Papanasam Sivan

Carnatic composers (other than performing vidwans)
Pratyaksham Bala
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'Shivanisai' -- promoted by Papanasam Ashok Ramani (grandson of Papanasam Sivan) and Dr. Rukmini Ramani (daughter of Sivan) -- has published a number of books by Papanasam Sivan, details of which are available at: http://shivanisai.org/publications.html

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Shri P B Avl,
Thanx! Nanri.
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Sivan's bringing up in Trivandrum makes him a malayalee according to majority of tamilians. Many among us do not care where one was born, but who he is surrounded with has a lot to do with public impression of the individual even if he she talks Tamil at home. Sivan's compositions are full of bhava and I love it.

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NOT TRUE HE IS CONSIDERED A MALAYALEE. Tamilian VKV .....I AGREE with rest of what you have written.

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I have never heard any one referring to him as a malayALee. This is news to me. He was born in Polagam, ThanjAvUr district in Tamil Nadu. His given name was Polagam RAmaiya. People who saw him often in the village of PApanAsaam, also in ThanjAvUr district, with vibhUthi on his fore head, gave him the nick name "panAsam sivan" and the name stuck. His mudra in his compositions is "rAmadAsan"

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I never knew that Ramnad krishnan played a big part in sivan composing nanOru vilayaatu bommaiya. Lovely writeup by ashok ramani
http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday ... 685199.ece

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Have Ariyakudi, Chembai or Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer sung any of Sivan's compositions in concerts? It is mentioned so in Shivanisai.org but I haven't heard them or heard of them.

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Ariyakkudi used to sing 'Karthikeya' in Thodi...then there arose 'a difference of opinion' between Sivan and Ariyakkudi. So Ariyakkudi switched to
Koteeswara Iyer's Thodi 'Kalitheera'.

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News to me. Can this be further elaborated.?
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:-) Thanjavooran ?

" The news that Ariyakudi was going to sing at the Tamil Isai Sangam after all spread quietly. Hearing, it, the composer Papanasam Sivan turned up one day, riding a rickshaw, at the door of N.R. Bhuvarahan, who was helping Ramanuja Iyengar to prepare the list of Tamil songs he would sing at Annamalai Manram.The visitor requested that NRB help in persuading Ariyakudi to sing Sivan’s already popular Todi raga composition in Tamil, Kartikeya gangeya, at the Sangam concert. Ariyakudi had recorded the song and the disc had drawn public attention
to the fine kriti. NRB replied that the list of songs for the evening had already been prepared and forwarded to the Sangam officials for printing. But he said he was sympathetic and would convey Sivan’s wish to Ariyakudi. When, a day or two later, Bhuvarahan broached the subject to Ramanuja
Iyengar, the latter asked him: “What! Don’t you know that Sivan has filed a suit against me for recording the song without prior permission?” NRB had really, not known about it and he was both intrigued and embarrassed. Ariyakudi then said: “Alright tell him [Sivan] that I’ll sing the song at the Sangam if he withdraws the case and extends his apologies.” He added that likely some Mylapore lawyer had misguided Sivan to file the suit.
Bhuvarahan conveyed this proposition to Sivan and the composer quickly accepted it, admitting that he had indeed been persuaded to file suit against
Ariyakudi by a lawyer who had argued that the frontranking musician was making lots of money from the disc while he, Sivan, was left with nothing. With the matter amicably settled, it was agreed that Sivan would attend the Sangam concert. Ariyakudi asked Bhuvarahan to inform Rajah Sir Muthiah Chettiar about it and to arrange transport for Sivan also. When he heard that Arivakudi would be singing one of Sivan’s songs and that the composer wished to he present on the occasion. Chettiar immediately arranged to have a car pick up Sivan and also Bhuvarahan who was to accompany him."

P. ORR

[ From 'Sruti' magazine ]

During "that " intermediate period, Ariyakkudi , who wanted an equally strong Tamil Thodi , started singing "Kali Theera". Afterwards, he used to sing either one. All his disciples learnt both songs from him.

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Thank you. Very interesting events. Is Ariyakkudi's Kartikeya recording in existence/circulation? Would love to listen to this new Thodi of his. Any anecdotes of the other two stalwarts?

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https://soundcloud.com/archive-of-india ... -iyengar-2

If you search for 'Kali theera' also, I think you will find it somewhere.

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pvs [ #132 ]
>>Have Ariyakudi, Chembai or Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer sung any of Sivan's compositions in concerts? It is mentioned so in Shivanisai.org but I haven't heard them or heard of them. >>

Interesting question. Thanks.

We have established that Ariyakkudi had sung.

Chembai.... Though I have not heard it, we can ( authoratatively , on the basis of a concert review in the 40's ) state that he had sung
(at least ) " sakala buvana nAyakA" ( Kedaram) of Sivan.

Maharajapuram .... I don't have any facts ...yet; Since everyone around him was singing a Sivan song in those days , I suspect that he would have sung one atleast. But we will continue to dig for proof. When and if I get it, will post here. I don't know about Musiri or Chithoor either.

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There is an album of Shivan songs by Santhanam here:
http://mio.to/album/Maharajapuram+Santh ... %282002%29

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@Pasupathy
Thanks for Ariyakkudi's "Kartikeya...". Excellent, as always. Would love to hear Sivan recordings of the other stalwarts.

Interestingly, there's another Sivan Todi kriti , "Kadaikkan Nokki Kavadadhum Eno?" by Ariyakkudi in the list! Maybe he picked the Todi numbers.

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I am told that he composed almost 2000 songs?

Of late I have taken to expanding my collections by composer. So I kindly request anyone to put up a list of available compositions of Shri. Papanasam Sivan

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additions deletions corrections Welcome

Adithalum Unai Vittamidai - Nata
Adum Deivam - Khamboji
Ambamanam - pantuvarALi
AmbaNeeIrangaemil - aThANA
Anandabhairavi - Anandabhairavi
Andavane Unnai - shaNmukhapriya
Appan Avadharitha - kharaharapriya
Arul puri ainkarane - Saraswathi
Arumugha-Shuddha Saveri
Balakrishnan Padamalar - dhanyAsi
Boomiyil Maanida Jenmam-Ashok Kumar
Chandrasekara - sindhubhairavi
Chidambaram En Manam- kalyANi
Chittam Irangada - sahAnA
Dasharathamajam - pUrvi kalyANi
Dayevilleya Dayalo - kharaharpriya
Devi Niye - kIravANi
Devi Sri Meenalochani - Kalyani
En Manam - Simendra Madhyama
Endan Manam - harikAmbhOji
Enna Thavam - kApi
Ennai Kaatharulvathu - Hemavathi
Esaneindha - cakravAka
Gajavadana - SrIranjani
Ganapathiye Karunanidhiye - kharaharapriya
gaurImanOhara - gaurImanOhari
Idadhu Paadam - khamAs
Ihaparamenum (T) = Simhendramadhyamam
Ini Oru Kanam - Sriranjani
Jaya Vittala - Bilahari
Ka Vaa Vaa - varALi
Kadaikan Nokki - Thodi
Kadaikkan Paarvai- khamAs
Kadalil - maNirangu
Kadhir Kaama Kandan - kAmbhOji
kalaivAni aruL purivAL
Kamakshi Kanchipuranayaki - Saveri
Kamala Pada Malarinai - Harikhamboji
Kana KanKoti Vendum - kAmbhOji
Kanavendamo - SrIranjani
Kanda Vandarul - AbhEri
Kanindarul - kalyANi
Kanna Kattarul - madhyamAvati
Kannanai Pani Maname - shaNmukhapriya
kannE_en_kanmaniyE-kurinji
Kapali - mOhanaM
Karpagamanohara - malayamarutam
Karpagambike - bilahari
Karpagame - Madhyamavathi
Karthikeya Gangeya - tOdi
Karunai deivame - sindubhairavi
KarunaiSevai - hamsadhvani
Karunakarane - Keeravani
Karunanidhiye - bauLi
Kumaran tal paninde tudi - yadukulakAmbhOji
Ma Ramanan- hindOLam
Madhava Maya - hamsAnandi
Mahalakshmi - SankarAbharaNaM
Malarinai Thunaiyye - Reethigowla
Manamekanamum - bhImpalAs
Matha Innum Vada- SrIranjani
Mayilapuriyil - bhairavi
Mooladhara Murthi - hamsadhvani
Murughanai - jonpuri
Nadamaadi Thirintha - kAmbhOji
Nambi Kettavar Evarayya - hindOLam
Nan Oru Vilayattu - navarasakannaDa
Nanganallur Ezhundarul - anandabhairavi
Narayana Divya Nama - mOhanaM
Narayana Nalina - Sama
Nee Indha Mayam - dhanyAsi
Nee Irangayenil - aThANA
Neeye Paramugam - Hamsanadam
Nekkurugi - abhOgi
Nijam Unnai Nambinen - bilahari
Ninnarul Iyambalagumo - pantuvarALi
Padame Thunai - Valaji
Pamalai - harikAmbhOji
Paramukhamenayya - kharaharapriya
Parasakti - hamsadhvani
Paratpara - vAcaspati
Parvathi Nayakane - shaNmukhapriya
Pirava Varam - latAngi
Polla Pulliyum - Mayamalavagowla
Ramani Bhajithal - Mand
Ranganai - Chakravakam
Sada Sivakumara - shuddha sAvEri
Sadananda Thandavam - bahudAri
Sadashiva Bhajaname- tOdi
SamaGana Lolane - hindOLam
Sangeethatrimoorthi - kEdAragauLa
Saravana Bhava - shaNmukhapriya
Saravana Bhava Guhane - madhyamAvati
Saravanabhavaguhane - kannaDa
Senthil Andavan - kharaharapriya
Sharade - Devagandhari
Sharanam Ayyappa - mukhAri
shiva Bhajaname- tOdi
Shivaya namavenre - kuntaLvarALi
Shodhanai - Kapi
Sikkil mEviya dEvadEvanai - Kambhoji
Singaravelavan - anandabhairavi
Siva Peruman Krupai Vendum - Suruti
Sivaganga Nagara Nivasini - punnAgavarALi
Sivakama Sundaree - mukhAri
Sivanai Ninandavar - hindOLam
Sri Jagadambikaye - latAngi
Sri Ramajaya- suraTi
Sri Valli DevaSenapathae - naTabhairavi
Sri Vathapi - sahAnA
Srinivasa - hamsAnandi
Srinivasa Tava - kharaharapriya
Sundareswara - Manirangu
Swamiki - kEdAragauLa
Taye Ezhaippal - bhairavi
Taye Niye - Bhairavi
ThamasamaAmma - kuntaLvarALi
Thamasamen - tOdi
Thamasinchaka Tala - Asaveri
Thaniga Valar - tOdi
Thanjam Niye - Thodi
Thatwam Ariya - rItigauLa
Thillana - Behag
Thiruppram Kundra Vela - hindOLam
Thunai Purindarul - varamu
Ullam Irangi - Hamsadhwani
Ullam Iranguvathu - kAnaDa
Umayor Pagane - nATa
Undukuladeivam - Thodi
Unnai Nambinen - Bilahari
Unnaiallal - kalyANi
Vandarulvaai - dEvamanOhari
Vanor Vanangum - Ananda Bhairavi
Varalaxmi - Salagabhairavi
Velava Vinai Theera - kIrvANi
Venkataramana - latAngi

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A Tamil article about Sivan in Cinema
சங்கீத சங்கதிகள் - 92
பாபநாசம் சிவன்
அறந்தை நாராயணன்
http://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2016/09/92.html

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An article by Subbudu in Tamil about 1971 Music Academy Proceedings.
( when Sivan became 'Sangeetha Kalanidhi')
சங்கீத சங்கதிகள் - 93
சிவனார் மனங்குளிர
சுப்புடு
அக்டோபர் 1. பாபநாசம் சிவனின் நினைவு தினம்.
http://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2016/10/93.html

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Rigapada,

Could you please email the PDF to me? Thank you so much for your help!
My email ID is aishwaryaramesh5@gmail.com

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Sir,
There is a papanasam sivan song titled illadadai virumbi in Mayamalava gowlai sung by Dr Jesudass in YouTube but the lyrics is not available.I humbly request our elite members to please share the lyrics.

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jayasrichandran wrote: 21 Apr 2020, 06:18 Sir,
There is a papanasam sivan song titled illadadai virumbi in Mayamalava gowlai sung by Dr Jesudass in YouTube but the lyrics is not available.I humbly request our elite members to please share the lyrics.
Lyrics given here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-uEMizByM

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148->
@shankarank
nice article selected. I wish that the part about the special event in commemoration had been copied and pated as excerpt.
merely giving the hindu link is not enough as I do not subscribe to the magazine and free reading is limited to a few articles per month for non-subscribers.
This may kindly be taken as positive comment.
----------------------
'idam tharakkoodaathu' in tamizh does not have any reference to gender at all.
it simply means do not allow .

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Well I did save a copy of this article for myself. But I did not want to get into violating copy right!
You can try with an alternate browser ( other than the one you normally use) and you may able to read this one article.

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@shankarank
Sir, no copy right infringement unless the original link is not given.
We must begin with the link and give important excerpts from the article, making them brief.
The biography part is very well known to CM rasikas. ( there are lot of errorrs too). The main thrust of the article was about the special eent entirely devoted to PSivan's compositions.
That should have been given prominence,
Moreover, the main patron of Papanasam Sivan when he arrived at Chennai was Sundaram Iyer ( father of Rajam, Balachandar ) and Rukmani devi came to support slightly later only.
The problem is not at all with any browser but the policy. And many of the articles of the past decades get archived and a big task to retrieve them.
And Hindu articles are hardly of good quality ( on music) except those of Sriram V , who luckily has his own blog.
Why not have your own blog on music and layam?

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Does anyone have the notations for the hindOLa song shivanai ninaindavarevar tAzhndAr made famous by Alattur Brothers? They are not found in any of the 7 volumes of his compositions.

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I managed to get hold of the notations for this song, thanks to an artist from Kerala.

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I have received a request from a rasika for the meaning of this song. Here are the lyrics:
illAdadai virumbi. rAgA: mAyAmALavagauLa. Adi tALA. Papanasham Shivan.

P: illAdadai virumbik-keDugirAi adu eTTAdadAl varundi koTTAvi viDugirAi
A: ellAm unadu manattuLLE irukka inbam engE irukkudenr-alaindE ulagamengum
C: kAnal tanaik-kuLirnda nIrenru karudi venkAnam tanil alaindAl dAham taNindiDumO
koDiya agjnAnam tannil tUya oLi tOnrumO tunba mayamAm ulagil inbam ingirundu varum

Thanks.

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