N.C. Vasanthakokilam

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#76 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by kvchellappa » 03 Oct 2017, 11:43

Love is the most sacred of emotions and has been covered in our scriptures and puranas even with gods and goddesses with abandon. The prudish views are of later influence. Our poets and musicians are no exception and there is nothing to feel awkward about what is nature's unreserved gift.
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#77 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 03 Oct 2017, 15:44

@'Sri.Vasanthakokilam '-> I do not find any trace of neelambari as you mention and in the final (third) stanza i remember just kamaj . May be experts like Srinath and Varsha may be able to help
Conservative upbringing has nothing to do with my criticism of this particular poem by Barathy. When we carefully read the poem, the 'proposal' comes in second and third stanza only. and how we understand is left to our mental makeup I still hold the opinion that it is the reader who has to correctly understand and interpret the sentiment expressed and it is the poet's fault to have given scope for a 'common' interpretation . I dont think, in any decent society, mothers are objects of 'matrimonial proposal'. Even in the West? of Mother Mary about whom Barathy has given a poem(?)/ Let us revert back to Music
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Can we trace NCV song of Koteeswara Iyer? Namakkal Kavigyar on Gandhiji ( sanga naadham ketkuthu) , Barathy song on Mother India ( Pozhuthu pularnthathu..Boopaalam )?
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NCV became famous right from 1938 ( ref: V.Sriram article on the 1938 music academy matters). She was 18 then. Her first or second film was with the renowned musician V.V.Sadagopan. ( Venuganam?) (1940). She must have definitely given great many concerts in Chennai and Nellai. and Tanjore areas during the decade 1940-1950.
Are there no veterans to give their reminiscences about her during the dacade? No one to share more songs by her than alkready given by saregama and others? Was she such an ' unmentionable' artiste? Has even Kalki given atleast an oblique reference to her, anywhere? It is puzzling. I am not talking about anything except her musical performances. How wonderful it would have been if MS and NCV had sung a few songs together for gramaphone company? ( something like 'Imaginary Conversations')
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#78 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 03 Oct 2017, 16:09

@k.v.chellappa-> Sir, I am completely out of touch with sanskrit originals and even thamizh translations of the great epics Valmiki Ramayana, Mahabaratham and of course Srimath Bagavatham. I dont think, of the thousands and thousands of lines there, there are many which speak of 'carnal' love explicitly. Our Thamizh classic Silappathikaram completely avoids such references even in the PukAr kAandam... We have some fine literary traditions... Of course, coarse minds, there always have been , like the creator of Devi Bagavatham, which would make even a western hippie blush at and our konark sculpture. Art is meant for uplifting the common people. Pure music ( even without lyrics as in HM classical, and later Western classical) , Architecture ( of Gothic school) have that potential. The less of visual or verbal voluptuousness, the better for Art. Also, less of Ego consciousness. .. All that apart, our cultural understanding of even family life is different from the focus on 'pleasure' but on social duty.(saha dharmini, dharma pathni) . If that is so even for normal gruhasthas, how much more so, the reverence should be to Mother Goddess? CNAnnadurai perhaops had a valid point in his 'kambarasam'' about descriptions of 'Sitha piraattiyaar.'.
'Carnal love' is just animal level. definitely different from Romantic bond and even Platonic love. ' Quoting a famous passage 'What the heart lifts above and the heavens reject not...The desire of the moth for the star , of the night for the morrow, the devotion to something afar from our sphere of sorrow'.
indian tradition is for the lady to pine for the Lord and not the other way round. Now.. pardon me for this 'literary' and 'cultural' detour. Let us talk of N.C.Vasantahkokilam's music.
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#79 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by CRama » 03 Oct 2017, 20:17

RSR wrote:
03 Oct 2017, 16:09
@k.v.chellappa-> Let us talk of N.C.Vasantahkokilam's music.
Yes. NCV's music. It is much intriguing that we are not able to trace even a radio recording other than the large number of 78 rpm. records. I will like to share one of my experiences in searching for NCV concert. When I was in Mumbai, I acquainted with a person who was collecting music concerts. He gave me one concert labelled as NCV concert. When I heard it, it was M.S.Sheela's concert. The same person introduced me to another young techie in Chembur who told that he has got NCV concert. That person played lot of hide and seek with me and then I left him concluding that he is just befooling me.

Today only I happened to see the complete list of NCV records referred to in this thread. I could hear a few songs which I was not having. Thanks for taking the pains to collect them. Two songs from that list- one in Manirangu and another song could not be played. There is one song Sattileni which is in Poorvikalyani- composition of Ponniah Pillai. This seems to be from a radio or live concert as there is considerable difference in the voice texture and recording quality. Even this song is incomplete. The song is listed as Kasiramakriya and some lament that the pidis of this ragam has since been changed and it is told as Panthuvarali. Actually what is sung is Poorvikalyani as the song is presented by all the musicians. That may be edited.
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#80 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by vasanthakokilam » 03 Oct 2017, 23:27

RSR wrote:
03 Oct 2017, 15:44
@'Sri.Vasanthakokilam '-> I do not find any trace of neelambari as you mention and in the final (third) stanza i remember just kamaj .
Let us make sure we are all listening to the same link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxkyKHMzPJM

The initial instrumental prelude is Tilang. nIlAmbari is evident at 1:44 to 1:51 when singing 'ammA' isn't it? (https://youtu.be/IxkyKHMzPJM?t=103)

(btw, the first stanza following the musical interlude does not sound like Tilang)
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#81 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 04 Oct 2017, 00:14

@Sri.'vasanthakokilam'. Yes Sir. It is a rather complex musical composition, As I hum the song. I found similarity with other famous songs like 'Santhi Nilava vendum 'by DKP,'Shyamasundara' by MS, 'Yadhunandhana' by MS. and was struck by the unique rendering by NCV. of the stanza. perhaps not easy to set to music . Primarily the first stanza is Tilang and may have faint shades of the other ragam. ( I may be wrong). Similarly, the second stanza also is not anything like the usual bimplas. Again, due to difficulty in giving music to the poem's lines.That is why it has been very special song for me. As for the last stanza, after finishing, I find that it leads me seamlessly to 'apadhooru '. ! when humming. You are the better judge. I wonder who set it to music!
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#82 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 04 Oct 2017, 00:38

@CRama-> Respected Sir, I have been an avid follower of your posts. I liked your article in Sruthi on Smt.MS much. You had given a photostat copy. May I type it and place in my website for MS? ..
I am working on sites devoted to MS, DKP and NCV. . and just recently began a site for MLV songs. ( only the best). with lyrics and other information.(as prompted by Srinath and Varsha_ji ) The NCV SITE is yet to be brought to final shape. So difficult to get the lyrics as sung by her. correctly. Got diverted to DKP site.
Yes Sir, You are right. 'Sathilenu' upload is by Raju Asokan. and he opines that the raga mentioned by him is right. Panthuvarali, also is mentioned by some. Poorvikalyani may be the correct ragam. I have given the tube link in the page. I request you to add your comment in tube page so that other listeners can get a better idea. He has mentioned that it was a from an old tape. If there are other songs not in our list, they will be precious.
I did not want to miss any link to NCV , as the concerts are so rare to get as you have pointed out. That is why I have added it. Can improve gradually. .
Some of the pages are yet to be finalized. They may even be blank now. Lyrics have to be added.
I am all appreciation and amazement at your on-going project of writing about all the great artistes from Kerala, who reside and resonate in Kerala itself. Best Regards.
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#83 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by vasanthakokilam » 04 Oct 2017, 07:07

Primarily the first stanza is Tilang and may have faint shades of the other ragam.
Definitely get a second and third opinion and hopefully other members will pitch in but I do not think the first stanza is 'Tilang with a faint shades of other ragas'. I am going the other way. I hear Tilang in the instrumental prelude and not much after that.
But starting at 49 seconds, https://youtu.be/IxkyKHMzPJM?t=49
that is not Tilang, is it? It is somewhere in the complex of Nilambari, Shankarabharanam, may be wandering a bit into Harikambodhi, YKK (just a trace) etc.
Similarly, as I wrote above, starting at 1:44 nIlambari stamp is quite evident https://youtu.be/IxkyKHMzPJM?t=103

Others please chime in so we can conclude this without too much ambiguity
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#84 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by varsha » 04 Oct 2017, 09:06

It is much intriguing that we are not able to trace even a radio recording other than
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https://archive.org/details/NCVasanthak ... TyAgarAja-
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#85 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by CRama » 04 Oct 2017, 12:54

Varsha, I can not thank you enough for the Emijesite. Had never heard a lengthy rendering by NCV. By any chance, do have you the rest of the songs in that concert. I am greedy when it comes to music. Pardon me.
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#86 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by varsha » 04 Oct 2017, 15:39

Pl keep watching this space.
I will let you know when I have exhausted :D
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#87 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 05 Oct 2017, 12:50

Varsha_ji is GREAT. He will surely give us many more from concert pieces. Awaiting more from him.
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I just want to share the moments in NCV classic 'pillaippirAyatthile'. ( whatever be the ragam). First stanza.
'veLLai malaranaimEl avaL veenaiyum kaiyum virintha mukamalar' . When she repeats the above lines, .
வெள்ளை மலரணைமேல்-அவள்
வீணையும் கையும் விரிந்த முகமலர்
வெள்ளை மலரணைமேல்-அவள்
வீணையும் கையும் விரிந்த முகமலர்
.wonderful
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#88 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by vasanthakokilam » 05 Oct 2017, 22:58

CRama wrote:
04 Oct 2017, 12:54
Varsha, I can not thank you enough for the Emijesite. Had never heard a lengthy rendering by NCV. By any chance, do have you the rest of the songs in that concert. I am greedy when it comes to music. Pardon me.
Indeed. Thanks Varsha.
The violin is sparkling as well, isn't it? Shadowing NCV excellently in an understated fashion to provide a wholesome listening experience. The high pitch violin tone is so clean.
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#89 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by varsha » 06 Oct 2017, 07:01

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#90 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 06 Oct 2017, 14:22

Chennai Music season is approaching. and there will be many stalls opened during the festival where we can get very fine dvd/cd packs of all the greats in Carnatic music. May I share the information about a fine CD dedicated to wonderful songs by N.C.Vasanthakokilam? It contains the following songs. 1) yen paLLi kondeerayya ( mohanam)
2) mahAlakshmi jaganmAthA (sankarabaranam) 3) antharangamellAm ( vachaspathi) 4) pAmAlaikku iNai undo (harikambodhi)
5) needhayaraadhaa (vasanthabairavi) 6) sundari nannindarilo ( begada) 7) Anandha natanam AdinaaL ( kamboji) 8) sArasadhalanayanaA (KAMAJ) 9) yelAvathAramu (muhari) 10) Maaye ( Tharangini) 11) thanthai thaay irunthaal (shanmugapriya). It is a saregama release. CDNF 147 909 . Available from amazon(india) on line too. These are among the BEST by NCV.
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#91 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by varsha » 07 Oct 2017, 08:18

http://www.mediafire.com/?nohu4q7ze0b3n

I have uploaded all available material on NCV . Would like tracks numbered 1,2 etc to be identified .
And corrections with others too are welcome.
thanks in advance
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#92 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 07 Oct 2017, 15:49

varsha_ji, Fantastic work. THANK YOU. I am beginning the work of identifying the numbered songs. Hope to complete the correct identification within a week. Top priority ,as I am hoping that I may find the songs that I have been longing to locate may be there. . ( andha naaL ini varumo ?...is a 'hamsanaadham ragam' ). the other ' named ' songs are in the vasanthakokilam site. https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanthakokilam/home/10
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#93 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 07 Oct 2017, 15:58

quoting a para from SrinathK's post in another thread with approval
"Now let's look at NC Vasanthakokilam - listen to mAyE tvam yAhi at 17:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1CkdJ9w9KY and with how much power she hits the upper N2 (M1 in madhyama shruti) in guruguhOdayE (it's almost like her voice explodes like TR Mahalingam's). If you pause and listen closely, there seems to be just a bit of strain on sudhA -- that's not strain, that's a register bridge. This is as good as it can ever get.
(voice range..thread)
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#94 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 07 Oct 2017, 21:00

varsha_ji, here are SOME song openings : 06 - யாரோ வந்தென்னை ஆசை காட்டி(yaaro vandhennai aasai kaatti)
07 - பாங்கான சோலை அலங்காரம் (paangaana solai alankaaram)
08 - பாரதி பாட்டெனும் பைந்தமிழ் (barathi paattenum painthamizh)
09 - குழலோசை கேட்குதம்மா (kuzhlosai ketkuthamaa).
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#95 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by varsha » 08 Oct 2017, 08:59

RSR
Thanks Sir
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#96 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 08 Oct 2017, 23:02

varsha_ji , Just now went through the list . There are two or three Dhikshithar kruthis ( very likely to be concert songs). Very rare indeed. . ....(Nitthiraiyil vandhu nenjam kudi konda ' song is Jonpuri.) There are about six or seven songs which I see for the first time. The link to n.c.vasanthakokilam songs ( streaminjg and buying) on per song basis will be very useful to the diaspora
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss ... thakokilam
She has sung 'eppo varuvaaro' jonpuri in film with slight change in lyrics. 'Also
'a 78 rpm record of Barathy's poem doing the rounds now ' Asai mukam marandhu poache' in jonpuri.)(?) . There must be atleast 20 more records and many many concerts which we are on the verge of losing irrevocably . without people like you to retrieve them from the past . Keep up the GREAT WORK. ( I am plain RSR , no 'sir' needed)
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#97 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 09 Oct 2017, 16:50

The link http://www.worldcat.org/title/polatu-pu ... c/48858806 is for two great songs of Subramanya Barathy in 78 rpm record by N.CVasanthakokilam. a) pozhuthu pularnthathu yaam seytha thavatthaal. (ragam boopaaLam) b) paarukkulle nalla naadu . ( Pāratiyār; N C Vasanthakokilam; James Rubin Collection of Indian Classical Music.). Is it possible for any of our forum members residing in USA to get the mp3 and share?
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#98 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 16 Oct 2017, 12:52

very happy to share a rare find by varsha_ji of vintage NCV song ( composer Patnam Subramanya Iyer) entha nerchina (saveri) . https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... manya-iyer
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#99 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by CRama » 17 Oct 2017, 20:10

RSR, The song Entanerchina is not playing.
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#100 Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

Post by RSR » 17 Oct 2017, 22:42

@99-> CRama, Respected Sir, Excuse me for the lapse. I have just now created the link.
I am not sure if this is really NCV vintage (however, very likely to be). Kindly test the link in the page and let me know. I was confused by almost identical opening line 'entha nerchina' by Thyagaraja Swami and this song by Patnam Subramanya Iyer. There was confusion in the ragam also
https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattamm ... thyagaraja
( DKP enttha nerchina in Udhaya Ravichandrika ( as per sangeethapriya/ suddha dhanyasi)
and the NCV song in Saveri.
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... manya-iyer
(picosong)
I am not sure. I need your help. I will take your help for a few more songs , magically unearthed and given by varsha_ji. ( one Todi song from a concert? and a few more ) Best Regards.
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