identify ragam for thillana

[ajaysimha]

hi rasikas,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Yl5BKAaSk
the above thillana is by OVK.
the label says it is in the ragam puraneermai
but there is also similar thillana by OVK himself in ragam senjuruti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Yl5BKAaSk ----->is this in ragam senjuruti/puraneemai ??

Thanks and Regards,
Ajay Simha

[Sachi_R]

Sir,. This is not Senjurutti.

It seems to be a janya of Shankarabharanam. It has the higher Ni.
The raga Puraneermai is listed on some sites as the paNN equivalent to Bhupalam. But the raga of this tillana in the OVK site is mentioned as Puraneermai and it sounds nothing like Bhupalam.

[Lakshman]

Here is the list of paNs and their modern equivalents published by S.Ramanathan in his book Tevara Pan Isai.

paN - rAgA

maTTapADai - Nata
takka - kAmbhOji
takkEsi - kAmbhOji
gAndhAram - navarOju
biyandai gAndhram - navarOju
kolli - navarOju
kollikkavvarNam - navarOju
sAdAri - pantuvarALi
naTTarAgam - pantuvarALi
kaushikam - bhairavi
vyAzhakkurinji - saurASTram
AndALikkurinji sAmA
sevvazhi - yadukulakAmbhOji
pancamam - Ahiri
gAndhArapancamam - kEdAragauLai
indaLam - mALavagauLai
puranIrmai - bauLi
pazhampanjaram - shankarAbharaNam
pazhamtakkarAgam - shuddhasAvEri
mEgharAgakkurinji - nIlAmbari
kurinji - harikAmbhOji
sIkAmaram - nIlAmbari
sendurutti -madhyamAvati

[ajaysimha]

thanks sachi and lakshman for identification
earlier to this i had written post on puraneemai ragam on rasikas but did not get any replies
here is the link: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=31734

[ajaysimha]

lakshman ji ,
if possible could you provide lyrics for cenjuruti thillana by OVK

[Lakshman]

tadaratAni udara dhIm (t). rAgA: cenjuruTi. t/Adi tALA. Uttukadu Venkatasubbier.

P: tadara tAni udara dhImtana dhina tadara tAmta kALInga nartana
A: natajana paripAla nandagOpa priyakumAra pAda sarOja hrdaya vAsa phaNi kalvida mAya shIla
pa dha pa ma ga ri kiTakom tarikiTakom tarikiTatom taka tarikiTatom taka tika tarikiTatom
tadingiNatom tadingiNatom
C: taka dhimikiTa takadhIm takadhIm takadhIm taka tarIngiNata taLAngu takatAm dhittAm takatAm takatikatAm
tALangu taka tadigiNatom tada ri ri ri ri ni ni ni sa sa sa tadhadha pa dha ni dha pa ma tAkiTa jhantata nantari kuntari
tA dha dha nI ni ni sA sa pa dha nI tarikutAm takiTa taka jhanudhIm tarikutAm takiTa jhaNudhIm tarikutAm
taLAngu taka tadigiNatOm taLAngu taka tadigiNatOm talAngu taka

[ajaysimha]

thanks lakshman for providing lyrics
but the lyrics for cenjuruti thillana and puraneemai thillana are almost same
(i doubt composer has not tuned it this way.... might be the different musical texts speak differently)

tadaratāni udara --- Puraneermai --- Ādi
P
tadaratāni udara dheem tana dinatadara tāmta
tadaratāni udara dheem tana kāḷinga narttana
AP
natajana paripāla nandagōpa priya kumāra
padasarōja hrdaya vāsa phaṇi kalpita māyaleela
M P D M G R G M kiṭagum tarikiṭagum
takatarikiṭagum takadhikatarikiṭagum
tadheengiṇatom tadheengiṇatom
C
takadhimi kiṭataka dheem takadheem takadheem
takadhimi kiṭataka dheem taka
tatdhimikiṭa taḷāngutaka
tām dhittām takatām takadhikatāmta
taḷāngutaka tadhingiṇatom P D R ,
R , R , N N N, Ṡ Ṡ Ṡ D D D P D N D P M
tākiṭa jham taraṇam tarikundari
D , D D N , N , N , Ṡ , Ṡ , P D
reem tarikutām takiṭa takajhaṇu
dheem tarikutām takiṭa
taḷangutaka tadhingiṇatom taḷangutaka
tadhingiṇatom taḷangutaka tadhingiṇatom

[ajaysimha]

Sir,. This is not Senjurutti.

It seems to be a janya of Shankarabharanam. It has the higher Ni.
The raga Puraneermai is listed on some sites as the paNN equivalent to Bhupalam. But the raga of this tillana in the OVK site is mentioned as Puraneermai and it sounds nothing like Bhupalam.

yes, sachi.
i was able to co-relate it with shankarabharanam.
when they sang the words "pAda sarOja hrdaya vAsa"
which sounded like typical nottuswaram way

[ajaysimha]

i heard that this is a tamil pann based ragam
this ragam is not referring to bowli ragam.
(it is said that ramamathya gives different lakashanas to this raga)
this raga has the characteristics of kurinji and kuntalavarali