Author, Ragam & Taalam of 3 Shiva Stotrams

Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 29 Oct 2011, 21:51

29/10/11

Here, I have the Lyrics of the foll 2 Shlokams, but I would like to have the
Composer (Author), most popular Ragam and the Taalam in which these are most commonly sung :

1) ShivAshtakam :
Prabhum PrAnanAtham, Vibhum VishwanAtham ...
having a total of 9 Stanzas, as per the Lyrics given in :
http://www.astrojyoti.com/shivasthakam.htm

2) Shiva Lingashtakam Mantra :
Brahma Murari surarchita Lingam ...
also having a total of 8 + 1 = 9 Stanzas, as per the Lyrics given in :
http://www.hindudevotionalblog.com/2008 ... er-to.html

TIA

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Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 29 Oct 2011, 23:37

29/10/11

3) Adding request for one more Shiva Stotram :
I would also like to have the
Composer (Author), most popular Ragam and the Taalam in which
Shiva Panchakshara Stotra : Nagendra haraya Trilochanaya, Basmanga ragaya maheswaraya, ...
is most commonly sung.

The Lyrics are available at :
http://www.hindudevotionalblog.com/2008 ... s-and.html

Since the request is NOT for Lyrics here, I have combined the 3 Shiva Stotram requests here.

PS : Also, the subject line for this Thread should change preferably to :
"Author, Ragam & Taalam of 3 Shiva Stotrams"
as I have done for this Post # 2.

TIA

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Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 03 Nov 2011, 23:14

3/11/11

A part of the queries in this Thread, has thus far been answered by Ranganayaki in Post # 9 in the Thread :
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17698
-> http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 64#p208564

My reply to her above Post # 9, has also been posted in the above Thread as Post # 13 :
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 85#p208585

In Pt 6, I requested thus :
"6) I think you will agree that it will be more apprpriate if we continue the discussions wrt the 3 Shiva Stotrams from now on, in the Thread : "...17711"." ie, in this Thread.

So, I hope that the future discs on these 3 Shiva Stotrams wrt Author, Ragam & Taalam (if applicable), will continue henceforth in this Thread.

I would like to reiterate that we already have the info about the Lyrics of these 3 Shiva Stotrams.

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mohan · Post by **mohan** » 04 Nov 2011, 04:19

Siva panchakshara sthotram is attributed to Adi Sankara. The meter for the sloka is suited to khanda chapu.

The tune has been set by various people. See discussion on my version at http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=493 perhaps the audio links have expired but I will try to update over the weekend.

Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 04 Nov 2011, 09:02

4/11/11

Mohan, Thanks for the Composer Name (= Adi Shankaracharya), Taalam (suited to Khanda Chapu) and varied Ragams for the :
3rd Shlokam : Shiva Panchakshara Stotram : Nagendra haraya Trilochanaya, Basmanga ragaya maheswaraya, ...

Thanks for the link : http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=493, but as you expected, the rapidshare link given in Post # 1 there, does not work now.

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Mohan, Ranganayaki and others,

I would like to have similar info on the first two - as requested in Post # 1 :

1) ShivAshtakam : Prabhum PrAnanAtham, Vibhum VishwanAtham ...

2) Shiva Lingashtakam Mantra : Brahma Murari surarchita Lingam ...

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To Ranganayaki - wrt the MIO Link given in Post # 15 in "http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17698"

Ranganayaki,

a) Thanks for the link to MS's rendition of Shiva Panchakshara Stotram : Nagendra haraya ... :
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/#/album ... shmi_MS_1/

b) I feel the 2 Ragams are Yamuna KalyANi and Revati ? (Revati also for the last Phalashruti ?)
ie, Revati ? instead of Shiva Ranjani wrt yr reading.

c) As examples, I have uploaded 2 songs sung by the great expert M Santanam, in the Ragams :
Revati and Mishra ShivaRanjani (this 2nd one is his own comp) :

- 11_MSM_Aparadhi_Naan_Revathi.mp3 :
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ujpc2q

- MSntnm-LGJ-VR-Vku 05 Tillana-Muruga-Mshr ShvRnjni-Adi-MSntnm.mp3 :
http://www.sendspace.com/file/hnrwiw

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d) As requested in Post #13 : http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17698, it will be preferable if you write yr comments wrt Shiva Panchakshara Stotram and the other 2 Shiva Stotrams in THIS Thread.

Discs wrt Meenakshi Pancharatnam can continue in ...17698.

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mohan · Post by **mohan** » 04 Nov 2011, 14:51

Sundar see http://soundcloud.com/mohanayyar/panchaksharamalika for an updated audio link of my version

Ranganayaki · Post by **Ranganayaki** » 04 Nov 2011, 19:42

Sundar, Can't agree with revathi for second raga.. I hear a chatushruti daivatam which even if interpreted as nishadham, will make it a shudda nishadham. Revati needs a kaishiki nishadham - N2. Shivaranjani continues for the Phalashruti/Phalastuti.

In the line "Chandraarka VaishwaaNara Lochanaaya" The syllables "Vaishwaa na" are sung at D2, and Revati, if I am not mistaken, uses a N2, just a half note higher. And the "naaya" of "lochanaaya" is at Ga and Revati does not use a Ga. Still think it is Shivaranjani. Please correct me if I am wrong with an explanation (like mine).

Wish one of you stronger in raga id would weigh in and settle these questions - here and in the meenakshi pancharatnam thread.

Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 04 Nov 2011, 22:36

4/11/11

Mohan, Thanks for the Link.

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>> Ranganayaki wrote : Please correct me if I am wrong with an explanation (like mine).

Ranganayaki,

I am not an expert like you - I have already said this before.
You may be right, but I am not sure.

Just by sheer frequent listening to many songs in the same Ragam, mostly sung or played by great Singers / Artists, a certain memory is ingrained in me, and that is the only way by which I recognise Ragams, and any subtle diffs when deviations are encountered.

So, I can't give any "explanation" - like you, rich in Musical terms.

That is why I uploaded the 2 songs by M Santanam as examples - one in Revati and one in ShivaRanjani.

Oh, BTW, in the process that I described above, I can recognise Shiv Ranjani as the 3rd Ragam in the Shiva Panchakshara Malika link uploaded by Mohan.

Anyway, let us wait for some more members to voice their opinion on the 2nd Ragam.

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rshankar,

Thanks for yr comments on MS's rendition of Shiva Panchakshara Stotram in Post # 16 in "...17698"

Being a great fan of MS, I then read this article completely :
http://sarpasutra.blogspot.com/2011/09/ ... durai.html

Wrt Post # 16, I would like to know what "IIRC", "Cienu" are.
Is "Cienu" a short form of someone's name ?
Who is Shri KV ?

And since you also mentioned "sr", I now have doubts if I was right when I felt that the 2nd Ragam was like Revati ??

I am replying in this Thread, since as I wrote before, this thread is for the 3 Shiva Stotrams.

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We have been discussing wrt the 3rd Shiva Shlokam.

But, wrt Post # 1, with which this Thread started !, wish some one lets us know the Composer (Author), most popular Ragam and the Taalam in which these are most commonly sung :

1) ShivAshtakam :
Prabhum PrAnanAtham, Vibhum VishwanAtham ...

2) Shiva Lingashtakam Mantra :
Brahma Murari surarchita Lingam ...

As I said before, we already have the Lyrics.

TIA

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Ranganayaki · Post by **Ranganayaki** » 05 Nov 2011, 03:37

Sundar Krishnan wrote:4/11/11

Ranganayaki,

I am not an expert like you - I have already said this before.
You may be right, but I am not sure....

Sundar,

Please, I am no expert.
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Did not meant to sound pedantic or offend you. I was trying to use objective information like swaras to explain. "Like mine" was addressed to others, not you, but I wasn't clear.

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This is for Ravi (rshankar):

Sundar said:

And since you also mentioned "sr", I now have doubts if I was right when I felt that the 2nd Ragam was like Revati ??

Sundar and I have both been confused by your acronyms and now this abbreviation.

When I read sr, I did not connect it to Shivaranjani, and it is only on reading Sundar's comment above do I realize that it is a possibility. I thought you meant that MSS changed her version to the YK (Yamuna Kalyani), Sister version!!!

, like a sister version of the same song. So may be you did weigh in. Please confirm.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 05 Nov 2011, 08:10

Sorry...YK= yamuna kalyANi; SR=Sivaranjani....
Sri KV is Sri K Venkataraman, who tuned many of the songs immortalized by Smt. MSS. Cienu is one of our members...

Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 05 Nov 2011, 10:16

5/11/11

rshankar,

Still one acronym is left out ... what is "IIRC" - an abreviation for a name of a member ? or an acronym for some phrase ?, like for eg, we all recognise BTW or ImHO etc ??

And, as Ranganayaki writes : >> So may be you did weigh in. Please confirm.
- would like to know more from you on the process of diff Tunes that this song went through, and may be you can confirm the current final 2nd Ragam - SR or Revati too, this way.

As you wrote in Post # 16 in "...17698" :
>> Smt. MSS' version changed a bit, based on Sri TS' perception of how it should sound...and Sri KV obliged with the yk, sr version.

rshankar, I would like to have yr views on this because reading yr posts in this Forum over the years, I have gathered that you are a great ardent fan of MS, and probably have volumes of related info about MS, her Music, her life etc.
Indeed great thanks to you for writing a line about Gowri's talk - that made me search through the net for a link, and then, I finally read the whole transcript of her Talk. Only regret is that the link did not have / upload any of the Photographs !

Just as an aside : BTW, initially, I did not understand what TS stands for (even though I knew about Sadashivam), but after reading Gowri's article, I connected it with Tyagarajan Sadashivam, MS's husband. I also tried to similarly look for KV in the article, but couldn't spot it there.

PS : In http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REtbwZzwtUM, I would like to know the name of the person who is sitting by the side of the Tambura Vidwan, behind MS on her Left side.
At 0:57 m to 0:59 m, we can see that MS gets a nod of "apprciation" from him.
Just guessing - is he this Shri KV ?

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Ranganayaki,

I request you to continue yr explanations / discussions with yr rich knowledge of Swarams - it enhances the knowledge / info base in this Forum, and it is good.
However, to expect members like me who unfortunately do not possess that high proficiency in Music, to also reply / explain their point similarly in the language of Swarams, is not only very difficult, but almost impossible (atleast for me) (Don's Dialogue cliche !).
I do understand that you have already indicated that yr expression of "Like mine" was not addressed to me.

Cheers. I look forward to more of yr Swarams-rich explanations, so that in subtle ways, I too can try to slowly learn some of these nuances over time.

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Repeating :
Wrt Post # 1, with which this Thread started !, wish some one lets us know the Composer (Author), most popular Ragam(s) and the Taalam in which these are most commonly sung :

1) ShivAshtakam :
Prabhum PrAnanAtham, Vibhum VishwanAtham ...

2) Shiva Lingashtakam Mantra :
Brahma Murari surarchita Lingam ...

As I said before, we already have the Lyrics.

TIA

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Repeating this request to the Moderator - as in Post # 2 above :
PS : Also, the subject line for this Thread should preferably change to :
"Author, Ragam & Taalam of 3 Shiva Stotrams"
as I have done for this Post # 11, and Posts # 2 and # 8 earlier.

Thanks.

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Ranganayaki · Post by **Ranganayaki** » 05 Nov 2011, 12:00

Thanks, Sundar.. Kind words, taken to heart.

Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 05 Nov 2011, 14:24

5/11/11

These are the UTb Lnks for the 1st 2 Shiva Stotrams referred to in Post # 1.
I would like to know the respective Ragam and Taalam (if applicable) in these specific renditions by OS Arun.

1) ShivAshtakam :
Prabhum PrANanAtham, Vibhum VishwanAtham ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsXY_4raJ0 (7:58 m)
Is it Hamsadhwani ? And the same Ragam for all the Stanzas ?

Composer = Who ?

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2) Shiva Linga-Ashtakam Mantra :
Brahma MurAri SurArchita Lingam ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sUEQFLdLRc (7:06 m)
Is it Yamuna KalyANi or Hindustani Yaman ?
And the same Ragam for all the Stanzas ?

Is the composer of this Shlokam = Shiva himself ? -> as revealed to Sage Yagna Valkya ?

TIA

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rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 05 Nov 2011, 18:34

I forgot IIRC...it is SMS-speak for 'if I remember correctly'. I can see Meena's face now (Meena was a member-extrordinaire of the yore) - years ago, I was clueless about these abbreviations...but with a teen who prefers to text, I have had to learn!
Sundar...Cienu would be the best to inform us about Smt. MSS' versions, because everything he says would have been authenticated by his mother, the wonderful Smt. Radha Vishwanathan...who...chAya iva pratigacchatA sadA!

Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 05 Nov 2011, 19:21

5/11/11

RShankar, thanks for “IIRC”.

Thanks also for the info that Cienu is the son of Smt Radha Vishwanathan.

But how do we approach him ?
What is his rasikas Username Id ?
If it is allowed, ... would like to know his full name.

While he may have even more details, surely, till such time as we wait, perhaps, you could give us some details of yr stmnt :
>> “Smt. MSS' version changed a bit, based on Sri TS' perception of how it should sound...and Sri KV obliged with the yk, sr version.”
Or, could you dig a bit, and provide the link to his post which you have “IIRC”ed !

I was also hoping that you would tell us (/confirm) the name of the person, who is sitting by the side of the Tambura Vidwan. Pl refer PS in my Post # 11.

PS : I have seen Smt Radha Vishwanathan with Smt MSS in many of the Kutcheri Videos.
But, I am not sure if I have seen Smt Gowri Ramnarayan in Smt MSS’s Kutcheri Videos.
Would like to have a Video link or two, of Smt MSS Kutcheri, in which Smt Gowri Ramnarayan is also present.

TIA

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smala · Post by **smala** » 05 Nov 2011, 20:14

"Would like to have a Video link or two, of Smt MSS Kutcheri, in which Smt Gowri Ramnarayan is also present."

A search on Gowri Ramnarayan brings several, here's one :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEGkwotKCBQ

Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 05 Nov 2011, 23:38

5/11/11

Thanks smala.

I have probably seen this Video itself (and some more like this) before, but did not know then that the person singing and playing the Tambura, is Smt Gowri Ramnarayan.

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Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 11 Nov 2011, 12:06

11/11/11

Would like to know the Ragam(s) of all the 5 + 1 Stanzas, and Taalam of THIS Audio of "Nagendra Haraya", uploaded at :
http://www.sendspace.com/file/pmtyw6
Thanks in Advance (TIA).

In the previous posts of this Thread, we have discussed the Ragams of this song in the MS's rendition.

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Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 11 Nov 2011, 12:55

11/11/11

Repeating request for Ragams identification - pl refer Post # 13 above :

1) ShivAshtakam :
Prabhum PrANanAtham, Vibhum VishwanAtham ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsXY_4raJ0 (7:58 m)
Is it Hamsadhwani ? And the same Ragam for all the Stanzas ?

Composer = Who ?

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2) Shiva Linga-Ashtakam Mantra :
Brahma MurAri SurArchita Lingam ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sUEQFLdLRc (7:06 m)
Is it Yamuna KalyANi or Hindustani Yaman ?
And the same Ragam for all the Stanzas ?

Is the composer of this Shlokam = Shiva himself ? -> as revealed to Sage Yagna Valkya ?

TIA

PS : We already have the Lyrics for both the above Shlokams.

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Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 20 Nov 2011, 16:30

20/11/11

rshankar,

Further to yr Post # 16 in ...17698 : >> " ... Smt. Gowri Ramanarayan in her tribute, 'The shy girl from Madurai' ..."
and my Post # 11 : >> "... you are a great ardent fan of MS"
and yr Post # 14 : >> "... Cienu would be the best to inform us about Smt. MSS' versions ..."

Fans of Smt MSS will enjoy this :
http://chowdaiahandparvati.blogspot.com ... bbulakshmi
Below, it has a full Audio collection of MS's 1967 Kutcheri in Mysore at Shrikantaiah's house : "Parvati".

What nice Arabhi : Chala Kalla – Arabhi -Thyagaraja !, and PantuVaraLi, indeed all songs by MS

It also has 2 letters written by TS.

What a great collection in those days when they did not have such Internet facilities !

Has any ref of events in this blog, or the letters by TS, been made in any of the biographies of MS ?

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classicallover · Post by **classicallover** » 24 Nov 2011, 11:37

Sundar,

The three stotras can be sung in many different ragas even ragamalikas. Normally shlokas are set to Adi, Khanda Chapu, Eka, & Trishra Eka talas. Some of them can be sung in different talas.

M.Santanam has a passion for revati & shivaranjani whereas, MSS uses revati only mostly.

I suggest that you don't dwell on the authorship. Just devotion in singing the correct lyrics gives lot of pleasure. SPB has sung these shlokas in a not so passionate malevolent tune which has too much force.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 24 Nov 2011, 21:40

Classiclover - here you go chastising Sundar.

classicallover · Post by **classicallover** » 25 Nov 2011, 14:11

VKR,

Not at all. You hv not understood as usual maybe. I only suggested and encouraged Sundar to spend his energies and time in learning first rather than too much investigative digging !!

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 25 Nov 2011, 19:55

What is wrong in investigating, reasoning, and thinking while learning. Learners need not be parrots

Sundar Krishnan · Post by **Sundar Krishnan** » 28 Nov 2011, 11:13

28/11/11

classicallover,

This wrt yr Post #21.

Thanks for yr great "advices" :
>> classicallover wrote : "I suggest that you don't dwell on the authorship. Just devotion in singing the correct lyrics ..."

But does it not surprise you that even while "advising", you have still not attempted to really answer the specific query posted in Post # 19 : that of "request for Ragams identification in the 2 specific UTb Links", (also repeated earlier in Part of Post # 11 & Post # 8 etc) ??

You may have yr style. But my style is to enjoy the Music & the Lyrics with all devotion etc, PLUS Also know some Meta-Data of the song including the Authorship, the specific Ragam, Taalam, Event's Date if possible, Accompaniments' Details if possible etc.

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