Purandara Dasa

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hariniraghavan
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#226 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by hariniraghavan » 23 Sep 2010, 09:19

Chimayee the meaning of the song Neene AnAtha Bandhu' is already ther, just the post above your request. Pl check. ^^^
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#227 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Chinmayee » 23 Sep 2010, 20:11

did PD write any kritis on lord Vinayaka other tham SREE GANA NAADHA n GAJAVADANA VEEDUVE? and can i have the word to word meaning of NEENE ANAADHA BANDO plzzz???
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#228 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Lakshman » 23 Sep 2010, 21:14

other songs on vinayaka:

sharaNu siddhi vinAyakA-nATa
vandisuvadAdiyali-nATa
sharaNu benakanE-bilahari
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#229 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by rshankar » 23 Sep 2010, 21:33

Shouldn't it be gajavadana bEDuvE?
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#230 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Lakshman » 24 Sep 2010, 03:26

similarly-shrI gaNanAtha and nInE anAtha bandhO.
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#231 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by hariniraghavan » 24 Sep 2010, 12:27

It is SharaNu benakane, Sri Lakshman sir. Benaka means ganesha. And neene anAtha bandhu is not a song on Ganesha. Gajavadana bEduve is correct.
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#232 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Lakshman » 24 Sep 2010, 16:27

Thanks harini.
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#233 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by keerthi » 24 Sep 2010, 16:52

It is sharaNu janakanE - that it how vasantakumari has sung it, as is how lalitangi has printed it in her book.

Courtesy - Lakshman-ji's post elsewhere - mildly edited

sharaNu janakanE. rAgA: bilahari. Adi tALA.

P: sharaNu janakana kanaka rUpanE kAmini-shanka-dUranE

A: sharaNu sAmbana prIti putranE sharaNu janarigE mitranE

C: mUshikAsana shESa bhUSaNa ashESha vighna vinAyaka
dAsa purandara viTTalEshana Isha guNagaLa pogaLuvE


And it is beDuvE not bEduvE
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#234 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Sreeni Rajarao » 24 Sep 2010, 16:59

Keerthi,

I would think it is bEDuve or bEDuvE.

You are saying "And it is beDuvE not bEduvE"

Could you please clarify why you are saying it is beDuvE?
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#235 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Lakshman » 24 Sep 2010, 17:57

re: janakana or benakana, I would check other kannaDa sources. Just because MLV has sung it as janakane doesn't make it right.
Another example: MSS has sung kiyO bahAr nIr instead of kiyO bAhar nIr in the song hari tum harO. I was told by many north Indians that bAhar is the correct word here.
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#236 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by rshankar » 24 Sep 2010, 21:02

Lakshman wrote:Another example: MSS has sung kiyO bahAr nIr instead of kiyO bAhar nIr in the song hari tum harO.
Lji - I can say with absolute certainty that Smt. MSS does indeed sing it as bAhar nIr and not as bahAr nIr. bAhar (out of) nIr (the water) - is the right phrase. bahAr nIr would be water and the gentle spring breeze (bahAr) - meaningless in this context. There are precious few musicians whose pronunciation I have little or no doubts about (and by that I mean attention to 'b'/'bh', 'k'/'kh' and so on), and Smt. MSS is atop that list.
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#237 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Lakshman » 24 Sep 2010, 22:35

rshankar: I distinctly remember listening to an early recording of hers where she sings it the way I mentioned. Maybe in later renderings she had corrected the word. I will try and locate the clip.
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#238 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by hariniraghavan » 25 Sep 2010, 14:04

Both Prof. S.K. Ramachandra Rao and Aralu Malige Parthasarathy who are authorities on Purandara Sahitya have put it as saraNu Benakane And even though I don't remember the artists' names I have heard some of the karnataka artists sing it as Benakane. And benaka definitely means ganapathi.
One more person who is an authority on the works of purandaradasa and the trinity, who is inspired by the works of Dr.L.Rajarao is Vidwan C.K. Sankara Narayanarao and he writes it as 'benakane', i n his book 'Sri Purandaradasara Krithigalu'. I can always check with Dr.R.K.Srikantan. I will be meeting him shortly.
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#239 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by hariniraghavan » 25 Sep 2010, 14:07

I feel we should go by what the kannada people say in this matter. Tamil artists have the weakness of pronouncing the kannada words wrongly at gtimes.
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#240 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by keerthi » 25 Sep 2010, 15:05

Sreeni Rajarao wrote:Keerthi,

I would think it is bEDuve or bEDuvE.

You are saying "And it is beDuvE not bEduvE"

Could you please clarify why you are saying it is beDuvE?
I am terribly embarrassed. To think that there is a correction in my correction of a correction. Srini Sir.. All I can do is use the eloquent smiley :$


I stand corrected, in this matter.

Lakshman sir, and Smt. Harini,

Given that the haridAsa literature has subsisted in the oral tradition for a very long time before it was recorded in manuscripts, there are bound to be pAThantara-s, that vary. Given the equivalent appropriateness [ouchitya] of both janakanE and benakane in this song, I don't see how

a) it is an issue

b) How any scholar, even one as erudite as Shri S.K.R.Rao, could have categorically have endorsed one over the other.

b.5) I disagree on the point that we must let kannada 'people' decide what is right. I would suggest we must let the scholars suggest what is most likely to be right, using the methods of textual criticism, and critical compilation.

A kannada layperson is as likely to get poetry or lyric wrong as a tamizh speaker. And a scholar too, cannot categorically prove that version a or b is the most authentic. He or she can only point towards the most likely version.
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#241 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by hariniraghavan » 25 Sep 2010, 17:19

Dear Ms.Keerthi, this was not meant to be an issue, nor is it for arguement or debate. Its all agreed that Haridasa sahitya has come down to us through oral tradition. But when we come accross some doubts, we all refer to what has been documented by our seniors who would have come to some conclusion regarding certain matters after much research. More over when I say kannada people, it is kannada learned people and not lay persons and that too, I said so, because, many non-kannada artists fail to pronounce kannada wordscorrectly,( ofcourse some of them are modest enough to correct the sahityam when ever pointed out).
No hard feelings. :lol:

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#242 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Sreeni Rajarao » 25 Sep 2010, 17:45

hariniraghavan wrote:Dear Ms.Keerthi, this was not meant to be an issue, nor is it for arguement or debate. Its all agreed that Haridasa sahitya has come down to us through oral tradition. But when we come accross some doubts, we all refer to what has been documented by our seniors who would have come to some conclusion regarding certain matters after much research. More over when I say kannada people, it is kannada learned people and not lay persons and that too, I said so, because, many non-kannada artists fail to pronounce kannada wordscorrectly,( ofcourse some of them are modest enough to correct the sahityam when ever pointed out).
No hard feelings. :lol:

Harini.
Smt. Harini,
This is going to need a lot of smiley faces (but I don't use them)!

Naresh Keerthi is a fine young man and a scholar!

Sreeni
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#243 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by mankuthimma » 25 Sep 2010, 17:46

Hi !! Miss Keerthi :P
Sreeni .. you beat me to it :P
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#244 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by hariniraghavan » 26 Sep 2010, 22:22

Very sorry Sri Nareshji. I have 2 lady friends by name Keerthi. Also I do respect your scholarship.
Regards,
Harini.
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#245 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Chinmayee » 27 Sep 2010, 13:27

Smt.Harini ,of course i know that NEENE is not a song on Vinayaka.....i just wanted the word to word meaning of it.... sry if i was wrong...
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#246 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by rshankar » 27 Sep 2010, 19:07

Chinmayee - Can you please post your requests in the Sahitya forum - with a new topic for each one of them?
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#247 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by hariniraghavan » 27 Sep 2010, 21:12

Chinmayee I will post the word by word meaning of Neene anAtha....... in a while. If somebody else does it by then, fine.
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#248 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by keerthi » 28 Sep 2010, 11:00

Its perfectly alright, smt. harini..
Thanks for your appreciation of my non existent scholarship.
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#249 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by venkatakailasam » 30 Apr 2011, 11:19

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http://e-swari.blogspot.com/

at the following link:
http://e-swari.blogspot.com/2011/04/son ... adasa.html

75 songs have been posted so far for listening.

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#250 Re: Purandara Dasa

Post by Pratyaksham Bala » 01 May 2011, 11:32

venkatakailasam:
Thanks a lot!
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