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jayaram
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Post by jayaram » 03 Mar 2007, 01:31

Today is the greast maestro's birthday. (Born: March 2, 1919)

Our namaskarams to this doyen of music who has given us all so much joy through her renditions full of pure classicism.

Here's a writeup: http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~dkp/

a picture full of grace:

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and an audio clip - a lovely Vachaspati RTP: http://file.uploadr.com/cef6
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Post by jayaram » 03 Mar 2007, 01:45

(please note that some sources mention her birthdate as March 28, 1919. Given the ambiguity, I decided to go with the earlier one...)
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Post by mridu » 03 Mar 2007, 03:26

Birthday greetings to the grand old dame of karnatic music..
Thank you for reminding us of this special day.
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Post by mohan » 19 Mar 2007, 16:40

Happy Birthday Smt Pattammal.

(I have seen her birthday listed as 19 March 1919 in N. Rajagopalan's Garland book. http://www.saigan.com/heritage/music/garlandp.htm)
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Post by vs_manjunath » 19 Mar 2007, 16:50

A Very Happy Birthday to Grand Old Paati of Carnatic Music-
DK Pattammal. Last year during second week of Apr , I had the rare oppurtunity to be with her for abour two hours in her house.
What a grace, humility personified etc. Long live DKP who is an authority on Dikshitar's Compositions.
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Post by nivedita » 19 Mar 2007, 21:49

I had the privelege of meeting Smt. DKP a few days ago (on March 5th, to be exact) in her house in Kotturpuram.

As I entered her house, I was greeted by rows of framed photographs and award citations on the wall leading to the living room. Smt DKP sat in the living room, a picture of serenity. She chatted with us (my mom and I) for a while, with child-like enthusiasm. She told us that she still takes classes for students, during weekends! At the end of the visit, she blessed me for a good career in music. It was a short visit, but one that I will remember for ever.

Happy Birthday to one of the greatest carnatic musicians ever!
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Post by baboosh » 21 Mar 2007, 18:01

jayaram wrote:(please note that some sources mention her birthdate as March 28, 1919. Given the ambiguity, I decided to go with the earlier one...)
Hello,I have seen in the sleeve notes of one of her LPs that her DOB is 19th March,1919
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Post by meena » 23 Mar 2007, 10:09

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Post by vs_manjunath » 23 Mar 2007, 15:26

Excellent Article. In fact, DKP told me that the judges for the madras exam were Ambi Dikshitar, Prof Sambamurthy & possibly Justice TLV also. I beleive she sang "sri subramanyaya namasthe ( kambodhi) " of MD. Ambi Dikshitar told DKP after the exam, that DKP must have been born in Dikshitar's family and that's how DKP was taught by Ambi Dikshitar.
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Post by rshankar » 21 Sep 2007, 18:20

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Post by arasi » 21 Sep 2007, 23:36

Woman power indeed, Ravi.
We have to watch out for Lavanya now. Such khAndAn, and fourth generation too!
Ah, the sweet first lady of them all!
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Post by mdrgnb » 22 Sep 2007, 08:08

IMHO, as of now, Nithyasree has not lived up the DKP/DKJ or PMI lineage she is coming from. It does not show in her music.
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Post by srkris » 22 Sep 2007, 16:23

mdrgnb wrote:IMHO, as of now, Nithyasree has not lived up the DKP/DKJ or PMI lineage she is coming from. It does not show in her music.
Well I felt so too... she does not sound like a representative of the DKP school.
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Post by bhaktha » 22 Sep 2007, 21:58

I don't think so...her cm concerts are so deep rooted in classicism...her alapanais, RTPs and even her kriti renditions reflect the tradition that has been handed down to her by her patti...
-bhaktha
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Post by chalanata » 22 Sep 2007, 22:11

nitya has to reduce her volume a little bit.
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Post by Music » 23 Sep 2007, 08:46

chalanata wrote:nitya has to reduce her volume a little bit.
Agree totally. All said and done, melody is a must with music. Whatever you hear should be melodious & soothing.
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 23 Sep 2007, 10:03

I agree she tends to be quite loud which is jarring at times. May be they can do something with the amplification of her mike. Full throated singing brings out the bhavam that is important for CM and she probably does not want to mess with her natural way of singing. It will be interesting to hear people's experience with any mikeless concert she had given. When she sings viruththam in such uninhibited full throated manner it does produce the much desired effect that is unique for such pieces. With less amplification it can come out quite well.
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Post by vijay » 23 Sep 2007, 14:19

Notwithstanding her association with films, there is no doubt that Nithyasree, like Sudha, is an artiste whose technical proficiency is overshadowed because of her mass appeal and the occasional pampering of the gallery...like Sudha, she is comfortable in laya and is at ease in a wide variety of ragas....I remember her swara prasthara for Ravichandrika at Vani Mahal in the late nineties - was quite amazing.

The major issue is that there is very little power in the lower octave which combined with her strength in the tara sthayi, has a loudish effect on concerts and tends to reduce the weight of renditions. If she could work on this aspect I am sure we wll have a more rounded artist who fully justifies her lineage...we must also consider that she has lost a few years thanks to the responsibilities of motherood. Now she can hopefully continue to take her musical journey to greater heights.
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Post by Jigyaasa » 24 Sep 2007, 01:01

Since the discussion is now hovering around Nithyasree, I'd like to pose a question I've been looking for an answer for, for a long time now... My friends in college don't listen to CM and many detest it. They know though about Nithyasree cuz she's sung in films. One day, a friend compelled me to listen to a song for which he didn't know who the singer was(supposedly) What I heard was a lewd track FULL of double entendre titled mArkaNDEyA nI varuvAyA from a Tamil movie, New... No prizes for guessing who the singer was. I was FLABBERGASTED!!! It's a song composed by A.R.Rahman. Could this be the only reason? Or is m'am SO hard up for money that she'll sing any sort of trash assuming of course that her CM singing won't be affected ? (sorry if I'm sounding harsh. It's truly out of visceral disgust, though I respect and admire Nithyasree A LOT and am crazy abt her CM renditions)
For a live demo, click on the link below:-
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/b5x ... As1NMvHdW/

WHAT is the reason for an artiste of her calibre, repute and lineage to sing such a song?!
Any opinions?
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Post by arasi » 24 Sep 2007, 01:23

No idea, jigyaasa, but you are a bit harsh! Of course, if she sang it in a concert, that would be totally different...
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Post by mdrgnb » 24 Sep 2007, 01:46

Oh boy, I should add - About 6 - 7 years back, Nithyasree sang a stirring Neelothpalambikayam - Narireethigowla - Dikshitar. At that time, I was hopeful. But of late, the decline in her music is noticeable, possibly due to various reasons. In the concerts, I have attended, the song selection/composers could have been better.

With a youngster, there should be benefit of doubt with the hope that the youngster could become a better musician over the next 5 - 10 years. When you have a great lineage - DKP & DKJ and Palghat Mani Iyer - there are also high expectations.
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Post by vijay » 24 Sep 2007, 11:33

Jigyaasa, although I can understand your anguish, I think we should focus on the quality of an artistes CM performances. So long as they are competent, ought not to concern ourselves about what anyone does once he/she steps down from the concert platform. I had made this point about drinking as well. Our singers don't make any claims to divinity and we should not be judging them against our personal moral standards. If we did, we would shun many of the brightest stars in the carnatic firmament and the loss would be entirely ours!

Also, I understand that many of our Javalis and Padams are more than capable of making us fidget in our seats if we could only comprehend their meaning!
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Post by Jigyaasa » 24 Sep 2007, 17:51

@Vijay, I agree... But it has definitely diminished the high regard that I held her in. And worse still, no matter how much I rack my brains I can't find a plausible reason for having sung that track...
@Arasi m'am, I think you're being TOO liberal in even going as far as hypothesising she'd sing that song in a kutcheri!!!
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 24 Sep 2007, 18:51

I got curious enough to give that song a listen. What a bad song it is, without considering the lyrics which I coul not really catch on to in that one time. I am more offended by ARR and Nithyasree for making humanity suffer through such completely bland and trite melody than the lyrics. It sounds like a song made up by ARR when he had run out of ideas, stitching together some fluff folkish material. Jigyasa, you have to let it go.. Let us move on ;)
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