K.J.Yesudas

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cameo
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#1 K.J.Yesudas

Post by cameo » 06 Sep 2008, 11:46

Hello All,

Shall we discuss about the presence of the 'Ganagandharvan' KJY in carnatic music. I mean ,generally,His kutcheris,magical voice, How do you rate him or how do you like him etc etc and his contributions to carnatic classical music


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Post by srkris » 06 Sep 2008, 21:41

Please start threads in proper categories. I have moved this to Vidwans from General Discussions.
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Post by revanthv552 » 07 Sep 2008, 11:52

He is an amazing vocalist according to me...
the ease with which he sings rare compositions is astonishing.....
I have happened to here him render the rAgam kanakAngi...i was really amazed with the way he rendered the ragam[as i heard it was tough to handle this ragam]
He is a wonderful example for showing that religion,caste or anything is never a barrier to sing carnatic music....The devotion and melody in his voice add a beauty to his scholarly knowledge...
He is a blessed musician....And as he was under tutelage of Sri Chembai, no doubt he is a star today...
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Post by ganesh_mourthy » 07 Sep 2008, 19:36

harivarasanam by KJY is one that I enjoy .
but I have listend to that sung by Sirgazhi and I could not find that anywhere , neither in the web nor in the stores. does anyone have that willing to share??? not the one by sivachidambarman but by his father.
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Post by cameo » 29 Nov 2008, 15:13

but y i asked is whenever in a forum discussed on top ranked carnatic artists, I could hardly see his name topping the chart.
is he not any better than sanjay subramaniam,TNK or whoever is listed in those.. ?

Why is it so?

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Post by poornashadjam » 10 Dec 2008, 23:01

Sri Yesudas is certainly one musician who has brought popularity to carnatic music. Even those who have not even heard of a single carnatic concert , would have attended a carnatic concert of Sri Yesudas. His music is different and we cartainly cannot compare his bani with others . That would not be fair. Each musician has his own positives and negatives . It depends on the stage of the listener as to who will be his favourite singer. When once goes and listens to a number of concerts by various singers, he will , over a period of time be able to classify in his own way as to why he is attracted to aparticular style and a particular singer. When one understands the depth of carnatic music he doesn't see the voice or the melody of the singer , you will only go to listen to his vidwath or gnanam or azhuthham. As far as I am concerned , carnatic music is more to do with "vidwath or gnanam or azhuthham" aspects more than melody.
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Post by cmlover » 11 Dec 2008, 01:51

To a large extent CM 'vidvath' is a matter of personal preference. If there is a general survey among the general population KJY will win hands down! But then the 'so called' 'self-styled gurus' of CM will not admit him as even mediocre. There is no set criteria for judging the best except through personal prejudices. Again many get carried away by the 'so-called' expert opinions without knowing the criteria for evaluation. It is at times the story of 'emperor has no clothes' :)
KJY is as classical as any of the leading CM performers and his shruti is impeccable though at times he over do's. There are folks who will not even consider BMK (a legend) as a top CM performer; just because he sings his own kritis which are equally weighty. The die-hards look only for the Trinity and act as though the Trinity has visited them in their dreams and coronated a specific performer(s) as the best CM performer. The sabhas also toe the line. Madurai Somu one of thhe best was never recognized by the clique just because he sang a lot of emotive 'Tamil' songs. In fact during the early part of 20th century 'Tamil' was considered nIca bhASha by the then CM greats (and some even consider malayalam as one even to-day!). Again they act as though Chennai is the center of CM Universe. Fortunately Bangalore (and Thruvanathapuram...) is exploding the myth.

Who said the playing ground is level in CM?

By the by KJY is padma bhuShan if I remember correctly....
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Post by coolkarni » 11 Dec 2008, 09:19

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Post by gn.sn42 » 11 Dec 2008, 09:25

coolkarni wrote:with my limited experience in listening
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Post by coolkarni » 11 Dec 2008, 09:29

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Post by VK RAMAN » 11 Dec 2008, 09:52

CMLover has hit the nail on the head. Malladi concert chennai had only one tamil song and it was questioned why they did not sing songs with tamil lyrics? It seems Chennai wants to claim that they are the champions and torch bearers of CM.
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Post by poornashadjam » 11 Dec 2008, 11:46

Hi,

DO you need a second opinion on that ? Chennai IS the centre for carnatic music . It has been the happenning place for almost half a century for carnatic musicians and rasikas.

All languages are good and is the medium of communication and there may be some languages like Telugu , sanskrit etc ,(Urdu also) that is more soft and that may be the reason why Trinities have taken Sanakrit / telugu language for their compositions. No doubt the compositions are captivating and hence these have seen the concert platforms for generations . We are all, sort of ,used to these Trinity compositions. With repeated listening , we get related to the songs . Take for example The Akilandeswari in Dwijavanthi or a Chakkani raja songs ...we will be immediately be able to relate to it. But , same is not the case with say Shree Bhargaveee of Dikshitar - This is a beautiful piece but not popular.This piece has not been sung by our musicians often in concerts ...so it is not popular. This is what is happening to Tamil compositions .We need to sing them or listen to them repeatedly in the concerts . Only then we can see these on equal footings with Telugu compositions.

It is the duty of our musicians to popularise the great tamil compositions . We have a treasure hidden unearthed still . Let us do our bit to make it a point to bring that out . The point is we have to keep listening to these songs repeatedly . I, as a musician ,am particular that I sing either the sub main or the main a tamil composition.
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Post by coolkarni » 11 Dec 2008, 12:12

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Post by poornashadjam » 11 Dec 2008, 13:02

I am N Sridhar (vocalist) , a student of Susarla Sivaram , TMT Sir and Tanjore Sankara Iyer . I am unfortunate to be away from Chennai and India for the past three months . I am away on an official business . I am getting to know the happennings, this season, through this site.

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Post by coolkarni » 11 Dec 2008, 13:08

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Post by poornashadjam » 11 Dec 2008, 13:55

Mr Koolkarni .

I learnt from Sankara Iyer Sir , during 1993-94 under a sponsorship programme from YACM. I was in my college then . Our relationship still continues - every time I meet him , he teaches a new song . I always admire him for all his profound knowledge and his simplicity. When I am back in India , I will meet him . He does not easily forget anyone . He will be able to recollect and recognise you. Will be a pleasure if you can join me when I meet him, on my return to India.

Thinking - how best I can do something concrete to this Doyen , befitting his scholarship.


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Post by cmlover » 11 Dec 2008, 22:07

Bravo coolkarni!
spoken like a gentleman and a True Rasika without any Pride or Prejudice. How nice it will be if every Lover of CM (call them Rasikas if you will) were just as frank and open like you!

It is a small group o die-hards who are stifling the growth of CM by stifling it in strait-jackets called Bhakti/Language/Trinity/SSP...etc., Most of us get brain-washed listening to them and by putting them on a pedestal. The tragedy is they inculcate their prejudices onto their 'shishyas' and promote them as the model for the future 'petrification' of CM in their chosen mold. Having hobnobbed with the oldies for a generation I know how much stink there is in those buckets which I will not unload here! At least some of the younger generation of CM artistes are breaking those shackles and are bringing in a breath of fresh air to clear that 'stink'.

I acknowledge the musical genius of the Trinity. But they did have their personal prejudices just like any other humans! It is totally wrong to deify them just for their musical ability. If that is true CM should be littered with saints as we had/have 'giants' with similar musical skills. Their compositions have no real literary or poetic value compared to those of many others. Even Telugu scholars consider Thyagaraja compositions prosaic and mundane (even lack of ideas!) and the language not even pure! (Shoot me down if you consider this a blasphemy!) I cannot comment on these issues since I am Telugu ignorant but am getting convinced more and more after reading the interpretaions of T's lyrics by VGV!). On the other hand Dikshitar's Sanskrit is very ordinary (just a string of hyperbolic Tatpurushas and bahuvrihis) which will not hold a candle to any other (even) mediocre sanskrit composition of a lay poet. Just stringing together 'namaami/vandEham/smaraami/cintayaami/....' to over 50 deities (incarnations of a selected few but of course the only Brahman) does not make a composition with any laudable literary merit! In spite of the pedestrian nature of their compositions I do admit their music is par excellence and my obeisance to them for gifting it to CM. But the self same music should be liberated from their prosaic compositions to be enjoyed by the millions in all other languages/ culture groups. If Rama and Krishna will respond to CM who said Jesus and Allah /Mother India will not respond to the same emotive CM!

I should stop digressing from the topic of this thread. I know the strugggle KJy had to go through to get to learn CM in spite of his tremendous talent. None of the 'elites' in Chennai would accept him as a sishya due to their built-in brahmin prejudice (one can see it is even rampant in Thyagaraja's compositions which was the order of the day during the 19th century!) Finally the iconoclast Chembai did deign to accept KJY against all oppositions too late but taught him only for two years before his demise. What KJY is in CM today is self-made and he does not display any Chembai in his PaaNi. KJY has wailed for not having been born as an Iyer or Iyengar to have had the previlege of learning CM traditionally under a proper Guru. His exile into the film-world was out of necessity. His heart was all along in CM while the Establishment always considered him a 'pariah'. If GKB were alive he would have penned a moving 'KJY Charithram' based on KJY's devotion to Lord Ayyappa. His travails to get to sing in front of Guruvayoorappan is yet another story!
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Post by cameo » 11 Dec 2008, 22:24

let me give a break to thank all those who posted on this topic,

i was eager to read all those posts especially CMlovers last post.. Though im a diehard fan of KJY,i came to know about this,his struggle to get traditional teaching in CM during his earlier days due to those mentioned stuffs,im wondered..of course i am entirely new to this forum..and the CM world..

anyways,hope the thread doesnt break,
by the way,i managed to get an autograph from KJY and a moment to wish him after todays kutcheri at NGS.


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Post by VK RAMAN » 12 Dec 2008, 01:13

We admit Tamil is rich so are other languages and the singer hailing from which ever part of India should sing the songs he feels comfortable maintaining the integrity of the lyrics. Goodluck to Poornashadjam in his musical journey.
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Post by poornashadjam » 12 Dec 2008, 12:41

Thank you very much Sri VK Raman and Sri Coolkarni for the wises.

I have uploaded a few kritis from my recent Ramana kendra concert at chennai . It will be my pleasure and a great help if you can please listen to them and give me your valuable feed back. I dont know whether it be ok if I give the link here . Else can you please share your personal ids.

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Post by coolkarni » 12 Dec 2008, 13:16

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Post by poornashadjam » 12 Dec 2008, 13:42

Thanks for that Mr Coolkarni .

The link is http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d3ea ... b9a8902bda

There are three songs in the upload in ragas - Divyamani , Ranjani and Mayamalavagowlai. For Ranjani I have sung the ragam.


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Post by cameo » 12 Dec 2008, 14:46

Awesome...

sir, do you teach ?


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Post by poornashadjam » 12 Dec 2008, 15:26

Yes ! I do that at a very limited level ( mostly because of time constriants ) when in chennai . I work for a Software company and sometimes I am on travel . When I am away I do the teaching through the Skype/ gtalk. I prefer my students at levels - Varnam and above.


Request you to please listen to the link above .

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Post by cmlover » 12 Dec 2008, 18:38

Very nice Sridhar.
I echo the sentiments of coolkarni and consider it a privilege to have you in our midst. Your singing is very refined and classical as well as you have a strong Tri sthAyi voice. I could see the strong influence of TMT in you!
The ranjani was just superb and I spontaneously joined your audience in the accolade.
Whose kriti is that? (?TSI)
Do share more with us and also contribute your wealth of knowledge in our discussions.

Thank you!
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