T.R. Subramaniam

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Post by T.V.GOPALAKRISHNAN » 26 Jul 2009, 16:06

I have uploaded a concert of Sri T.R.Subramaniam to my folder: http://sangeethamshare.org/tvg/
vide S.No.1239. I thank both of you for your immediate response.

Regards,

TVG.
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Post by kam » 30 Jul 2009, 13:00

Does anybody have T.R.Subramaniam sir concert held in Haripod.If yes give me some information regarding the concert.Thanks in advance.Namasthe.
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Post by sramaswamy » 07 Aug 2009, 22:04

Where or what is Haripod?
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Post by kam » 09 Aug 2009, 12:37

Haripad is a place in Kerala
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Post by gita » 14 Jan 2010, 10:13

I tried d/l ing all the 4 parts. No. 3 seems to be deleted. Can you pl. re upload no.3? Thanks !

The other uploads of TRS lec dem on pallavi (such as the one on boomp3.com) are not working either.
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Post by rajeshnat » 19 Jan 2010, 17:14

Greatness about the music of prof TRS:
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# Around late 80's once I had been to delhi . My periappa who was working in Central Govt there used to have conversations with TRS , once I have gone even to karol Bagh residence .I did not know TRS then and I certainly did not know what a great musician he was till roughly 4 or 5 years.Roughly 4 or 5 years back I got a lot of recordings of him and also had long rounds of chat with Delhi V muthukumar who is a carnatic musician having learnt with both TRS and TNS. TRS is to me a very inspirational musician, he has achieved few things that many would not dare .Recollecting few of that

# Swara kalpana manOdharmam , especially in the pallavi . In one of his dvd's he was so confident that kanakku enhances rAgA bhAvam and he demonstrates beautifully with his student rAdhA venkatachalam. Beyond a point after any one achieves a fair degree of rAga bhAvam , to graduate and mature more one has to concentrate on layam and perhaps TRS did that in style.

# I am assuming he is one musician who at every stage of his musical career has reinvented himself. Early recordings of his had a lot of GNB like style .Then there are concerts were he has given a lot of focus on purandaradAsar krithis , to an extent one can assert next to MLV only TRS has covered so much of purandaradAsar. As such he has come out of comfort zone and presented many many krithis and rAgas that most musicians dared not to touch it even once.

# I am assuming in the second half of his performing career he has taken rare,unheard , untested krithis of popular vageyakkaras like thyagarAja and he had the daring confidence to present them in concerts. Few numbers to back up that anyAyamu sEyakura-kApi-ThyagarAja krithi and eTlaa dorakitivO -vasantA-ThyagarAja. I am pretty sure 99% of you would have not heard these unheard rare krithis of thyagarAja but when he sings these they are as good as time and tested krithis like say seethamma mAyammA etc...

# Also he has taken special interest in presenting kOteeshwara Iyer's krithi. Few numbers like shingArakumAri-varunapriyA and arul seyya vEndum ayyA in rasikapriyA etc are just superb. Also he taking some so called minor pass through rAgas like mAnd elaborated it beautifully with a raga alapana and fast swaras, if you hear Janaki Manoharam Bhajeham-maand, you will get a feel of what I am saying.

# He has popularized few contemporary composers like tulasivanam which many vidwans vidushis do,but what is amazing to me he has even taken his own era perhaps his main competitor then balamuralikrishna's composition piraAyinum perumAn in hamsadhwani? Will any musician do that , it shows so much of openness in accepting both old and new that too singing fellow musicians compositions . This act is really touching.

# There are rAgAs like say revagupti which will be sung usually as a filler and there are rAgas like pharaz which will be slightly elaborated . But when you hear Grahabalamemi-Revagupthi and Trilokamatha-Pharas , you just see with his musical intellect he connects so much of brand new fresh sangathis and they are all in plenty , to me 95% of the musicians cannot bring this kind of polish as TRS.

# His style especially swarakalpana is awesome ,he created a unique innovation which I am assuming he did it for the first time. When a rAgamAliga swaras are presented in a pallavi after doing a mini round of swaras in its parent rAgA , musicians sing the swaras of that rAga and then loop back to the pallavi line. But TRS usually in many occassions takes the pallavi line tosses in and out with lot of rAga bhAvam and then sings the swara kalpAnA in that rAgA. This is just extraordinary as a lay rasika I get more mileage of having 50% more swaras and pallavi's are more wholesome.

# His style of singing is always little fast and a lot of usages of flat notes , but they add so much charm to his manOdharmam as when the kAlapramAnam is bit fast the mridangam artist also enters into a comfortable zone and surely it blends beautifully(hear his revathi swarakalpana in few of his rtp , you will get what I am talking about). When TRS sings , sangathis pregnant with intense manOdharmam come not as slight drizzle here and there it just pours and pours ,at many times his music is so original that it takes a bit of time to come back to where you are.

# In each of his alApana , he takes a very comfortable pitch more on the high side and really goes with a controlled aggression , no squatting on sowkhyam and singing any sangathi meditatively or anything like that, However with his aggression there was sowkhyam too in his music

# He was perhaps in the shadow of the mmi-ssi-gnb-ariyakudi and just half a generation behind,to an extent in that generation we usually talk a lot about say MLV,KVN, MDR and santhAnam , but just as how S kalyAnaramAn is considered a genius , I would rate prof TRS personally as much as SKR.

# On a personal front I was bit tentative to talk with him, I took a chance once in MFAC about 3 or 4 years back to mention my periappa who was with him for atleast 2 or 3 decades in delhi.He immediately gave me his home number and got my number , he even called and invited me , once he introduced me to smt jayalakshmi santhAnam, i just chuckled i thought JS would not remember me , but she immediately told TRS he is arasi's friend. You can always see shri TRS and JS in most of the concerts appreciating and listening intently , both of them are very truthful
to the art, everytime they both walk upto the artist , appreciate their music and leave the hall. They have no ego as such that they are artists and they dont sit for the first 2 numbers and leave en mass with a gang of vip's.They genuinely hear musicians in full till the last mangalam despite their old age.

# Once I told TRS in deekshitA's concert(which was dedicated to all gnb compostions) "enna Sir neengA eppapAru GNB pathiyE pEsindrukkenga (Why is that you are always talking about GNB), you are also an equally great musician". He said 'rajesh you just dont know many musicians like me exist only because of GNB'.

# If there is a slight blemish , it was his thesis that he guided radha venkatAchalam that got published ,perhaps he took a little excess liberty on commenting many musicians and it just backfired , (just like how at times we all make few posts in this forum and then keep wondering later ;) ).

TRS is truly a very very original and creative musician who pushed the carnatic music envelope much more with his manodharmam and enthusiasm. On his shatabhishekham(happy sadhabhisekham TRS sir ;) ) I wish there are more musicians grooming like him.
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Post by mohan » 19 Jan 2010, 17:20

Nice writeup on a great musician Rajesh!
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Post by cienu » 19 Jan 2010, 17:55

Wonderful write up on TRS , rajesh :)
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Post by arasi » 19 Jan 2010, 18:36

Rajesh,
Good job!
One small correction: when you mention me, you say 'his' friend instead of 'my' friend. He hardly knows me and I'm lucky if I say namaskAram to him and he returns it, recognizing me!
A big namaskAram to him on a milestone of a birthday. May his music and his active service to it increase! May he live long to inspire the music community.
A birthday celebration took place just paces away from where I was staying during the season. My sis-in-law came specially for that from Tiruchy and said, 'why don't you come along'? I hesitated to crash the party (lunch was served too!) :)
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Post by rajeshnat » 19 Jan 2010, 18:52

BTW,
Shri TRS has learnt and is a disciple of musiri. But not even krithi , one sangathi has a musiri resembling touch, also if any of the old timers write about shri TRS live concerts I would be very happy.

I would love also to hear from his disciples who are our forumites like smt vijisubra and dvmk , to an extent only very few know about him that too with him being mostly in andhra and delhi chances of many of us knowing about him is very remote, as such mine was only an extrapolation of mp3 and my own conjecture ;).

BTW in one of our rasikas concert of PB SrirangAchari after cmlover talked briefly about our forum, he said "what is this forum that you are all talking about , I would love to intensely participate".
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Post by thenpaanan » 20 Jan 2010, 21:46

rajeshnat wrote:Greatness about the music of prof TRS:
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[Lots of insightful comments about TRS music]
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TRS is truly a very very original and creative musician who pushed the carnatic music envelope much more with his manodharmam and enthusiasm. On his shatabhishekham(happy sadhabhisekham TRS sir ;) ) I wish there are more musicians grooming like him.
To add to this list of his innovations: on one occasion (perhaps more than once) he started a concert with "smara janaka shubha charita" in behag, a song normally considered a tukkada and in a raga not touched until the second half of a concert! It made me sit up in a surprise! He is known to have taken other liberties as well (I vaguely remember hearing a varnam in the middle of his concert) like the abovementioned -- singing sangatis of his own creation on-the-fly. I think he enjoys breaking the rules, which increased my interest. :-)

But the hallmark of his style to me is the way he makes elaborate kanakku sound casual. I think the key is that a singer typically builds up the anticipation in a complex korvai and the final flourish is sung at higher volume or even slightly higher speed, almost as if in relief. :-) TR has none of that. No matter the complexity, his style is always smooth sailing.

On the down side, his voice sounds shaky when he reaches the upper sa. I don't know if it is only an occasional problem.

-Then Paanan
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#262 Re:

Post by balakk » 30 Dec 2010, 20:35

T.V.GOPALAKRISHNAN wrote:I have uploaded a concert of Sri T.R.Subramaniam to my folder: http://sangeethamshare.org/tvg/
vide S.No.1239. I thank both of you for your immediate response.

Regards,

TVG.
This is a wonderful concert. The RTP in bilahari is a beautiful rendition. The tanam almost felt like western piece :) MC even strummed the violin a few times. Great stuff!
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#263 Re: T.R. Subramaniam

Post by rajeshnat » 18 Jul 2011, 13:24

I just heard an interesting anecdote about TRS from his sishya(Delhi V MuthuKumar)and Venkatraman (dad of young vidushi Deekshita who is also TRS student) during Dr Katoti harmonium concert.

TRS in early 1950 was in a sabha at chennai . I think it was music academy at PS high School . This sabha encourages in the morning slot where in youngsters present RTP and usually lot of established musicians would be there in the hall listening as rasikas to youngsters concert.

TRS when asked to sing a pallavi confidently told the organizers to pick a raga and when mukhAri was picked , TRS sang a mukhAri pallavi . When TRS was singing the pallavi , his guru Musiri and Mudikondan venkataraman were seated in the first row , at one point when MudikondAn was putting a wrong tAlam , musiri just held mudikondan's hand and just said TRS is putting the tAlam right.

That was a remarkable mukhari pallavi and TRS got the first prize which is no surprise . GNB who was listening not in the front row congratulated TRS and was inspired by Mukhari and in his evening slot sang the mukhari main after drenched by TRS mukhAri. While speaking with TRS, he always talks with GNB and always gA gA with GNB, I never knew GNB was also in awe with TRS :clap: .
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#264 Re: T.R. Subramaniam

Post by CRama » 18 Jul 2011, 16:24

TRS is one of my favourite musicians and I have been listening to his concerts from 1980s and have got huge collection of his concerts. Whatever concerts of his in circulation today, a major portion of it have gone out of my collections.

I first heard his concerts in the Theerthapada Mandapom, Thiruvananthapuram and was mesmerised by his rendering of Bhairavi ragam in one of the concerts. The way he built up the raga was quite new to me at that point of time. He sang Balagopala, neraval at Neelaneerada sareera and he sang splendid swaras – brimming with raga bhava only in the first kalam. That entire song took 50 minutes. Then I started listening his concerts. In the next year he sang a mind boggling Teliyaleryu rama and the swaras had a dancing rhythm in them.

Next to that venue was the Kartika Thirunal Theatre where monthly concerts were held. Somehow TRS was not performing till then in that venue. I used to chat with the organisers frequently and I started pestering them to arrange TRS concert. I myself procured the address of TRS and gave them. They arranged his concert in 1984. He was supported by Poornachandar and Thanjavur Ramadas. At that time, I wrote a long letter to TRS expressing my appreciation of his music and I requested him to sing Kambodi in that concert. (Kambodi and Bhairavi are my all time favourites). Then TRS sent me a reply asking me to meet on the morning of the concert day. I went to the venue where he was staying and we talked for some time. I was a young man of 30 at that time and himself such a senior vidwan. But he was talking to me very nicely and in a friendly manner. He asked me whether I had any other requests. I was taken aback. I requested him to sing Neelambari and Kunthalavarali. He included that in the ragamalika swaras segment in the RTP he sang in Kalyani. My other request he obliged by singing Sree Subramanyaya namasthe- which he do not sing very often as the main piece. During this meeting, he gave me one of his foreign concerts containing Varunapriya, RTP Begada etc.

After this, I had moved closely with him whenever I met him in Trivandrum and later in Delhi, Bangalore, Mumbai and Kolkata. He has got remarkable memory power. He remembers our meetings even now.

Another instance. Once TRS concert was arranged in the Hanuman temple in Mahalakshmi Lay out in Bangalore.. I took with me my big casette deck to record direct from the amplifier. Unfortunately, when I reached the venue, the concert had just started with Smarajanaka subha charitha. I immediately connected to the amplifier and gave a chit to him requesting to sing Thriloka matha nannu (Pharas) and Grahabhalamemi. After finishing the first song, he saw the chit and started Grahabhalamemi. In another concert, I requested for Ninne bhajana and Meevalla gunadosha. He obliged. He is one artist who always values the rasikas request and obliges happily. I have heard numerous lecture demonstrations which are very educative and interesting

I always feel sad for two things- His involvement in the Doctorate of Radha Venkitachalam – because of which Sangeetha Kalanidhi title eluded him and his health problems which came in the way of his singing career..
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#265 Re: T.R. Subramaniam

Post by rajeshnat » 18 Jul 2011, 17:03

Crama
Thanks a lot , looking at a few songs that you have asked him (pharas and revagupti in trilokha mAthananu and Grahabhalemi), those kind of rare exploration can perhaps be done only by TRS. By any chance is there any recording of dalachina vAru in dhanyAsi by TRS , I am told that was one of the best of TRS .
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#266 Re: T.R. Subramaniam

Post by rajeshnat » 18 Jul 2011, 17:15

CRama wrote: I always feel sad for two things- His involvement in the Doctorate of Radha Venkitachalam – because of which Sangeetha Kalanidhi title eluded him and his health problems which came in the way of his singing career..
Possibly if he had his health problems bit later , I may have heard him live , definitely a missed opportunity for me.

With respect to the Phd writeup with Dr Radha VenkatAchalam( Rave) , while I did not read everything that Rave published , based on few pdf snippets that was given by jhalsik (a forumite who posted here long time back), i thought there was nothing bad that Rave wrote , I would characterize as something like "Only Rave with the guidance of TRS had the guts to write the truth, however it was a case of inconvenient truth to fellow musicians and big organizations, who took a bit vindictive stand after that episode".

IMHO if Sangeetha Kalanidhi is not given to TRS , it is only music academy that is losing in not honoring TRS.
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#267 Re: T.R. Subramaniam

Post by Rasika911 » 19 Jul 2011, 14:29

I believe TRS has been awarded the sangeetha kala archaya by the academy already!

Most of the links in this thread are no longer available.

I'd love to hear more TRS lecdems.
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#268 Re: T.R. Subramaniam

Post by rajeshnat » 19 Jul 2011, 15:17

Rasika911 wrote:I believe TRS has been awarded the sangeetha kala archaya by the academy already!
Yes he got it in 2002/2003 along with vid Kalpagam swaminathan. May be he can be an exception to get both SKA and SK.
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#269 Re: T.R. Subramaniam

Post by Sivaramakrishnan » 20 Jul 2011, 18:35

Congrats CRama for the wonderful write up laced with accounts of your personal experience with the maestro.

I attended a RTP workshop of TRS at Ernaulam during the early nineties and it was a nice experience. He made the sessions very interesting and enjoyable to the participants. On the day of his leaving the town for Delhi I invited him to my residence and he gladly accepted it. The three hours he spent with our family was full of delightful music by all of us taking turns. When we told him that our 4 year son Sundar was learning Mridangam, he immediately chose to sing 'Himagiri thanaye' to the little boy's accompaniment, that too adjusting his pitch to match that of the instrument and appreciated the child! Unfortunately I couldn't record the session as everything was quite unexpected. He also thoroughly relished the 'Sevai' prepared reverentially by my wife for dinner! We cherish those moments.

On another occasion again in the nineties I was fortunate to listen to TRS with Lalgudi at the Mummoorthi vizha in Tiruvarur where he sang 'Grahaphala' and 'samayamu'(asaveri)among other kriti-s.

Pranaams to the Vidwan.
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#270 Manasukaruga- by TRS

Post by CRama » 04 Nov 2011, 21:09

A few days back I saw somebody requesting for the above song. I do not remember the thread where it appeared. I am now uploading that song. Link:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/b3bf6p
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#271 Re: Manasukaruga- by TRS

Post by CRama » 04 Nov 2011, 21:11

The accompanists in the above song are T.Rukmani and Karakudi Mani from a concert held in Seshadripuram, Bangalore during Ramanavami.
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#272 Re: Manasukaruga- by TRS

Post by rajeshnat » 06 Nov 2011, 10:08

crama
thanks
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#273 Re: Manasukaruga- by TRS

Post by rkiran » 09 Nov 2011, 00:30

CRama wrote:The accompanists in the above song are T.Rukmani and Karakudi Mani from a concert held in Seshadripuram, Bangalore during Ramanavami.
Wow! Really nice rendering. And a Sheshadripuram concert... I miss those. Used to attend concerts there in the 80s. So many goosebump indicing memories.

I would love to get the whole concert. Can you please share the full concert - preferably on mediafire.

Thanks very much!
-rkiran.
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#274 Re: T.R. Subramaniam

Post by CRama » 28 Nov 2011, 10:38

Here is the link to a RTP in Keeravani- out of the world
www.sendspace.com/file/yv7wuh
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#275 Re: T.R. Subramaniam

Post by varsha » 05 May 2012, 07:04

Watching this genius enjoy every single concert he attends , is a lesson in itself .
I make it a point to take my son and show this great personality in the first row , as many times as possible .
Last week , Sastri Hall was witness to a fine Veena concert by Jayalakshmi Sekhar . TRS sat in rapt attention , applauding each and every one of the finely chosen krithis . Had a special punch in his applause for the delicate moments that can pop up only in a veena concert . He was in charge of the MET banner - probably he is the one to bring it for every concert and take it back - too .
It was incredible to see him keep doing all that he does , at his age .
A true Kalanidhi in my books .
Here are two clips that showcase the post pallavi ragamalika section from two concerts .
http://www.mediafire.com/?grxhxwgrk86ujfa
http://www.mediafire.com/?duwwb2p9fo3f6gu

The more I listen to him , bigger is my fascination . Such a wholesome image for What CM should mean for the present and posterity . Bradman he may not be . Definitely a Sobers .
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