Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

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#451 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by venkatakailasam » 25 Jul 2014, 10:03

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Concert 242-Theme Concet-Swathi Thirunal Compositions- SSI-TNK-UKS
Semmangudi- Birth day to day 25-07-2014
Listen at:
http://myblogkumara.blogspot.in/2014/07 ... rt-ix.html

Audio courtesy: Shri KL Karthik…
Concert details:
1977
1 - Deva Deva Kalayaami - Mayamalavagaula - Rupaka - Svati Tirunal

2 - Narasimha Maamava - Arabhi - Khanda Chapu - Svati Tirunal

3 - Paripaalaya Saraseeruha - Pantuvarali - Adi - Svati Tirunal

4 - Paahi Tarakshupuraalaya - Anandabhairavi - Adi - Svati Tirunal

5 - Pankajalochana - Kalyani - Misra Chapu - Svati Tirunal

6 - Paarvati Naayaka - Bauli - Adi - Svati Tirunal

7 - Bhavati Visvaaso - Mukhari - Misra Chapu - Svati Tirunal

8 - Aanjaneya Raghuraamadoota - Saveri - Adi - Svati Tirunal

9 - Jaya Jaya Padmanaabhaanujesa - Manirang - Adi - Svati Tirunal

10 - Paahi Janani - Nattakuranji - Misra Chapu - Svati Tirunal

11 - Kanakamaya - Huseni - Rupaka - Svati Tirunal

12 - Kaantanodu - Neelambari - Rupaka - Svati Tirunal

13 - Alarsaraparitaapam - Suratti - Misra Chapu - Svati Tirunal

14 - Bhogeendrasaayinam - Kuntalavarali - Khanda Chapu - Svati Tirunal

15 - Jaya Jagadeesa - Yamunakalyani - Adi - Svati Tirunal

16 - Mangalam - Madhyamavati
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#452 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by venkatakailasam » 31 Oct 2014, 08:07

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concert 282-Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer
Remembrance day 31-10-2014..

Listen at:
http://myblogkumara.blogspot.in/2014/09 ... art-x.html

01-Vallabha begaDa with LGJ-TS-Vinayagaram-Dikshitar
02-Srikanthanee bhAva priya with LGJ-TS-Vinayagaram-Tyagaraja
03-Raamaneesama kharaharapriya with LGJ-TS-Vinayagaram-Tyagaraja
04--RTP-yochana-jesi trilOchanuDa-Varali with LGJ-TS-Vinayagaram
05-OmSaravana ShaNmukhapriya with LGJ-TS-Vinayagaram
06-Kinthucheyvu kalyANi with LGJ-TS-Vinayagaram
07-Entha vizhayya_Reethi Gowla
08-Inthaparaka-Mayamalavagowlai
09-With MSS-Dakshinamurthe_Shankarabharanam_MJhampa
10-Ananda_naTam_AduvAr-pUrvikalyANi with LGJ-TS
11-mayai ennum iravil
12-Slokam rAgamAlika-with LGJ-TS-Vinayagaram
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#453 SSI VIDEO

Post by S.NAGESWARAN » 30 Nov 2014, 18:40

Enjoy the Video of enthusiastic music from Sri SSI.
Important musicians and VIPS are listening to the music.
The drop box link is given below.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35498660/5SSI.DAT

S.NAGESWARAN.
30.11.2014.
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#454 Re: SSI VIDEO

Post by venkatakailasam » 01 Dec 2014, 10:24

Watch it here:

Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer-with VVS and UKS..

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#455 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by Aditto » 03 Dec 2014, 18:13

Thanks for the wonderful upload :)

Can you please post the rest of the concert ! :)
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#456 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by Pasupathy » 25 Jul 2015, 20:55

A Tamil article about Narayana Theerthar written by Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer in 1938.

http://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2013/01/9.html
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#457 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by Lakshman » 26 Jul 2015, 02:08

Item #7 is enda vidattil yAn arindu in rItigauLa by Lingappa Naidu.
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#458 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by sankark » 23 Apr 2016, 22:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLuQIAjWH74

So SSI is weaving his magic is given. But who are the violinist & mridangist? That elevates the overall effect to ethereal heights. And whenever SSI goes ..ttti or srngaaara the accents that mridangist bring out is a joy to behold errr.. what is the aural equivalent for behold?
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#459 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by shankarank » 24 Apr 2016, 08:05

The nadai, sarva laghu gives away the Mridangist - that is Sri Vellore Ramabhadran. And it is also a kucchi Mridangam.
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#460 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by vasanthakokilam » 24 Apr 2016, 23:37

A different question on the SSI rendition of Chetulara. I assume the youtube title is wrong, it is not karaharapriya but bhairavi right?

But the way SSI sings 'jēsi' of ''cētulāra śṛṅgāramu jēsi" sounds quite Karaharapriyaish to my ears. It is probably me, would not dare to question the doyen,

Checked the Ramani version here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6BABhzyquE and that phrase comes across more bhairavish.
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#461 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by SrinathK » 25 Apr 2016, 09:48

I thought SSI sang it in Natabhairavi.
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#462 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by kvchellappa » 27 Apr 2016, 16:18

I referred to someone who can identify the swaras. He says that second daivatham or higher is sung. Can it be natabhairavi?
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#463 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by Pasupathy » 27 Apr 2016, 16:54

S Rajam always sang this in Natabhairavi; used to say that is how Papanasam Sivan .... a traditionalist ...taught him.
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#464 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by RaviSri » 27 Apr 2016, 18:05

The problem with 'chEtulAra' is this: In the Walajapet list of about 800 songs which I have seen at the Music Academy library, 'chEtulAra' is listed as Nata Bhairavi. Thyagaraja must therefore have composed it in Nata Bhairavi. Nata Bhairavi probably morphed into Bhairavi in particular schools and into Karaharapriya in certain others. What Semmangudi does is to show a bit of Nata Bhairavi in the beginning and then he moves on to Bhairavi. Though the Walajapet list shows it as Nata Bhairavi, Brinda-Muktha sang and taught this song in Bhairavi only.
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#465 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by vasanthakokilam » 28 Apr 2016, 06:11

OK, thanks all.

One question then. The way SSI sings 'jēsi' of ''cētulāra śṛṅgāramu jēsi" , is that more Karaharapriya or natabhairavi or it can fit either one equally well?
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#466 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by SrinathK » 28 Apr 2016, 08:29

@RaviSri, Coming from a parampara that is the closest thing we can get to a time machine, you all should share the versions of the compositions you know with the world. The things you speak of are probably not available in any recordings anywhere and in today's age, it is a real loss if history forgets them.
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#467 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by rshankar » 28 Apr 2016, 16:24

Exactly what I have asking both Sri Ravi and Sri MKR to do....
Even if they record their memoirs on a tape recorder, there will be people lining up to transcribe and edit them...
So, PLEASE.......
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#468 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by RaviSri » 28 Apr 2016, 17:58

Of course I will. Always ready to share whatever I know. If anyone of you lives in South India, Tamilnadu in particular, you can meet me at my place with a recorder. You can mail me to know where I live. It is not far from Madras.
The way SSI sings 'jēsi' of ''cētulāra śṛṅgāramu jēsi" , is that more Karaharapriya or natabhairavi or it can fit either one equally well?
It does fit both as far as I can decipher.
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#469 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by vasanthakokilam » 29 Apr 2016, 01:24

RaviSri, both from the swara perspective as well as gamaka and characteristic phrases?
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#470 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by RaviSri » 29 Apr 2016, 17:43

Only swara perspective. I dont know where SSI picked up this song, not from Brindamma certainly, probably from the nAgaswara vidvAns.
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#471 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by RaviSri » 30 Apr 2016, 17:58

The Tiruveezhimizhalai Bros, Subramanya Pillai and Natarajasundaram Pillai, nAgaswaram maestros were known for their exquisite rendering of Thyagaraja kritis with due importance to sahitya bhava. They got their collection of Thyagaraja kritis rather in a strange way. They sent their younger brother Kalyanasundaram Pillai to Kanchipuram to do gurukulavasam under Naina Pillai. Kalyanasundaram was a student of Naina Pillai along with Brinda-Muktha, Chittoor Subramanya Pillai and N.S.Krishnaswamy Iyengar. Kalyanasundaram, when he went on leave to his village, would sing the songs to his elder brothers and they learnt it from him. For a long time Naina Pillai was not aware of this arrangement until, once, he heard the Bros play Thyagaraja kritis at a marriage. He expressed surprise to the Bros that their version of the kritis corresponded with his, upon which the Bros had to let the cat out of the bag. Naina was amazed and exclaimed, "Oh, what a way to learn!" This is only a prelude to the next moving story.

Needamangalam Meenakshisundaram Pillai who was hailed as Abhinava Nandi was the stock tavil accompanist for the Tiruveezhimizhalai Bros. Their playing of 'chEtulAra' in the company of Needamangalam was exquisite and was looked forward to by rasikas and vidvans alike. When Needamangalam died in 1946, the Bros felt they were orphaned. They stopped playing 'chEtrulAra' in their programmes. When pressed they would say that Needamangalam had taken the song away with him and that without him, their playing of the song would just resemble a skeleton.
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#472 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by bhakthim dehi » 30 Apr 2016, 19:28

Ravisri, can you mention the book or manuscript which says chetulara must be sung in natabhairavi?
I am raising this question as Valajapet version was in karaharapriya. The magnum opus Oriental music in European notation by Sri Chinnasvami mudaliyar lists this kriti as karaharapriya. Also he has notated the same. We very well know the source for Mudaliyar is a Valajapet disciple. So it would be of great help if you can say the source of this information which you have given.
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#473 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by RaviSri » 02 May 2016, 18:21

I think I have already mentioned that the Music Academy library has a list of Thyagaraja's compositions from the Walajapet manuscripts. I have seen it at the Academy library sometime in the 1980s. Therein chEtulAra is mentioned as being in naTa bhairavi. The list must originally have been in Telugu script but the Academy copied it from Saurashtra Sabha, Madurai and transcribed the list into English. The song 'sattalEni dinamunu' is mentioned as being in sAmantA and the song abimAnamu is mentioned as being in mAnji (This song is notated in AndhALi in the Thillaistanam book and Balamurali sings it in AndhALi). Of course sItamma mAtammA in lalitA, jnAnamosgarAdA in ShaDvidamArgiNi etc are some of the other songs mentioned. There are other such ragas, which I forget now. Those who have the time can visit the Academy library and take a look at the list.
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#474 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by vasanthakokilam » 03 May 2016, 09:01

btw, I am quite confused as to what raga the SSI version of Chetulara is. I listened to it again today. Other than that 'jēsi' of cētulāra śṛṅgāramu jēsi' which sounds quite karaharapriya'ish, rest of it has a strong Bhairavi slant but not deeply so, which left some room for doubt in my mind. I do not know nata bhairavi much at all and so I thought may be it is NB. But that all evaporated when SSI sings 'jutti' of sura taru sumamula siga niṇḍa juṭṭi ( towards the end, around the 7:50 to 8:10 mark ) it sounds unmistakably Bhairavi to me. Do you all hear it that way too?
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#475 Re: Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer

Post by varsha » 03 May 2016, 09:40

I do not know nata bhairavi much at all and so I thought may be it is NB. But that all evaporated when SSI sings 'jutti' of sura taru sumamula siga niṇḍa juṭṭi ( towards the end, around the 7:50 to 8:10 mark ) it sounds unmistakably Bhairavi to me. Do you all hear it that way too?
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