Mutthuswamy Dikshithar (Krithis)

Carnatic composers (other than performing vidwans)
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balusatya
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Post by balusatya » 25 Jun 2008, 23:11

MD noted for inserting raga mudra deftly in kritis there may be some for which it is not available-e.g.,Thyagaraja namaste-Begada.

I request the elite forum to dwell on this subject.
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balusatya
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#277

Post by balusatya » 25 Jun 2008, 23:12

Thyagarajaya....
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balusatya
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Post by balusatya » 25 Jun 2008, 23:22

Couple of other kritis in Begada including Vallabha.. also donot bear the raga mudra.
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mohan
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Post by mohan » 26 Jun 2008, 08:03

I have heard a recording of an excellent lec-dem by Dr Sundar about Dikshitar. He has covered several aspects of Dikshitar's mastery of music, sanskrit etc in depth with musical illustrative examples. I am not sure where on the net this is still available.
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balusatya
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Post by balusatya » 27 Jun 2008, 07:32

Also read the excerpts from Lec-Dem reported under Music &Festivals.By the way,how to use the quote option from the other threads in Music Forum/
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VK RAMAN
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Post by VK RAMAN » 27 Jun 2008, 07:43

Copy the message you want to quote, and use the quote icon and paste in between "quote/quote"
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ts
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Post by ts » 27 Jun 2008, 21:25

balusatya wrote:Couple of other kritis in Begada including Vallabha.. also donot bear the raga mudra.
In the krithi shrImatasivavamanke...anupallavi piece
cit pratibimbe galajita samke... has the sucharita raga mudhra
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Post by vgvindan » 28 Jun 2008, 11:54

Is there any composition and rendering in the rAga 'gauri vElAvali' other than Dikshitar's 'kaumAri gauri'?
I am hearing the song rendered by Chitti Babu - it is mesmerising.
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rajeevsid
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Post by rajeevsid » 20 Jul 2008, 09:38

Does Anyone have aanjaneyam by MD in sankarabaranam.. ?
please share it if possible..
returning to this forum after a long busy gap.. ;)!!
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PUNARVASU
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Post by PUNARVASU » 29 Aug 2008, 02:58

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Post by vs_manjunath » 29 Aug 2008, 19:55

vgvindan wrote:Is there any composition and rendering in the rAga 'gauri vElAvali' other than Dikshitar's 'kaumAri gauri'?
I am hearing the song rendered by Chitti Babu - it is mesmerising.
This song was also sung Balamurali.
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coolcrave
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Post by coolcrave » 11 Apr 2009, 12:25

i noticed MD has mention about nAgaliHNga a devotee

via :

abhayAmbA nAyaka harisAyaka in ananda bhairavi - nAgaliHNga bhaktAbhISTaprada

abhayAmbA jagadambA rakSatu in Kalyani - bhakta nAgaliHNga paripAlinI

Who is this devotee ? is there any reference of the myth for the above ?
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chingan
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Post by chingan » 20 Apr 2009, 16:48

davalangi wrote:CML sir - The controversy was probably about the use/non-use of pratimadhyamam in gauLipantu. Kalpagam mAmi plays krShNAnanda with suddhamadhyamam whereas SRJ introduces the pratimadhyamam as the anya swaram. He contests that gauLipantu "needs" the anya swaram for its survival ;) Here are the renditions of dIkshitar's krShNAnanda by both of them:

http://rapidshare.de/files/3092339/gauLipantu.mp3.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/3092389/SRJ- ... u.mp3.html
I will be really great full to you if you can again load these two songs or attach those two songs as mp3 files to my mail id [email protected]. I am having Bombay Jayasri's rendering of this song sung in a concert. She is also using pradhi madhyamam.
Narasimhan
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balusatya
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Post by balusatya » 20 Apr 2009, 17:55

Has this forum ever covered MD's kritis related to places-Khehtra kritis.?
If not, why not we start one now?Let me recollect a few of them.
*He is believed to have covered (courtesy Dr.Sundar's recent thematic concert in Hamsadhwani)atleast
58 places starting from Nepal down to kallidaikurichi-Tirunelveli Dist.
Sri Lakshmi varaham-Abohi-kallidaikurichi.
Sri Krishnam Bajamanasa-Todi-Guruvaur.
Shodasa ganapathis 16-Tiruvarur.
Soundarajam-Brindavana sarangaNagapatinam
santhanagopala krishnam-kamas-mannargudi.
Chidambaram,vaidiswaran koil,Mayiladudurai,
Panchalinga shektra kritis-Kanchepuram,Tiruvanaikaval,tiruvannamalai,Kalahasti,Chidambaram.
Kumbakonam.,Swamimalai,,Tiruchendur,Tirupathi,Tirutani,.Kazhugumalai,Alagarkoil?Madurai,Tiruvaiyaru(Dharmasamvardani),Tiruvottiyur,Tiruudaimarudur,Akshayalingavibho-keevalur near Tiruvarur.Spelt out clearly in [email protected] maintained by Arcot nawab family.
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Sam Swaminathan
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Post by Sam Swaminathan » 02 Jul 2009, 06:37

An article in The Hindu to-day - makes interesting reading....

http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/02/stories ... 520200.htm
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mohan
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Post by mohan » 07 Aug 2009, 09:15

There are a few krithis of Dikshitar such as
- Sri Krishnam, Thodi
- Akhilandeswari, Dwijavanti
- Mahasuram, Shanmughapriya

which are considered to be wrongly attributed to Muthuswamy Dikshitar. Does anyone have any idea who actually composed these krithis then?
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Post by srinivasrgvn » 07 Aug 2009, 18:22

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Post by mohan » 07 Aug 2009, 18:46

Ravikiran interviewed DK Pattammal.
RK: I would like you to clarify a few doubts about Dikshitar kritis. Subbarama Dikshitar has put together 250 keertanas in Sangeetha Sampradaya Pradarshini and we all accept that as authentic. But now, many songs that are not in that collection are also passed off as Dikshitar kritis. How authentic are these?

DKP: Yes. There are many spurious songs attributed to Muthuswami Dikshitar. Some such as the popular kriti "Akilandeswari", in Dwajawanthi, are not Dikshitar kritis. But they are all passed off as his. T.L.Venkatarama Iyer made a specific point when he said that "Akilandeswari" was not Dikshitar's kriti.
Full interview at http://www.tamilnation.org/hundredtamils/pattammal.htm
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Post by srinivasrgvn » 13 Aug 2009, 08:03

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Post by keerthi » 13 Aug 2009, 10:32

srinivasrgvn wrote:Just reviving the thread.... Can somebody please tell why the above kritis are wrongly attributed to MD? Can someone possibly talk to a MD expert and confirm, please?

Not sure if this answers your question.. But I think these facts are relevant..

1. There is a corpus of 480 odd krti-s all in Sanskrit (+2 in manipravALa,1 in telugu) available, which have the signature 'guruguha'..

ALL of these do not demonstrate a consistency in the kRti structure, quality of language used and poetic devices like yati,prasa etc..

2. There have been a few composers, in the dIkSita lineage, who used the same signature..

SubbarAma DIkshitar, who composed in both telugu and SanskRt, and his son Mutthuswamy (Ambi) DIkshitar have used the same 'mudra'... the term 'guruguha' seems to have been in vogue, in srIvidya parlance, even before MD's times..

the word figures in songs attributed to UttukADu V.S kavi and also in songs of the later composer J.C.Wodeyar of Mysore..

3. While we can try and distinguish the 'genuine' songs from the 'spurious' or interpolated ones by the methods of critical editing - looking for linguistic patterns, stylistic motifs in the architecture of the songs etc, these methods are speculative at best..


4. The major sources for MD's songs were SubbarAma dikshitar, MD's 'grand nephew', who gave us the sangIta sampradAya pradarshini; and his son Ambi dIkshitar..

T.L.VenkataramaNayyar, the brothers AnantakRSnayyar and sundaramayyar and kallidaikurichi VedAnta bhAgavatar very involved in the active teaching,propogation and publication(not TLV) of krti-s attributed to dIkSitar..

Other branches of the diksitar disciplinary lineage were represented by the

sAttanUr pancanada ayyar -->T.Natarajasundaram piLLai-->T.N.swaminAtha piLLai--> students in central college of carnatic music..
AND

sAttanUr pancanada ayyar --> vInA dhanammAL--> her daughters, grand-daughters(Brinda-Mukta, balasaraswati) etc.--> B-M's students..
(PANJU AYYAR)



It is difficult to put one's finger on the exact point, in the course of this oral-aural transmissin scheme, where these 'interpolations' took place, as we have no reason to doubvt the good intent or integrity of all these musicians..
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Post by srinivasrgvn » 13 Aug 2009, 11:06

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Post by gn.sn42 » 13 Aug 2009, 11:22

keerthi wrote:While we can try and distinguish the 'genuine' songs from the 'spurious' or interpolated ones by the methods of critical editing - looking for linguistic patterns, stylistic motifs in the architecture of the songs etc, these methods are speculative at best..
Surely not? While you can argue that such analytical conclusions do not give us complete certainty, properly carried out analyses should give us much better than merely speculative results. Similar techniques are used in art, literature, and so on; and as the knowledge and techniques get better over time, the results get closer and closer to being definitive.
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Post by gn.sn42 » 13 Aug 2009, 11:23

Is it just me, or is the thread formatting whacky after post 266?
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 13 Aug 2009, 11:51

It was not just you. One of the quotes did not have a matching end quote and so all new posts were getting gobbled up as part of this massive quote ;) The forum software usually does not allow such mismatched quotes but somehow it had gotten in. I have fixed it now. ( It is possible that ramakriya's post got truncated even prior to whatever I did to fix it )
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Post by girish_a » 13 Aug 2009, 15:15

Feeling sad that Akhilandesari is not an MD kriti. Was listening to it just this morning.
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