Madurai Mani Iyer

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gokulb93
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I was not able to post the invitation to the event previously due to some technical difficulties , So I'm posting it now.

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gokulb93 wrote: Vishnu sir is the person to go to in case one wishes to know about MMI. Balu sir gave me his whole mmi collections about a year ago, and since then I have never recovered from mmi fever and probably never will. I consider it a great honor to have interacted with vkv sir, balu sir, vishnu sir and venu sir.
Gokul of 2015 equals Rajesh of 2002 .

Check this post viewtopic.php?f=12&t=258&p=120916&hilit=balu#p120916 . Also read few posts of balummi from there on. Incidentally VKV Sir gave me the most collections after BaluMMI ,there is one spectacular recording of assortment that VKV Sir did with his commentary where he also polished the audio recording- hear that to start with, it is primer of MMI.

On a personal note I took roughly 2 years to hear all those concerts that VKV and BaluMMI shared ,whenever I heard I break that whole recording and catalog individual songs like a typical songlist say samAja vara gamanA(N S)-hindolam-T .I will give you when I am back in chennai.

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rajeshnat wrote:
gokulb93 wrote: Vishnu sir is the person to go to in case one wishes to know about MMI. Balu sir gave me his whole mmi collections about a year ago, and since then I have never recovered from mmi fever and probably never will. I consider it a great honor to have interacted with vkv sir, balu sir, vishnu sir and venu sir.
Gokul of 2015 equals Rajesh of 2002 .

Check this post viewtopic.php?f=12&t=258&p=120916&hilit=balu#p120916 . Also read few posts of balummi from there on. Incidentally VKV Sir gave me the most collections after BaluMMI ,there is one spectacular recording of assortment that VKV Sir did with his commentary where he also polished the audio recording- hear that to start with, it is primer of MMI.

On a personal note I took roughly 2 years to hear all those concerts that VKV and BaluMMI shared ,whenever I heard I break that whole recording and catalog individual songs like a typical songlist say samAja vara gamanA(N S)-hindolam-T .I will give you when I am back in chennai.
Sir, I would be very happy to receive your collections and kudos to you for your sorting work. I do have the recording of vkv sir that you speak of and have listened to it. I would like to mention here that it was great to read your contribution throughout this thread and I have learnt a lot about mmi fom that. It was invaluable for me considering that I was a rather late entrant into the mmi fan club.

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This is a share from Gokul Balasubramanian...


The website http://www.maduraimaniaiyer.org is now live!!

This website is a tribute to the great man, and an effort to spread his music. It includes a blog where anyone can post anything regarding Mani Iyer without logging in/ registering (They are optional). The aim is to assimilate as much information on Mani Iyer as possible and make it available to the general Public.
This Project is a collective effort and I can't do without acknowledging people for their contributions. Swetha Balasubramanian, Adityen Krishnan, Vivek Kannan, and Teja Naga are the developers. It was perfectly within their rights to refuse ( they did not know who Mani Iyer was before the project began), but they all pitched in for me. Sriram Kalyanasundaram is the sponsor. Guruji agreed to sponsor this site in spite of sailing on the same boat as my friends (Didn’t know who Mani Iyer was ). Vishnuramprasad Vasudevan sir for the content and Venkata Kailasam sir for allowing us to integrate this facebook page with my site...

http://www.maduraimaniaiyer.org/

rajeshnat
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What a joy what a joy sadAnanda tandavam . Kudos to every one especially Swetha Balasubramanian who has done the web development . She has used the right web skin to give the gAnakalAdhara touch.

Gokul/venugopal sir / venkatakailasam /Vishnu,
I am not sure if it is mentioned , please also mention balummi and vkv sir . Possibly any writeups from them can also be added .
Incidentally rasikas.org team anecdotes are also captured http://www.maduraimaniaiyer.org/anecdotes.html

Thank you sriram kalyanasundaram for helping with the site.

Pasupathy Sir,
I recolllect vaguely writeups that you had written . Also any writeups by vikatan ,kalki other tamil writers from 1940 to 1960 which you possess , please post it here

Gokul,
I am assuming you can additionally collate all of that . Is swetha part of our forum?

This is great integration of content of mmi every where collated to one great site .

gokulb93
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rajeshnat wrote:What a joy what a joy sadAnanda tandavam . Kudos to every one especially Swetha Balasubramanian who has done the web development . She has used the right web skin to give the gAnakalAdhara touch.

Gokul/venugopal sir / venkatakailasam /Vishnu,
I am not sure if it is mentioned , please also mention balummi and vkv sir . Possibly any writeups from them can also be added .
Incidentally rasikas.org team anecdotes are also captured http://www.maduraimaniaiyer.org/anecdotes.html

Thank you sriram kalyanasundaram for helping with the site.

Pasupathy Sir,
I recolllect vaguely writeups that you had written . Also any writeups by vikatan ,kalki other tamil writers from 1940 to 1960 which you possess , please post it here

Gokul,
I am assuming you can additionally collate all of that . Is swetha part of our forum?

This is great integration of content of mmi every where collated to one great site .

Thank you Sir, I had just shot an email to you asking your blessings and contributions for my site. Essay by vkv sir is included and so are the tamil articles on mmi at pasupathy sir's blog. Any Additional materials I will include happily. I would be honoured if you and other knowledgeable Rasikas here contribute on the blog http://www.blog.maduraimaniaiyer.orgas well. The skin was particularly chosen for its vintage effect :D. Swetha is not a member as of now, but the chances of her joining this forum are rather high in the near future.

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Gokul(Content curator of http://www.maduraimaniaiyer.org),

Just called today the next two speakers of your next mmi meeting -Lalitharam and Vishnuramprasad. They are going to present- to say the least brilliantly on mmi . Vishnu tells me you (Gokul)are a youngster who just got recently mesmerized with Madurai Mani . What a way for you to celebrate than creating this website .

Having praised , just few cautions
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1. You continue collating and curating the content and drop to MMI website . I am not sure what is the point in you having a blog over and above the MMI web site . Please remember for many like me , the blog of each vidwan is in Rasikas.org in vidwans and vidushis . This post is only a blog . Why do we need another blog? IT is becoming too strenuous to look so many websites

2. Many years back vellore ramabadran mama gave a lecdem on MMI in an audio presentation in early 2002 . If you can also bring in audio presentations to start with in the web site , that would be great.

3. VRP and I spoke about TRS and MMI . IT seems TRS and MMI were great mutual admirers . I was not even aware till VRP told about TRS and MMI related anecdotes. I thought there was only minimal connection between trs and mmi . Attn Vishnu - you should write more about swara patterns that you covered with me on MMI and the way TRS mAmA supplemented and explained MMI greatness .

Ending this post in a short MMI - English Note Fashion
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# Say NO To Madurai Mani Iyer Blog
# Say YES TO MMI vidwans and vidushi thread in rasikas.org - which is always like a blog. :)
# Say YES to curated content into http://www.maduraimaniaiyer.org which Gokul can take it. This is the best thing that has happened in the last 1 month . Kudos to Gokul and team.

venu sundar
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4 days ago - The 105th birth anniversary celebrations of famous carnatic vocalist Madurai Mani Iyerwill be held on October 23 at P. S. Higher Secondary School, Mylapore, at 3.30p.m. For details, contact S.VENUGOPALAN cell no 98413 13 527... SANGITHA KALANIDHI MRIDANGA CHAKRAVARHTY Dr. T K MURTHY will be honoured on the occassion.CLEVELAND SUNDARAM KS KALIDAS AND LALITHARAM PARTICIPATE AND ALL ARE WELCOME TO THE GRAND OCCASSION TO REMEMBER GREAT MMI!

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சங்கீத சங்கதிகள் - 97
விருது, விளம்பரம், விமர்சனம் !
http://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2016/10/96_25.html

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The following anecdote is worth many reads as it offers many insights into MMI's thoughts on music :

Madurai Mani Iyer and Subbudu

Trasnslation of Subbudu’s Article, Courtesy Ms. Arasi

Madurai Mani Iyer
by
Subbudu
It was an unforgettable meeting. I had the great privilege of meeting Madhura Gana Mani Iyer. It came about as the result of a review that I wrote of his Mumbai concert in ‘Kalki’. "As usual, Mani Iyer sang an Alapana in Shanmukapriya, swung back and forth with his 'U U-s' and ended the concert with the English note", I had written. I had summed it t all up in that one line.
This must have happened six or seven years ago. The very next year, Madurai Mani Iyer came to Delhi to perform. He said to his host that my review struck him as being out of the way. He also expressed his wish to meet me and to know what I meant to say by way of that one-liner. I was extremely keen on meeting him. Yet, I felt awkward to face and interview the eminent Vidwan who was obviously upset about my pronouncement. If things got out of hand, how was I going to cope with the situation? --me being younger and lacking in my experience in music? I explained this to Sri. Krishnamurthy (the host?) on the phone. On his assuring me that the discussion would be dignified and meaningful, I went to meet Mani Iyer at his place. As I entered, someone was reading The Hindu to Madurai Mani Iyer. He was keen on following the daily news. My arrival was announced by Vembu Iyer.
"Are you Subbudu sir?"
"Yes."
"How come you wrote in such detail about other musicians and made such a sweeping statement about me in a single line?"
"There is a lot I want to convey to you. You are a Maha Vidvan, sangIta sagaram (ocean of music). If you are patient, I will bare my heart to you."
"By all means!"
"To start with, why do you keep singing the same songs over and over again in your concerts?"
"Rasikas love those songs."
"I agree. Yet, if brilliant singers like you do not popularize at least two songs every year, won't the Trinity's songs be forgotten?"
"Do you want me to ignore the Rasikas?"
"Not really. Cater to them three quarters of the time. Can't you allot a quarter of the time to the Trinity?
"Do you know; it takes a year or two to popularize a single song?"
"I agree. But, isn't it your responsibility to develop Rasanai (taste) in your listeners? Out of the four hundred kritis of Tyagaraja, not even fifty are in vogue."
"Ah, that's what you are saying!"
"I am prepared to listen to you, whatever you have to say about it. To recognize and to propagate them--isn't that a service to music by Vidvans like you?"
"I have in my repertoire countless krutis. But look at the number of request chits that reach the stage even at the beginning of the concert!"
"Have you tried new song lists at any time and have tested it out?"
"The public doesn't give me a chance!"
"Delhi Rasikas are super Rasikas. You won't find Maharajapuram, GNB or Ariyakkudi fans as such here in Delhi. We are all just music fans. We are nostalgic about our homeland. We are thrilled to hear good CM from any source. We do not get many chances to hear music in this faraway place. Based on all this, why don't you try your experiment here? If I am wrong, I will take back my word and apologize to no end..."
"What, Vembu? This evening, we will sing all new uruppadis (items). These reviewers perhaps think that we don't know that many kritis!"

That evening, not a single 'rubber stamp' kriti was sung. Thyagaiyya, Dikshitar, Syama Sastry and Sivan danced in glee on that stage. ‘The Statesman’ the next morning did not contain a review but a dedication. On reading it, MMI sent a congratulatory letter to the editor and he in turn sent it to me.
I treasure it as a priceless possession of mine

kvchellappa
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105th birthday celebrations:
http://blog.maduraimaniaiyer.org/?p=74
(There is a youtube link to Dr TKM's speech)

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srikant1987-> Koluvamara' in todi...youtube link is broken. I am trying to create a page for this great song rendered by 'greats' of the golden era. can you please give link to mp3 ?

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Dr.Pasupathy-> I read Kalki on Madurai Mani concert in your 'sangeetha vishayangal' blog . Very nice. Can you enlighten me if MMI sang 'paamaalaikkinaiyundo' after NCV or before her record? similarly 'Maaye'. . Is it possible that NCV inspired MMI? or vice versa?

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Sorry, RSR. I don't have any info which will throw light on this. However I doubt if MMI would have been influenced by NCV's recordings.

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RSR wrote:Dr.Pasupathy-> I read Kalki on Madurai Mani concert in your 'sangeetha vishayangal' blog . Very nice. Can you enlighten me if MMI sang 'paamaalaikkinaiyundo' after NCV or before her record? similarly 'Maaye'. . Is it possible that NCV inspired MMI? or vice versa?
MMI SANG BOTH WELL BEFORE NCV. MMI APPRECIATED ANY ONE WHO SANG WELL. WHILE HER VOICE WAS GREAT IN TERMS HER RENDERING IN TERMS OF CREATIVITY & ORIGINALITY WAS NO COMPARISON TO MMI'S RENDERINGS. ACTUALLY THERE WERE FREQUENT REQUESTS FOR MMI TO RENDER THEM & THEY WERE TRULY A RAGE WHICH WAS TYPICAL OF ANY COMOPSITION MMI RENDERED....VKV P.S.: I HAVE PERSONALLY HEARD RENDER THESE TWO SONGS RENDERED BY NCV & MMI. VKV

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Dr. T.K. Murthy's speech on Mani Iyer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC_bDT9y9iQ

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Dr.Pasupathy-> Thank you. I posed that query , because to the best of my knowledge, it was NCV who gave the record on .Maaye'. I am not aware of any record by Madurai Mani Iyer of the same . It is quite possible that Mani Iyer would have rendered the song in many concerts before NCV gave the record. The same is likely about 'paamaalaikkinaiyundo' . . Mani Iyer appreciated any one ( even from film world ) who had good voice and good musical ability. Recently, I read that he was an admirer of MKT songs too. . He is said to have demurred about singing 'Eppo Varuvaro' after the hugely popular 'Sathvagunabothan' by MKT. I am just quoting from a blog. Mani Iyer had a lead of more than 10 years over that of NCV. and sang for a decade after NCV passed away.( that is 30 years! compared to mere 10 yers of NCV) and somehow, though she sang quite a few thamizh songs including the matchless ' Pillaip piraayatthile ' and 'pozhuthu pularnthathu' of Mahakavi, and also of Suddhananndha barathi, she does not seem to have had the support of Kalki, Great singers do not mind adopting other singers' songs. DK Pattammal adopted KLSaigal's tune for Kalki's 'poonkuyil koovidum ' . and also MS songs like Enakkunnirupatham after nearly 12 years ( 1935->1947). .. 'Comparisons are odious'. and there are any number of rasikas of yester-years who are unanimous that if NCV had been blessed with a longer life span and better health and perhaps greater support from influential critics like Kalki, , she might 'have outsoared the loftiest star of unascended heaven ,pinnacled dim in the intense inane' ( Shelley). . Just to clear any misconception, though I am not a fan of many of the 'hits' of MMI , I do hold his Kapi kruthi ' intha sowkyamu' an unparalleled masterpiece. My exposure is limited to radio concerts and commercial records. and it may not be absolute assessment when many even in the golden generation had not listened to the best of even MS as recorded music in 78 rpm. We cannot expect all to be fortunate to have attended concerts in sabas. and 'laslsagar'. ( Tapan Sinha') I am writing especially for you.

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I ONLY RESPONDED BECAUSE MMI'S RENDERING OF MAYAE & PAAMAILIKKINAI UNDOE WERE MOST POPULAR RAGES & HE WAS REQUESTED TO SING THESE TWO ON A REGULAR BASIS OF HIS CONCERTS AT THAT TIME. I AGREE THAT NCV WAS EXCELLENT ON HER OWN. PL EXCUSE USE OF CAPITALS AS I HAVE DIFFICULTY READING SMALL PRINT. VKV ... I WROTE IT FOR THE SAKE OF HISTORICAL ACCURACY!

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VKV,
Most members know that your posts, especially about MMI are priceless. Who cares about the fonts? A minor matter. Most younger members know of your life-long association with MMI's music and appreciate your posts. A fan is a fan is a fan--you are a super fan of his and a dedicated organizer from the start, in the history of CM in North America.

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RSR: The topic of records, who sang what first, some songs sung by many artists , "product differentiation" .... etc is a very complex one. Let me quote one example . DKP and DKJ both had learnt "kapAli" of Sivan ( in fact might have given even a record in early days...I forgot what DKJ told me.) But since MMI made it his own , DKP and DKJ did not sing it in concerts out of respect to MMI. After MMI passed away in 68, they started singing kapAli ( in their own wonderful style) . In fact, when DKJ sang a cittaswaram in kapali at Toronto( not found in Sivan's book and not sung by MMI ), I asked DKJ about it and he told me that Sivan had taught them that and the other info I have given above.

You mentioned 'intha saukyamu" of MMI. MS had given a record of this 36-37 itself.See the ad at:
http://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2016/09/91.html

>> DK Pattammal adopted KLSaigal's tune for Kalki's 'poonkuyil koovidum ' >>

Actually, Kalki composed the song based on Saigal's tune..... so the tune was already there in the song ! and DKP knew this and sang that tune, of course. ( During Kalki's centenary, I think the original songs were also sung in a Kalakshetra function.)

About "enakkuniru padam", I don't know who was the music composer who made it into a Ragamalika.

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I am not aware of any record by Madurai Mani Iyer of the same .
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ai4m5ce4c ... ni-Adi.mp3

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varsha wrote:
I am not aware of any record by Madurai Mani Iyer of the same .
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ai4m5ce4c ... ni-Adi.mp3
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varsh ji-> Thank you. I had indeed allowed for the possibility that Mani Iyer might have sung in concerts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqA_1Re ... e=youtu.be
( an upload by Shankar Rajasekaran). He is doing great work.
We can find if it is vintage 78 rpm by the duration.(it should be less than 3 minutes for one side)
The link that you have provided is less than 3 minutes. With your kind permission I will place it in my facebook page as I have already done for the above tube video.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 4120416379
Thank you once again.

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Dr.Pasupathy-> First, let me thank you for all the advertisements of MS records as early as 1936. She was barely 19 then and her fame did not yet depend on her silver screen presence. Sadly, it only makes me yearn and regret that such gems are not to be heard unless some collectors graciously upload them. Gramaphone companies could have made our year-wise search and study easier by printing the month and year of release of the record. With your permission, I will type the information about MS songs in the advts and place it in website and facebook. This may prompt some collectors to release the treasures to the public.( not the images which are yours by right). I will surely mention the source.
2) Some kruthis of the Trinity are so special that all artistes love to render them. . The inspiration then is the kruthi and not who rendered it first either in concert or in 'plates'. 'Intha sowkyamu' is one such... Many leading artistes of those years had indeed sung 'maamava pattabirama' but is seems that the song is so etched in memory with the name of DKP that for once , a rarity, MS is accompanying DKP. ( Raju Asokan has uploaded it but I am unable to access it. varsh ji can perhaps helpme. . 'mukari kruthi 'elavatharamu' is another , given as plate very early by MS and later NCV has also assayed it.
Reverting back to Madurai Mani Iyer, one of his most moving songs was 'kanthan karuNai puriyum vadivEl'in beemplaas. it was based on the song originally rendered in Ramarajyam film by Saraswathi Rane and was a rage in the early forties. all over tamilnad. 'Carnatic summer' mentions that Mani Iyer was so much moved by the song that he asked one of his friends to compose a song in thamizh. and thus was born the song. It has an absolutely enthralling lyrics as well. For rasikas, I have placed two of MMI songs as well as Saraswathi Rane and other related songs and information. Much more has to be added soon.
https://sites.google.com/site/hindustha ... /beemplaas
many links may not work ( have to be set right)
Artistes may render the same kruthi not to outperform others but due to urge for paying tribute to the kruthi, and ragam . It does not necessarily mean any disrespect to the earlier renderings by others. , though, it is indeed advisable not to touch any earlier rendering that has already gained reputation. Male voice and female voice renderings may be allowed however.

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gokulb93-> Dear Sir, i have visited the website. Neat layout. Just a suggestion. The slide show of Mani Iyer photos is distracting. a) The duration of each slide should be much more b) or a separate page titled gallery can be given where a table can show a number of photos with legend and date. c) the list of songs must be made more exhaustive. d) links to youtube should be avoided. I would suggest that the tube version is converted into some other format with due acknowledgement to the uploader and placed in the site. ...More importance should be given to his rendering of the Trinity's kruthis.

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pUnkuyil kUvum is patterned after the Saigal song bAlam AyE basO morE manmE. The audio link is here:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bal ... &FORM=VIRE

Also the song in Ramrajya-bIna madhur madhur in bhImpalAs is sung by Amirbai Karnataki. The one that Madurai Mani sings in the same tune is composed by Vali (T.S.Rangarajan).

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Lakshman wrote: Also the song in Ramrajya-bIna madhur madhur in bhImpalAs is sung by Amirbai Karnataki. The one that Madurai Mani sings in the same tune is composed by Vali (T.S.Rangarajan).
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Lakshman ji -> (about 'kanthan karunai puriyum vadivel' ,,, I am afraid, on both counts, your post may be wrong information..
a) about the Ramarajyam song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JJfdVjjTYE

from wiki about Saraswathi Rane
She remained in the field till 1954. Her song from the Hindi film Ramrajya..`Bina Madhur Madhur Kachu Bol’ reached the peak of popularity all over India, and she was awarded by HMV for the highest sale of gramophone records in those times.

b) 'Kanthan Karunai puriyum vadivel' was composed on the request of Mani Iyer by Guhan.
http://stotraratna.sathyasaibababrother ... g/a148.htm

chitti (Sri.Sundararajan) of Manikkodi was a close friend of Mani Iyer at Trichy and Guhan was in that circle.

and further corroboration by an earlier thread in rasikas.org itself
viewtopic.php?t=3453

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I have been a target of ire by some in this forum , for my objection to the transliteration schemes for thamizh.
See the massacre here of that glorious song by a site which is well-meaning but unfamiliar with thamizh.
http://pedia.desibantu.com/kandan-karunai/**********************************************************************
GOD SAVE THAMIZH LANGUAGE !
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வேம்பக்ஹை கொன்ரே வெட்ரி டரும் வேல் வேட பொருளை விளக்கும் மயில் வேல்
னம்பும் அடியார் னலவளர் பொன் வேல் னன்கை வள்ளியின் டிரு னாயகன் வேல்
குன்ரு டோராடும் குமரனின் உருவேல் கோலமயில் னடம் கொன்ஜிடும் ஸெல்வேல்
அந்டம் னாடிடும் ஆடி மக்ஹல் னாம் அன்னை பராஷக்டி அருல் ஷுடர் வேல்
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Thamizh lyrics for one of the most inspiring and thrilling songs by Madurai Mani Iyer. . Beemplas ragam does that magic in many of the songs ( his veLLaith thAmaraip poovil iruppAL' also partly owes its grand effect to the ragam and of course Barathy's lyrics) . (allied ragams like karnataka devagandhari , abheri and rathipathipriya also create that effect)
கந்தன் கருணை புரியும் வடிவேல்!

அருள் ஒளியோடு ஆவி கலந்தே
அன்பும், ஆற்றலும் அறிவும் நயந்தே

இரு சுகம் ஈந்தே இடர்கள் களைந்தே
இன்புறச் செய்திடும் இறைவன் கைவேல்!
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வெம்பகை கொன்றே வெற்றி தரும் வேல்!
வேதப் பொருளை விளக்கும் மயில் வேல்!

நம்பும் அடியார் நலம் வளர்க்கும் வேல் !
நங்கை வள்ளியின் திருநாயகன் வேல்!
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குன்றுதோறாடும் குமரன் அருள் வேல்!
கோலமயில் நடம் கொஞ்சிடும் செவ்வேல்!

அண்டம் பேணிடும் ஆதிமகள் நம்
அன்னை பராசக்தி அருள் சுடர் வேல் !
( may be the correct version)... Kindly check if we get this by reverse transliteration
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Dr.Pasupathy-> I have given link to your blog page on advts for MS records. Thank you. I could not however resist the temptation to use just one of those photo advts .
https://sites.google.com/site/homage2ms ... ms-records
I hope that you will condone.
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I used to wonder, why MS did not seem to have given any early record in aberi, karnataka devagandhari, etc so much a favourite of DKP. From the advt page, I learn that she had sung 'nagumomu' in 1936 itself. ( following Musiri'?)
Can we get a link to that 'vintage record?

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RSR: You are right. I was thinking of another songs that was sung by Amirbai Karnataki in Ramrajya. Guhan is the composr of kandan karuNai. Thanks.

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Here's a scintillating excerpt of an RTP in (wait for it...) Sindhu Bhairavi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx0Ii4iBPj8

If only we had the entire recording -- I really wanted to see what an elaborate Sindhubhairavi ragam and tanam would sound like.

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Will a 45 mt TVS or 16 mts TNS do ?
or 18 mt Mali ?

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Please post all 3

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Varsha ji, I think, there is some mix-up. The 18 minutes piece is not shown as that of MALI. May request you to correct it? ofcourse, after downloading, the listeners can find which is which.. ..Nevertheless....

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just now located this in youtube.

https://youtu.be/NHsWDBtENi8

T.R.Mahalingam- Flute-
Ragam-Tanam-Pallavi-SindhuBhairavi (45 minutes)
Shankar Rajasekharan

2 years ago3,082 views

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Thanks!

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Balummi wrote: 13 Apr 2012, 13:56 Dear Rajesh ,
Madurai Sri Pushpavanam Iyer passed away, if I remember correct ,when MMI was only 5 years old . There was no chance of even MMI recollecting his voice . How could Semmangudi Mama who was only 9 years at that time could remember it . Probably he could have heard it said from his guru Sri Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer !
Sri Madurai Pushpavanam passed away in 1920 and Sri Madurai Mani was 8 years old then. And he has also mentioned he heard Sri Pushpavanam sing at concerts.
That being so Sri Semmangudi would have been 12 years old. He also told me that he has attended Sri Pushpavanam's kutcheries and waxed eloquent about his singing.
Sri Semmangudi also speaks about this in his talk with Gowri Ramnarayanan, which she published. That article is with me.

Regards

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vsn69 wrote: 10 Oct 2017, 17:14 Sri Madurai Pushpavanam passed away in 1920 and Sri Madurai Mani was 8 years old then. And he has also mentioned he heard Sri Pushpavanam sing at concerts.
That being so Sri Semmangudi would have been 12 years old. He also told me that he has attended Sri Pushpavanam's kutcheries and waxed eloquent about his singing.

Regards
I have heard the tv recording where SSI specifically mentions that he has heard Madurai pushpavanam in person and adds like MMI sings like Madurai pushpavanam.

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RSR,
Thank you for for the whole song: kandan karuNai pozhiyum vaDivEl. I couldn't remember several of the verses until I saw your post. Guhan (Radio MAma) composed it, I remember :)

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@1064-> Thank you very much, Arasi Madam. Actually, your mention of 'radio mama' in one of your threads led me to search of the author and get the inspired lyrics. Seventy years back, when radio played this song by Mani Iyer, we used to be thrilled especially in the last two lines' unexpected switch from the Son to the Mother!..It thrills today too to the ever-lasting glory of the deities, lyricist, ragam, singer and ...I should add, people who cherish the gem as you do. Regards.

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Here's something you and others may relish. Thanks to Pasupathy who tirelessly brings us the history of CM from old magazines--reviews, news items and articles. Yo might have already read this in the Tamizh section (of the Languages forum), in Nostalgia and Musical Morsels threads. The year,1948. For those who don't read tamizh, here goes:

MANI KACHERI (Mani's gem of a Concert)
By Neelam

We all have heard about gandharva gAnam and have read about it-- but haven't listened to it. Yet, we could have a glimpse into it last week at Madurai Mani's concert in Mayilai.
One could say, Mani's concert was a gem of a performance. Or, a ruby. If not, a concert where manis and rubies sparkled. We haven't had Mani's concerts in Chennai the past six or seven months.That he got through the ordeal of a severe illness itself is a relief. To hear him sing on top of it was a blessing.
He is well now. In every way, his music has gained more assets.Those who heard him on Feb 5 on AIR Tiruchi (Was it a relay of the Chennai concert?) would have noticed those welcome changes in his singing. Sangathis which matched the kAla pramANam and the phrasing of them expressed themselves in perfect sruti in Mani Iyer's singing.It used to be that he would sing without continuity at times in fragmented phrases. Not anymore. PiDis and sangathis of azhuttam enrich his music now.
Mani began his concert traditionally with hamsadhvani. For AlApanA and svara prasthAra, he took up kAmbhOdi. Though the tODi he sang before that was a special number, it can't be compared to that kambhOdi which followed.
He sang svarAs for each one of the kritis. In kAmbhOdi, the neraval and svarAs he sang in the charaNam enchanted the listeners.The fine artistry he wrought in the line kANak kaN kODi vENDum (one needs a million eyes to see kapAli) made the audience wonder if listening to him sing, they needed a million ears! Mani then continued this line as the pallavi line in the RTP. With it, he brought a relaxed state of mind and serenity to the listeners, making them forget themselves. BehAg, kAnaDA, kuntala varALi and sindhubhairavi in svara kalpanA followed, and he was stupendous. As for pakka vAdyam musicians--Sri. Rajamanikkam Pillai played like a gem. Pazhani Subramania Pillai's mridangam brimmed with sukha bhAvA. For Madurai Mani to reach the peak of his singing, Pazhani SubbuDu's playing no doubt helped a great deal.

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In the same post, Pasupathy has brought a news item about MMI's title Gana kaladhara. It was awarded to him in Thanjavur on the 19th of December,1943--and to this day, we remember him with that title more than with Sangita Kalanidhi! Wonder why. Because it sounds sweet to the ears and suits him to a tee? :)

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arasi wrote: 27 Oct 2017, 05:05 In the same post, Pasupathy has brought a news item about MMI's title Gana kaladhara. It was awarded to him in Thanjavur on the 19th of December,1943--and to this day, we remember him with that title more than with Sangita Kalanidhi! Wonder why. Because it sounds sweet to the ears and suits him to a tee? :)
Definitely - A sangIta kalAnidhi is a mere repository of music, while gAna kalAdhAra is veritably the source and prop of the art of music.....

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Ravi,
Yes. That too.However, I thought he was kalAdharA--kalaiyai dharippavar??

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QyH8GY47Qk MMI (with LGJ) kalpanAswarams for mOhanam charanam of the varnam at the start

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sankark wrote: 16 Nov 2017, 21:26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QyH8GY47Qk MMI (with LGJ) kalpanAswarams for mOhanam charanam of the varnam at the start
This probably is THE best overall concert I've ever heard in my life. Live or not. I assumed it was Pazhani on the mridangam, but it's actually Vellore Ramabhadran. Wow, what a concert.

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arasi madam will like this article.
http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday ... 715767.ece

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Yesterday I caught one of the MMI treasure items - featuring s'bharaNam (enduku peddala) I think there is a tani following this but it was curtailed in the recording (mridangam sounded almost like thavil), karnAtaka kApi (venkatAchalapathE), thOdi (thAyE), dwijAvanthi (cEtah sri) & kAnakkaN kOdi amongst others. What a beaut!

The query - who are the accompanists?

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கான கலாதர மதுரை மணி அய்யர் ரசிகர்கள் சங்கம்


மணி அய்யரின் நினைவுகளை பகிர்ந்து கொள்கிறார் 


ப்ரபல வயலின் வித்வான். சங்கீத கலாநிதி, டாக்டர், திரு. எம். சந்த்ரசேகரன், 


முன்னிலை மூத்த மிருதங்க வித்வான் திரு.கே.எஸ்.காளிதாஸ்.


பின்னர்,  மணி அய்யரின் கச்சேரி தொகுப்புகள் சிலவற்றை கேட்டு மகிழுங்கள்.


நாள் : 26.01.2018

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நேரம் : மாலை 4 .15 முதல் இரவு 7.45 வரை. 


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GAnaKalAdhara Madurai Mani Iyer Rasikas Association Presents

Madurai Mani Iyer rememberance day on 26/01/2018 FRIDAY!

at Shri Vivekananda Hall, P.S.High School, R.K.Mutt Road, Mylapore, Chennai.

Presided by Violin Maestro Sangeetha kalanidhi Dr.M.Chandrasekaran

Mridangam Maestro Shri.K.S.Kalidas participates and felicitates

Program

4.15 pm : Prayer followed by Welcome Address by Shri Chitti Venu

4.30. p.m: High Tea

4.45 pm : Felicitation by Shri.K.S.Kalidas

5.00 pm : Recollections and Tribute by Dr.M.Chandrasekaran

5.30 to 7.45: Guided Listening Session of some rare vintage concert of 

Ganakaladhara Madurai Mani Iyer

7.45 pm: Mangalam

All are cordially welcome!

CONTACT CHITTI VENU 9841313527

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