T.M. Thyagarajan (TMT)

Carnatic composers (other than performing vidwans)
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Post by coolkarni » 10 Aug 2006, 15:02

I have been wondering why it has taken so much time for us to discuss this maestro.
Especially since a large number of members here welcome ragas / krithis that are not frequently heard , in concert listings -past or present.
I find it fascinating that a disciple of Semmangudi -who had such a distinctive and unique style of his own- avoids a blind imitation of his Guru in style and content.
Take any concert listing of TMT and it is fascinating for its mix of the old and new, the rare and the familiar.
In the 80s , there were many occasions when I would see him move slowly between rows of chairs and settle down to listen to concerts - mostly youngsters -and he would often stay for the full concert.
I would be within a few feet of him , and it would surprise me to see such a senior artist taking the pains to come and attend concerts of youngsters

I hope to cover quite a few krithis here - the name of the composer has always been a blind spot to me.
It would be great if we can throw more light on this artist , through photos and links to articles and identification of the Composer of these krithis.

I would welcome others to upload similar stuff , in order to complete my understanding of this artist.

http://rapidshare.de/files/28860512/08- ... nohari.mp3

Saarasa_Samamirudu-Gowrimanohari

http://rapidshare.de/files/28865487/04- ... ohanam.mp3
Kadambari-Mohanam
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Post by sriucl » 10 Aug 2006, 16:06

Coolji,

Saarasa samamridu - Gowri Manohari - Swathi Thirunal - 2 kalai Adi

a beautiful krithi.

Kadambari Priyayai - Mohanam - Muthuswamy Dikshitar - Misra Chapu


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Post by Vocalist » 10 Aug 2006, 16:30

Even I enjoy TMT's music...I think one of the features I liked about his concerts was his interesting repertoire.
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Post by CSS » 17 Aug 2006, 22:59

As a new comer to this group, I am overwhelmed by the amount of information and music available here. Having left Madras in the seventies, I am a Rip van winkle, having missed a lot of music in the intervening period.

Sri T.M.Thyagarajan used to teach music at the Central Carnatic College and my mother was doing her Vidwan Course in 1967-68. It gave me an opportunity to attend many classes of Sri TMT, as he was affectionately known, as a ten year old kid, along with my mother. A great vidwan, he sort of spoilt his voice by teaching his students, mostly ladies, at a high pitch ( tutions; 4.5 kattai). But it was probably economic compulsion that forced him do so. After all musicians in those days did not have it as well as they have it today. One of the most sought after teachers for tutions, most of his students were from Ceylon ( as it was known then).

One memorable cutcheri that I attended of his was at Velankanni School in 1968. A sparse audience of 25-30 people had the privilege of hearing him sing Narada guruswami ( Darbar), Paripalaya ( Pantuvarali ST) and Jagadheeswari ( Mohanam) - every one of them in great form. This was all the more thrilling because his voice struck form on that day. My only regret to this day - we could not record that great kutcheri. While he did get the SK, I personally feel that he did not get the support and recognition at the right time because of his outspoken nature. Great man. Great music !
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Post by coolkarni » 18 Aug 2006, 07:46

CSS
Welcome and Thanks.
Having come to madras in 80,i can cover up for all these years !!...:D

http://quickdump.com/files/562413234.html
Click here to download
09-Sakalalokadhara-Valaji.mp3


http://quickdump.com/files/1455643125.html
Click here to download
05-Sridhara Pahi-Jayantasri.mp3
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Post by CSS » 18 Aug 2006, 09:34

Coolkarniji,
Thanks for your warm welcome. Look forward to catching up on those missed years ( after I return to Madras)
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Post by meena » 18 Aug 2006, 10:05

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Post by arunsri » 18 Aug 2006, 15:31

The composition list has a few songs that have been set to tune by TMT

The varnam - gnyAna mArgam i sby vEdanAyakam piLLai set to tune by TMT

There are two compositions of Thanjavur Sankara Iyer

mAlmarugan - varnam in hindOLam
mInAkshi tAyE - pUrvikalyANI

which are both listed as TMT compositions. May be these are different from sankara iyer's compositions.
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Post by Radhakrishnan » 18 Aug 2006, 17:20

CSS wrote:his outspoken nature.
I remember an incident happened two decades ago at Music Academy during the December season. It was the morning lec dem session,theme manOdharma in CM,one lady was the presenting it,she was trying to explain how one can sing kalpana swarAs.TMT who was in the dais intervened ,said they never used to teach students how to sing kalpana swarAs( nAnge soLiKoduthathiLe) that poor lady got upset and they exchanged words.Finally somebody intervened(I think it was V.Subramaniam)and brought things under control.He said TMT’s remark was only his personal opinion and never meant to hurt anyone.
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Post by CSS » 18 Aug 2006, 19:43

Very true. Kalpana swaras are never to be taught.

Having said that, most Sri Lankan students flocked to him in those days because he could really 'coach' the students to pass the Vidwan courses. After all, the candidate was given the title of 'Vidwan' on passing the examination !

He also had notation for the songs he taught. Should students be given notation or not is a moot point but there is a school which believes that the only way to learn music is to listen, listen and listen to different artistes and bhAnis and evolve your own style.

The point is that TMT sir's music was based on an extremely high level of manodharma, which is what he was referring to at the MA lecdem. But he had his compulsions too at certain periods of his career...
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Post by Vocalist » 19 Aug 2006, 17:42

"but there is a school which believes that the only way to learn music is to listen, listen and listen to different artistes and bhAnis and evolve your own style."

If students learnt to a certain level, this would be a great idea indeed. Otherwise, it could be signing their death warrant in CM. I agree kalpana swaras shouldn't be written & taught (like they've been doing a LOT lately, both in India and overseas). Having said that, some artists who memorise exceptionally well, just write swaras ahead of each concert (it's not difficult to change a line of swaras on paper!) then they just go and sing them. While it's pleasant and all the rest of it, I think it's just as bad.
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Post by coolkarni » 19 Aug 2006, 20:38

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Post by Lakshman » 20 Aug 2006, 19:18

There are two compositions of Thanjavur Sankara Iyer

mAlmarugan - varnam in hindOLam
mInAkshi tAyE - pUrvikalyANI

which are both listed as TMT compositions. May be these are different from sankara iyer's compositions.
There is legitimate confusion here since there are two varNAs, both in hindOLa, and having the same staring words mAl marugan murugan. One is by TMT and the other by TSI. Here are the texts.

mAl marugan murugan (tv). rAgA: hindOLa. Adi tALA. Composer: T.M.Tyagarajan.

P: mAl marugan murugan kOla dAya kumaran
A: vElAyudan vaDivElan pAlAtishEyan paNimisaiyan
mA dha ma ga sa gA ni sA ga sa ga sa ga ma sA dha ni sA ni sa ga
sa ga ma dhA ga ma dha ni sA dha ma ga sa ga ma ga sa ma ni dha ni sA
sa ga ma dhA ga ma dha ni sA dha ga ma ga sa ni sA ma dha ga ma ni sA
C: vaLLi maNavALan varam aruLvAn



mAl marugan (varNa). rAgA: hindOLa. Adi tALA. Composer: Tanjavur Shankara Iyer.

P: mAl marugan murugan SaNmukhan manam kAttaruL dayALan
A: vEl aNindu viLangubavan mayilEri vandaruLbavan
C: anbAnavan azhagan
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Post by Lakshman » 20 Aug 2006, 19:28

If anyone has access to TMT's other compositions I would like to hear from them. Thanks.
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Post by Vocalist » 20 Aug 2006, 19:49

Paduvai Maname in rAgamAlikA?
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Post by meena » 20 Aug 2006, 23:58

Lji

if u have the txt. for Sakalalokadhara-Valaji and Sridhara Pahi-Jayantasri - kji u/l, can u pl. post. thanku
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Post by sriucl » 21 Aug 2006, 14:07

Meena,

Sridhara Pahi - Mysore Vasudevacharya - Jayanthasri - Roopakam

P : Sridhara Pahi Dhayakara Vedasugochara Giridhara

AP : Yadhava varadha Parathpara Pathana Thamara Sukakara

C : Bhusuradhi Palanapara Vasudeva Muralidhara
Bhasura Mani Bhooshana Narakasura Hara Dhamodhara

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Post by Lakshman » 21 Aug 2006, 21:59

Vocalist:
I was looking for the lyrics. I already have the song titles.
Thanks.
By the way, pADuvAi manamE is by Guru Surajananda.
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Post by Lakshman » 21 Aug 2006, 22:07

sakala lOkAdhAra. rAgA: Anandabhairavi. jhampa tALA.

1: sakala lOkAdhAra saccitAkAra prakaTitAgama jAla padmAvilOla
2: agaNitaguNa grAma AtmAbhirAma mrgamadAnkita phAla mitrAnukUla
3: nagarAjavara dhIra nAnA vihAra khagarAjavAha nirgata bhavamOha
4: vikaca vArija nEtra vispuradgAtra shakalitAsura jAla shAnyEka mUla
5: bhagavan bhayApara bhakta mandAra nigama shIrSArAma nityAptakAma
6: sakala sannutaguNa sAdhu santrANa makaradhvajAkAra manjuLa hAra
7: kalita kaustubha shObha kALamEghApa bala bhadra krtakhEla bAlagOpAla
8: madana gOpAla sanmAnita shIla mudam Ehi dEhi sura muni brnda vandya
9: sArasAkSa mukunda saccidAnanda dhIra nArAyaNa tIrtha sugIta
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Post by meena » 21 Aug 2006, 23:01

sriucl/Lji

thanku :)
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Post by kmrasika » 25 Aug 2006, 08:51

IINM, TMT also composed songs??? I believe the dvAdaSha ra~njjani mAlA, "ne~njjinil niRaindiDum..." is by him(???)
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Post by coolkarni » 25 Aug 2006, 10:46

If anyone has access to TMT's other compositions I would like to hear from them. Thanks.

Meenakshithaye-Purvikalyani
http://quickdump.com/files/223516013.html

L ji
here is one I could locate
and one more
http://quickdump.com/files/612853855.html
08-Maname-Varamu.mp3
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Post by Vocalist » 25 Aug 2006, 15:39

Thanks Lakshman.

Sangeethapriya used to have the Purvikalyani piece.
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Post by Lakshman » 25 Aug 2006, 17:31

nenjinil niraindiDum is by N.S.Chidambaram.
Thanks Coolkarni for the clip.
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Post by Lakshman » 25 Aug 2006, 17:35

kmrasika:
A list of TMT's compositions is here:
http://www.carnaticcorner.com/articles/ ... itions.htm
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