Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Carnatic composers (other than performing vidwans)
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Post by srikant1987 » 28 Jul 2008, 07:35

Arasi wrote:OVK's verbosity is endearing because he is overwhelmed with his love for Krishna and he can't but gush the way he does! ... Minimalism is becoming of poetry but OVK is one of the exceptions.
RShankar wrote:Until fairly recently, OVK's compositons were considered 'fit' only for dances.
But indeed, they are always set to madhyamakAlam and dhurita kAlam, except maybe some songs in miSracApu.

Since the trinity, especially Dikshithar, vilambakAlam and madhyamakAlam are largely preferred in the "pure music" domain.
ifcm_rfi wrote:Here is another excellent composition. It is fairly well known but the word flow is remarkable. The pallavi and anupallavi are in tisra gati. The charanam is mostly in chaturashram but goes to tisram in the last line.
And they make so much hype about Sankari Sankuru! I have read someone say that there has been no "reply" to such a rhythmic setting after Shyama Shastri. While that is true, that had Shyama Shastri known this song, Sankari Sankuru itself forms a "reply" was not mentioned.
dancingmaiden wrote:I wonder if there are any contemporary (in the past 200 years) composers who can claim - like OVK did - that they learnt music directly through a spiritual revelation.
These days one would be ridiculed and ostacrised if they made such a claim. In fact, I wonder if OVK wasn't punished for making such claims when he was alive. (That might have been a major factor in keeping his popularity down until recent years.)
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#77

Post by ksl » 27 Dec 2008, 01:29

paal vadiyum mugam: meaning please...
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#78

Post by rshankar » 27 Dec 2008, 07:44

I think it has been translated. The search function is playing truant.
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 28 Dec 2008, 02:05

Ravi, same here. I tried my level best to search for the previous translation by you but could not find it.
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Post by keerthi » 29 Dec 2008, 18:46

OothukAdu venkata subbaiyer was really as great a poet as he was a tunesmith. The words of his sanskrit songs reveal a remarkable degree of virtuosity and talent. Also he has used several ragas which were thought of as having become popular in the thyagaraja-dikshitar-shama shastri period. To illustrate, he has compositions in Umabharanam, dwijavanti, kuntalavarali etc..
The saptaratnas epitomise his excellence. The gowla krthi - Aganithamahima puts on record unusual phrases like srgmrmpn, which I am sure was part of the old treatment of Goula, but is now frowned upon.
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 30 Dec 2008, 00:54

"dwijavanti" is an interesting case. We are given to understand that it was imported by MD. Do we know that OVK himself tuned it in dwijavanthi?
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Post by keerthi » 31 Dec 2008, 11:40

Like annamacharya, he has only left behind the sAhityam and the the family of needamangalam Krishnamurthy bhAgavatar was involved in singing/notating/teaching and popularising them.
It is a fallacy that MD imported Jaijaivanti, as Annamacharya, Margadarshi Sheshayyangar and Kshetrayya all predecessors of MD have used this raga.
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#83

Post by rshankar » 15 Feb 2009, 06:34

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... playnext=1

A beautiful set of video clips with the group dancing to OVK's tunes - while pleasing, and extremely refreshing at first, I was not able to detect deep meaning/involvement, and by the time I got to the last video clips, a sort of ennui had set in. Nevertheless, an awesome attempt.
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Post by S.NAGESWARAN » 17 May 2009, 09:02

Authentic information’s about Sri Oothukadu venkatasubbaiyar is available in Web sites and from many sangeetha upanyasams by many Vidwans [Notably Sri Needamangalam Krishnamurthy Bhagavather].

However, I have an illusion about this maha kavi as to how he would have composed the immortal krithis.

During his period Oothukadu village would have been in the midst of forest.

Sri Venkata kavi must have lived in a parnasala like home with a big tree in front of his home. A raised platform around the tree is the place where Venkata kavi will be sitting and relaxing."
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Post by cradle » 20 May 2009, 21:54

Nageswaran sir, thanks for starting this post. I love Sri OothukAdu Venkata Kavi's compositions. His SaptharatnAs are some of the best compositions created. Some wonder whether Sri ThyAgarAja SwAmi was inspired by these compositions to come up with his PancharatnAs. Sri Venkata Kavi's knowledge of Sanskrit is tremendous and has used some rare phrases in his works that you won't find even in DiKshitar kritIs. I wish the artists, these days, sing some of his rarer compositions such as the NavAvarNaMs which are in some rare rAgAs and tALAs in addition to the more common ones that are sung in the tukkaDA section of the concert. Too bad we may have lost some of his compositions today. Long live the glory of this great poet!!

As an aside, does anyone know where OothukAdu is located? Thanks.
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Post by rajeshnat » 20 May 2009, 22:32

Mods
Can you sweep this thread as there is already a OVK thread in
http://rasikas.org/forum/viewtopic.php? ... vk-p4.html

Cradle
OothukAdu is near thirukkarugAvur near tanjore . More info is there in wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oothukadu

(mod note: Done)
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Post by krishnaa » 25 Jul 2009, 22:20

I was searching for some krithi of venkata kavi on google and reached on this page too.
Ravi, i watched the videos on the link you provided. Please do tell me which group is this?
i must admit, i dont have the patience to read all the posts so if it has been mentioned, do pardon me. :)
and i agree with you, although it is an awesome effort, something seems to be missing somewhere... nonetheless it is awesome without doubt... :)
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Post by rajeshnat » 20 Nov 2009, 11:34

Taking the below quotes from another thread:
rshankar wrote: Are you sure of this? AFAIK, Sri OVK set all of his compositions to tune...
cmlover wrote: When I made the statement on NKB tuning the snake dance I was only quoting somebody (I have lost the reference!). Incidentally during the early days even OVK was considered a dilution with claims that NKB has fobbed off his own compositions under that name.
CML/Ravi
I made this comment with atleast the kalinga nartana thillana of OVK in gambheeranAttai. If you look at all compositions of OVK , this particular thillana stands as a odd man out when compared to other OVK thillAnA. That too when suddenly music stops and you have few prose lines and alliteration tha dhAm tha dhAm ... dus bus etc.

With this number standing out, I was thinking possibly some one else tuned it and may be it was not OVK, possibly this number was morphed a bit in the last 100 years or so to suit dance arangetram ;)

BTW has NKB ever tuned OVK compositions , I heard thru grapevine few years back but not sure of the source.
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Post by cmlover » 21 Nov 2009, 04:55

NKB brought to light OVK. He had the 'famous' book of notatiions to which Ravikiran had access. Some do claim that some of the songs in the book were by NKB himself or that he tuned some of them. All the questions have not been answered though Ravikiran has done a valiant job! NKB was no mean musician himself!
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#90 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by ragam-talam » 15 Jun 2010, 00:46

Nice write-up on Oothukadu here:
http://www.rramakrishnan.com/Articles/M ... hukadu.pdf
Excerpt:
Since Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi is not known to have entertained any disciples.Many of these the songs remained unknown for a number of generations. The few exceptions were the songs learnt by Nadaswara vidwan, Rudra Pasupahi, who is said to have learnt them on the sly.

Kaattu Krishnier, the elder brother of Venkata Kavi wrote down many of the songs sung by the composer. He had three daughters and they along with their descendents preserved the compositions.Kaattu Krishnier's granddaughter's husband Krishna Sastriyar had a number of disciples. Two of them were 'Kutti Kavi' (He called himself by this name which literally translates to 'small poet' because Venkata Kavi was Mahakavi - mega composer) and Ganapati Muni. A leading upanyasa (musical discourse) exponent Raju Sastrigal was captivated when he heard the songs and had them copied. Few of his disciples were proficient professional musicians but they preserved the music and probably made fresh copies of Venkata Kavi's compositions. There is little doubt that quite a few of them have also been lost, especially when one considers the number of songs unavailable in some of Venkata Kavi's operas so far.

One must give full credit to Needamangalam Krishnamurthy Bhagavatar who did his utmost to project the few hundred songs of Venkata Kavi in recent times.Needamangalam Krishnamurthy Bhagavatar's father's sister's husband Srinivasa Sastriyar was a Samasthana Vidwan of Baroda and he studied the manuscripts and the legacy was handed to the Bhagavatar. He used to present special harikathas entitled Sri Krishna Ganam wherein he used several of Venkata Kavi's compositions. He also trained dozens of disciples and presented several concerts exclusively on Venkata Kavi's compositions in prestigious venues such as The Music Academy, Madras. He also published a few books containing these compositions, which in turn have helped leading artistes to learn them and popularize them further today. His wife Rajammal is continuing the good work, making the music world infinitely richer. Several more compositions are yet to get into print and are in the Bhagavatar's notebooks or in loose sheets, some of it in the possession of Chitravina N Ravikiran.
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#91 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by ragam-talam » 15 Jun 2010, 01:23

The 'Ragas Handled' section from the cited article mentions the following:
>>There are also compositions of his in rare ragas like Kannadamaruvam, Hamsageervani, Lalitagandharvam and Deeparam

Are any recordings of his kritis in these ragams available?
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#92 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by rshankar » 15 Jun 2010, 02:09

According to Needamangalam Sri Krishnamurthy Bhagavatar, when the nAdasvara vidvAn learned a few of them on the sly, some discrepancies crept in (based on what he thought he heard) - for isntance, in the tODi kRti tAyE yaSodE, in the first caraNam, instead of
kAlinil silambu konjak-kaivaLai kulunga muttu mAlaigaL asaiyat-teru vAsalil vandAn
kAlasaivum kaiyasaivum tALAttODisaindu vara nIlavaNNak kaNNan ivan narttanam ADinAn, the part in bolded font is sung as 'vAnOrgaL ellAm magizha, mANiDar ellAm pugazha, nIla vaNNa kaNNan ivan narttanam ADinAn' (MLV's version uses this text, and so do most of the other versions).
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#93 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by keerthi » 15 Jun 2010, 07:11

ragam-talam wrote:The 'Ragas Handled' section from the cited article mentions the following:
>>There are also compositions of his in rare ragas like Kannadamaruvam, Hamsageervani, Lalitagandharvam and Deeparam

Are any recordings of his kritis in these ragams available?

Notations of the first three are available in NKB's tamil publications entitled 'KrishnaganaM'
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#94 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by Sivaramakrishnan » 11 Sep 2010, 09:44

Oothukadu's Kaamaakshi Navaavarana kriti-s stand testimony to his greatness also as a Devi upaasaka.
Shri. S.Sankaranarayanan has authored an outstanding book on the study of these kriti-s.
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#95 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by ifcm_rfi » 26 Dec 2010, 20:38

Our Foundation has brought out a book by Sri Chitravina Ravikiran called 'Oottukkadu Venkta Kavi - Life and Contributions' in which most of these questions has been answered conclusively and over 230 illustrations have been given to substantiate OVK's astounding musicianship, command over rhythm, lyrics, epics and other aspects that prompted Sri Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer to place him on par with the music trinity. The book also dispels most myths surrounding him (like most tunes were by Needamangalam Krishnamurthy Bhagavathar). The book is available in Karnatic Music Book House and various other places. Several audio CDs with his Saptaratnas, Navavaranams etc.

Since Sri Ravikiran's research is bringing to light several new facets of this great composer (for instance Kattu Krishna Iyer was not his older brother but his nephew), we are planning to bring a new edition of the book with much more significant information in due course :D .

Regards,
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#96 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by vasanthakokilam » 14 Feb 2011, 01:09

Part 1 of the 2 part series on OVK by Ravi Kiran: http://www.hindu.com/mag/2011/02/13/sto ... 170500.htm

Ravi Kiran writes well. His authority on the subject matter is felt vividly without him claiming it overtly, which is how it should be. He also includes parenthetical descriptions of CM specific vocabulary which is very welcome.

One thing I would like Ravi Kiran to address in the subsequent article is the context of OVK's dance oriented compositions. Did he compose them for a specific set of dancers, either attached to any Royal courts or otherwise. Or they were just general compositions that were later adopted by dancers because they go with the dance genre so well. Not sure if there is anything from the available material that can provide clues to that. Ravi kiran writes that OVK, in one sense, bridges the gap between Purandaradasa and the Trinity. Well taken, and the dance oriented compositions provide an interesting and delightful wrinkle to that narrative.
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#97 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by rshankar » 14 Feb 2011, 02:54

VK - Sri OVK did not compose for mere mortal dancers. He is supposed to have visualized kRshNa dancing with the gOpis - and the compositions flowed out of him. As I understand it (and I could be wrong), in later years, a bunch of his compositions were 'purchased' from the family by a naTTuvanAr, and the compositions became infra dig as they became tainted as 'dance songs' for the CM artists.
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#98 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by Lakshman » 20 Feb 2011, 01:59

I contacted Ravikiran and he has sent me this link. Hope this answers some questions.

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/music/article1468170.ece
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#99 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by venkatakailasam » 20 Feb 2011, 07:07

"OVK did not compose for mere mortal dancers. He is supposed to have visualized kRshNa dancing with the gOpis - and the compositions flowed out of him. "

This is how the song "Adathu Asangathu vaa" flowed out. Let us listen Sri Sri Muralidara Swamigal

E'-SWARA-001-Adathu asangathu Vaa -Venkatakavi-Sri Sri Sri Muralidhara Swamigal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga-tp60DXGM

For each of the composition there can be a background, if we are able to dig out.

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#100 Re: Oothukkadu Venkata Kavi (OVK)

Post by Lakshman » 26 Mar 2011, 03:30

Here is an article on Venkatakavi.

http://www.chembur.com/carnatic/page05.html
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