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#51

Post by cacm » 05 Jun 2008, 21:02

Dear Rasikas,
I am disappointed tho' not surprised that persons who have heard only TERRIBLE recordings of MVI lack OBJECTIVITY & have heard the worst of him but have the guts to write about him; Suffice it for me at least to repeat what SSI told me about him: BOTH I & MMI used to travel 90 miles by muffasil bus to hear him-took whole day!- his music was unique and unequalled. His concerts towards the end voicenon-existent thegreat LGJ PLAYED & SHOWED what he was trying to convey; IT WAS DIVINE!.......I hope the current persons remove the "chip on their shoulders" & study .,restore the greatness from the past from which todays great artists derive their innovations. vkv
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#52

Post by gn.sn42 » 06 Jun 2008, 00:46

vijay wrote:I don't doubt that MVI was a formidable force in his prime but few of the available recordings seem to do justice to his reputation. The one exception is a brief Mohana Rama which is simply awesome and ample evidence of the supreme musician he was.

Could anyone direct me to some of his older recordings (whether available commercially or on the net?). Many of my neighbours in their 80s talk about his spellbinding performances...
vkv43034 wrote:I am disappointed tho' not surprised that persons who have heard only TERRIBLE recordings of MVI lack OBJECTIVITY & have heard the worst of him but have the guts to write about him;

...I hope the current persons remove the "chip on their shoulders" & study .,restore the greatness from the past from which todays great artists derive their innovations. vkv
If vkv43034's post was in response to vijay's, I think it's quite uncalled for. vijay's post is extremely gracious and sincere.
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#53

Post by arasi » 06 Jun 2008, 04:39

Neither is Vijay panning MVI nor is VKV defending him or needs to :)

VKV,
Vijay, as gn.sn42 points out, is an extremely gracious and fine-tuned rasikA. He does not for a moment doubt the greatness of MVI. He is the kind of rasikA who makes us feel that after our time, CM will still have plenty of rasikAs and special ones like Vijay and many others that we have on the Rasikas who are half our age in most cases...
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#54

Post by ram » 06 Jun 2008, 07:27

rajeshnat wrote:My maternal grandfather who died about 15 years before used to say , it is very difficult for mridangist to play for MVI . He will break anybody's hand , if you hear 1958 MVI Academy concert , rangu Iyengar the mridangist may have broken his hand . Such speed and uninterrupted music.
Rajesh,

Not sure what you mean by breaking a mrudangam artist's hand. Rangu Iyengar was one of the all time greats.

The Music Academy web site http://www.musicacademymadras.in/2007-w ... r1958.html lists Madurai Krishna Iyengar as the mrudangam artist for the concert you are citing.
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#55

Post by rajeshnat » 06 Jun 2008, 09:22

ram
MVI was so fast in rendition ,that any mridangist will find it difficult to play continously. That was what I meant by breaking mridangist hand. I got the name wrong , he is not rangu but madurai krishna iyengAr.
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#56

Post by rajeshnat » 17 Oct 2009, 21:01

maharAjapuram rAmachandran:
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Few perspectives that I observed over years with maharAjapuram ramachandran.

1. Usually in all concerts we have a sub main and a main. But rAmachandran generally gives atleast first 4 numbers as one submain and the rest three very very close to say 80% of submain. That is his Style . So when you hear just before the start of main , you will atleast have a relative feel that this concert is brimming with music.

Having said that he loses steam for main and very likely the quality slightly(as the last kalyani in shringeri temple concert) or very noticably suffers(like last 2008 seasonof kharaharapriya in academy). After main it is always steady stream of tukkadas they are all aesthetic and exceptionally well done.

2. rAmachandran like his thAthA does not believe in giving violin returns almost every swara or neraval he cuts off quickly the violin before they complete the return. For me initially few years back it was irritating , but nowadays I just like it most of the time as breath continuity and sustained gamakam by vocalist adds a lot of aesthetics and brings more depth. To that extent hats off to him and his thAthA MVI , both are very very gutsy.

3. lalitha choodAmani:
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AN interesting anecdote about 6 years back atleast I attended a concert of maharAjapuram rAmachandran. That was in sastri hall for ariyakudi foundation where mayavaram b rajam iyer presided. BTW that review must be there in titanic site sangeetham.com.

In the first row mAyavaram B Rajam Iyer was seated ,I was seated in the 4th row along with Dr V V Srivatsa (musicologist who is an authority in muttuswami dikshitar). We both coincidentally sat next to each other .

I think after shree mahAgaNapathE in AbhOgi, when I was about to jot down the krithi and rAga ,I was not sure with the composer as to whether it was NS ramachandran or mayuram vishwanAtha Sastri. I asked DR VVS if it is vish sAstri, he said this is by NS rAmachandran. Then I said what a great composition by NS ramachandran.

Then there was some number , then maharAjapuram rAmachandran started singing an out of the world lalitA. Then Dr Srivastava just during violin return just whispered into my years , intha rAmachandran pAru eppadi evalavu azhagA lalitA krithi pAdapOrAr (look look see how this maharajapuram rAmachandran is going to sing lalitA) and then hiranmayeem lakshmeem popped out , big round of applause was there. Then in that concert the main was sounderarAjam in br sArangA .Then Dr V V Srivatsa remarked ivalavu nalla dikshitar krithiya pAdarthukku antha rAjam Iyer thAn kAranam and pointed out B.rAjam Iyer(Only because of B.rajam iyer tutoring did ramachandran sing this br saranga so beautifully).

This I thought is a great appreciation by DR VV Srivatsa who being a dikshitar authority feeling like praising ramachandran to an unknown stranger who is me and considering that DR VVS is generally not known to show any favoritism that indeed shows the accomplishment that maha ramachandran has achieved. This kind of little praises which are as impressive as a typical award

Flash forward some time later three or four years before , rAmachandran sang the same lalitA in KGS with neraval"geeta vAdhya" and swaras , voice sAreeram at its best.

At the end of sringeri temple concert I just went and shaked his hands "Sir neenga sangeetha choodAmani mattum illa , neenga lalita choodAmani". Incidentally I had a sound reason to say that he is lalitha choodAmani.

Lalita is one rAga that has not been very explored by early 19th century vidwans like ariyakudi, mmi , semmangudi . Possibly they were in that era where the battle of lalita vs vasantA :) was not closed, so possibly all musicians of that era were not committed to lalitA

I am assuming only DKJ-DKP brought lalitA to maximum limelight . Usually most of us generally think that DKJ's hiranmayeem is the gold standard. Fortunately when you hear rAmachandran you will automatically promote this musician as a gold standard lalitA singer and DKJ only comes second .There is also Smt MS amma singing hiranmayeem in an academy concert which is very good.

But the finest singer of lalitA is indeed maharAjapuram ramachandran, voice reaching that beautiful sareeram is matchless. I had a chance to talk to shri ramachandran after the last sringeri temple concert, he said he picked up br sAranga krithi from mayavaram B rajam iyer , where as lalita it was more an inspiration from DKJ/DKP school.

Note:
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There was one time where he did not get lalita perfectly, so I cant guarantee ramachandran to get lalita always perfectly. But nevertheless just hear him sing that you will get a feel of what I have penned before and more importantly connect B.rajamIyer-Dr VVS anecdote. BTW apart from lalita I have noticed he excelling in Arabi and brindavana sAranga , but there are many musicians who excel as much as rAmachandran.

But lalitA he is truly the #1, past and present, shri rAmachandran is "lalithA gold winner".
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#57

Post by cpblog » 08 Nov 2009, 23:29

Inviting you all to an audio stream from a 1978 concert at "Parvathi", Mysore with Maharajpuram Santhanam-Lalgudi - Ramabhadran - MAK Murthy http://chowdaiahandparvati.blogspot.com/
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#58

Post by unnikrishnan_n » 28 Nov 2009, 22:17

The Thulaseevanam Kruthis rendered by Maharajapuram Santhanam are available after a long gap. They have been taken over from AVM and are produced by KOSMIC. The CD is in MP3 format with a big Lord Ayyappa Picture. Please grab before the copies are sold out.
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#59

Post by Balummi » 12 Dec 2009, 17:36

Hasty message submitted cancelled. I was under the impression that " Maharajapuram" refers only to Santhanam in these columns . After going through all the letters I understand that it refers to the entire family of father , son and grandsons . My impression is that the father stands aloft verymuch above the son or grandson . Sri Madurai Mani Iyer used to say with great admiration that Sri Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer was undoubtedly the greatest Vidwan that he had ever listened to! Please forget about the available recordings of him which do not do justice to his greatness
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#60

Post by ganeshkant » 15 Dec 2009, 12:16

Santhanam's way of singing varnams were quite unique.I haven't seen that kalapramanam with any other artist past or present.Even his sons are unable to effect this.

He was offered an evening slot only in 1967 in KGS when he was 39!

As Subbudu had written

" Santhnam was singing heavy classical music till '80 and no one took notice of him but when he slightly changed his style and started singing exciting tail enders the entire world started speaking about him".

Indeed a true statement.

During 90s he used to ask the rasikas what they want for main and invariably the answer was mohanam and this used to irritate rasikas like me.Neverthless we sat through!
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#61

Post by CRama » 15 Dec 2009, 13:04

What ganeshkant has written is true. In seventees Santhanam's music was on his father's style which he changed for more popularity in th eightees. I have got 2-3 concerts before eighty and his soga suga, saramegani etc are mind boggling. He had sung Nalinakanthimathi (ragamalika) with alapanas and swarams in all the ragas..Another concert in the beginning of eighties in Ram Seva Mandali with Lalgudi and Praveen is also mesmerising.Main song- Unnai allal-Kalyani.
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#62

Post by CRama » 15 Dec 2009, 13:51

In mail no 61, I have mentioned Nalinakanthimathi- ragamalika. It may please be corrected as Sarangan marugane- Ragamalika.

In the mail no 56, rajeshnat has mentioned as Mayavaram Rajam Iyer. Is it Mayavaram S. Rajam or B.Rajam Iyer. Both are different persons. Any how this mail give me an opportunity to understand Maharajapuram Ramachandran in a bnetter manner. Otherwise I was not listening to his music. Thanks.
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#63

Post by rajeshnat » 15 Dec 2009, 14:51

CRama wrote:In mail no 61, I have mentioned Nalinakanthimathi- ragamalika. It may please be corrected as Sarangan marugane- Ragamalika.

In the mail no 56, rajeshnat has mentioned as Mayavaram Rajam Iyer. Is it Mayavaram S. Rajam or B.Rajam Iyer. Both are different persons. Any how this mail give me an opportunity to understand Maharajapuram Ramachandran in a bnetter manner. Otherwise I was not listening to his music. Thanks.
CRama
Do you have ragamaliga with swarams for sArangan maruganE , i have not had a chance to hear any swaras at all for sarangan marugane . Are u sure on that?

In post #56 I have mentioned as mayavaram B rajam Iyer only, though at one place I have just referred him as just mayavaram rajam Iyer . Ramachandran has learnt from mayavaram B rajam Iyer , the disciple of ariyakudi few dikshitar krithis.
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#64

Post by CRama » 15 Dec 2009, 15:48

Rajeshnat, Iam sure I have got Sarangan marugane with swaras atleast in two concerts. If your are in Chennai you contact me 9445070656. I can share with you.
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#65

Post by narayan » 15 Dec 2009, 17:44

rajeshnat wrote: In the first row mAyavaram Rajam Iyer was seated ,I was seated in the 4th row along with Dr Srivastava (musicologist who is an authority in muttuswami dikshitar).
rajeshnat,
I'm pretty sure this would be V.V.Srivatsa the authority on MD and various other matters. Srivastavas are mostly people from eastern U.P. and other far off places.
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#66

Post by rajeshnat » 15 Dec 2009, 22:02

narayan wrote:
rajeshnat wrote: In the first row mAyavaram Rajam Iyer was seated ,I was seated in the 4th row along with Dr Srivastava (musicologist who is an authority in muttuswami dikshitar).
rajeshnat,
I'm pretty sure this would be V.V.Srivatsa the authority on MD and various other matters. Srivastavas are mostly people from eastern U.P. and other far off places.
Corrected the post he is only Dr V V Srivatsa
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#67 Re: Maharajapuram

Post by arasi » 27 Jun 2010, 02:58

From Sanjay Subrahmanyan's blog, I came to know that he gave a Maharajapuram Santhanam memorial concert at KGS a few days ago. Were there other concerts too? Would be nice to see the song list (s) to know if some of MS's favorites were sung.
Sanjay's recollections about Maharajapuram and his music in his formative years made an interesting read. We do appreciate personal glimpses from contemporary musicians into CM's history and about vidvAns of yesteryears. From posterity's point of view, it is all the more valuable.
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#68 1979 Santhanam Concert from "Parvati" Mysore

Post by cpblog » 04 Feb 2011, 04:47

Dear Rasikas,

We welcome you to a Vidwan Maharajpuram Santhanam concert of April 5, 1979 at Parvathi, Mysore during Ramanavami. Accompanying him are Vidwans Lalgudi Jayaraman, Vellore Ramabhadran and M.A.Krishnamurthy.
http://chowdaiahandparvati.blogspot.com/

Regards,

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#69 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by varsha » 17 Jun 2012, 15:42

I have heard legendary stories of Santhanam making it to the first show of movies on friday at krishnaveni theatre . They must have been true , since he was the first to hypnotise a larger audience . He must have got the inspiration to reach out to larger numbers there .
Some proof of this is here , in his rendering of a hindi bhajan . He must have admired Khurshid . Her rendering of the classic - aiy channd chup na janna ..... ( hey moon , dont you hide behind the clouds ) forms the second part of this mixed track . The inspiration from the Kolkattan Music of the 30s and 40s is unmistakeably present.
http://www.mediafire.com/?18bcmwvyf4v5533
enjoy !!
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#70 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by Krazy4music » 20 Jun 2012, 05:28

Incredible!!Thanks so much Varsha....
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#71 Re:

Post by sreebeecane » 20 Jun 2012, 08:39

I heard his concert in Chicago a couple of years ago. Was extremely impressive reminiscent of his father. He was accompanied by Sandeep Bharadwaj on the violin who accompanied Shri Ramachandran superbly. And, the way he encouraged the young vidwan was extremely impressive.

Any opinions on Ganesh Vishwanathan - grandson of Shri Santhanam? I heard him on Jaya TV last and I haven't seen very many reviews either in The Hindu or on this forum.

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rajeshnat wrote: Then there was some number , then maharAjapuram rAmachandran started singing an out of the world lalitA. Then Dr Srivastava just during violin return just whispered into my years , intha rAmachandran pAru eppadi evalavu azhagA lalitA krithi pAdapOrAr (look look see how this
Saar saar, Dr. Srivatsa-va poyi Dr. Srivastava pannitele. :)
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#72 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by venkatakailasam » 25 Jul 2012, 18:32

pahi pahi sharade-Kalyani...

Composer...Andavan pitchai...Would like to hear as many times as possible...

REndered by Maharajapuram Shri. Santhanam... 49mts concert..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwmmxs2uV_4
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#73 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by MaamiAtHeart » 06 Mar 2013, 03:01

I was looking to read about the great Vidwan Maharajapuram Santhanam and this thread left me thirsting for more. If i could bother the moderators, would it be possible to rename this thread as the Maharajapuram legacy or something like that? Because this thread focuses a lot on MVI and his grandson. A great maestro like Santhanam deserves a full blown thread IMHO. Also, it is possible that some rasikas in this forum would have interacted personally with him and it would be wonderful if they could share their experiences. Even if critics dismissed him as a "mass hero", his fans absolutely loved his incredibly beautiful bhakthi soaked renditions. I have listened to absolutely pristine Vasantha, Amrithavarshini, Maya malava gowla etc from him. There is a group rendition of the pancharathna krithis with him leading the chorus. Absolutely wonderful. And need i even mention the famous tukkadas and thillanas? His tragic demise was an immense blow for Carnatic music. I remember that day; it was like losing a member of our own family. He inspired that much love in the hearts of his listeners. During his last december season, my parents attended his concert at NGS. He sang Meenakshi memudham and my mother talks about his neraval at Madhurapuri nilaye till this day. I remember how incredibly happy my parents were when they returned home that evening. If anyone has that song, could you please share it?
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#74 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by vasanthakokilam » 06 Mar 2013, 08:03

>A great maestro like Santhanam deserves a full blown thread IMHO

Definitely. And this is the thread for that. There are some detours to related ( and sometimes unrelated ) topics. That is par for the course. So any further discussion on Maharajapuram Santhanam can take place in this thread.
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#75 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by MaamiAtHeart » 07 Mar 2013, 02:20

Ok! I really hope this thread is revived. BTW, what is the acronym for Maharajapuram Santhanam?
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