in the Navaragamalika Varnam(Valachi Vachi),in the Sriragam bit, he has used the Pa Da Ni Ma Ri Ga Ri Sa--the use of Dhaivatam in Sriraga is supposed to be very rare--Thygaraja in his Pancha ratna Piece Entharo or Nama Kusuma kriti, he has eschewed the Alpa Dhaivatha Prayogam completely adhering to the "strict grammar" of those days.
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#9 Re: Favourites of Patnam Subramania Iyer

Post by mohan » 15 Sep 2011, 09:03

Ramasubramanian M.K wrote: example in the Navaragamalika Varnam(Valachi Vachi),in the Sriragam bit, he has used the Pa Da Ni Ma Ri Ga Ri Sa--the use of Dhaivatam in Sriraga is supposed to be very rare
I have heard MDR (grand disciple of Patnam via Tiger) singing that phrase as P N N P M R G R S. I wonder if it is just MDR's adherence to grammar or something he learnt from his guru?
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#10 Re: Favourites of Patnam Subramania Iyer

Post by RaviSri » 15 Sep 2011, 11:26

It is P D N P M R G R S. Venkatamakshi's mELa sampradAya gives S N P D N P M R G R S as the avarOhaNam of srI. Dikshitar hs sparingly used the dhaivata in his srI rAga kritis. Thyagaraja does not use the dhaivata.

Patnam came to Madras in order to teach the Salem sisters. He used to attend Venna Dhanammal's concerts. Subsequently he began teaching Dhanammal's eldest daughter Rajalakshmi who in turn taught seveal Patnam songs to her nieces Brinda and Muktha. Ramnad Krishnan's repertoire of Patnam songs is entirely derived from Brinda-Muktha. The latter two also sang a lot of Patnam songs in concerts.
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#11 Re: Favourites of Patnam Subramania Iyer

Post by uday_shankar » 16 Sep 2011, 00:30

Ramasubramanian M.K wrote:PS's contemporary Thiruvaiyaru Subramania Iyer
Mkr sir, Thiruvaiyaru Subramania Iyer is Patnam's original name before it became an established norm to call him "Patnam" Subramania Iyer due to his frequent and long stays in Madras. There's no separate Thiruvaiyaru Subramania Iyer. V Sriram has dug into this.
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-an ... 623014.ece
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#12 Re: Favourites of Patnam Subramania Iyer

Post by Ramasubramanian M.K » 16 Sep 2011, 08:10

Uday,I quote from "A GARLAND(BIOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY OF CARNATIC COMPOSERS AND MUSICIANS" BY N.RAJAGOPALAN(popularly known in Chennai cicles as "Garland "Rajagopalan; In page 341 of the above volume he writes:

"His(Patnam's) advice was available to one and all. Tiruvayaru Subramanya Ayyar a wizard in reckoning complicated calaculations and rendering pallavis in Six talas simulataneously surprised Patnam Subramania Ayyar as he was about to take oil and reeled out a complcated pallavi and asked him to identify the tala ---a Quiz. Patnam gave him the answer and advised him to stop confronting musicians with inconvenient questions and terrorising them as it was not the proper way to music. Truw Greatness is Ever Humble!!!"--end of quote.

Either Garland Rajagopalan is wrong or Sriram is wrong --either way it is no sweat off my back!! I like all three of them Patnam,Rajagopalan,Sriram.

Uday,when are u coming to the US? Or as is your wont are u already here!!!!!
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#13 Re: Patnam Subrahmanya Iyer

Post by vasanthakokilam » 17 Sep 2011, 03:29

The two threads on Patnam merged.
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Post by Karaharapriya » 04 Aug 2012, 03:34

Does anyone know of a book of Patnam Subrahmanya Iyer's compositions with notation?
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Post by Lakshman » 10 Aug 2012, 06:54

There are two books that have only Patnam's songs-Patnam Subramania Iyer's apoorva sahityas and Rare compositions of Patnam Subramania Iyer.
I have collected his song lyrics from a number of other sources-Tanavarna tarangini, Kritimani malai, Adi sangita rasarnavam, Adi sangita ratnavali, Varnasagaram, Ganamrta varnamalika, Gita prabandha malai, Tanavarna kadal, Javalis, Karnataka sangitam and Sangita sudha.
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#16 Re: Patnam Subrahmanya Iyer

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#17 Re: Patnam Subrahmanya Iyer

Post by varsha » 02 Jul 2017, 10:42

https://archive.org/details/EpuduKrpa-Mukhari-Patnam
here is a lovely lesson of a lovely krithi of a lovely raga of a lovely composer.
Can someone direct me to concert versions of this song
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Post by narayara000 » 04 Jul 2017, 20:59

varsha wrote:
02 Jul 2017, 10:42
Can someone direct me to concert versions of this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7vjJDEr1Pw

From 1:06:27 to 1:53:39 in this concert by Baby Sreeram
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Post by varsha » 05 Jul 2017, 09:04

thank you !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Pratyaksham Bala » 05 Jul 2017, 19:37

This may be of interest !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfG7D4Y ... fG7D4YwZIA

And, this Instrumental by the Karnatic Band of HH Maharaja of Mysore :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpSouG3cOVg
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#21 Re: Patnam Subrahmanya Iyer

Post by varsha » 06 Jul 2017, 07:09

thank you.thank you.
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