K.J.Yesudas

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vijay
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Post by vijay » 12 Dec 2008, 23:17

Thanks Sridhar - will certainly give it a listen and wish you all the best for your musical endeavours. My own advice as a layman and (possibly) as someone junior to you is to look for the best compositions in all languages including Tamil.

Coming back, to the thread, KJY epitomizes a breed of musicians who are adored by the masses and panned by critics. I've always wondered why they get so much flak. I am not a great fan or KJY - despite the out of the world Thodi above - but I can't find anything wrong with his music either (to the limited extent I listen to it). You don't get to that level if you are "bad" or even average.

It is true that the masses stream in for the Brahma Mokattis and what have you - but the pre tani section is usually quite fine - sometimes even enjoyable. I think that the critics are probably infuriated by the disconnect between the quality of the music and the response of the audience which is, more often than not, true of such artistes.

Perhaps there are also some glaring technical deficiencies which are beyond my grasp. Coolji would remember certain finer points about the music of a certain giant at the dinner table! However such technical points are usually missing from the gripes of critics or die-hards who all too often couch their criticism in impenetrable jargon like lack of vidwat etc without getting into the specifics.

I am listening to the Thodi - what a fine effort it is, despite the Hindolam overdose in the middle and the falsetto at the end...if there is anything lacking, it is only restraint...but also notice where the applause comes!
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#27

Post by vijay » 12 Dec 2008, 23:30

Sridhar, I heard the Mayamalavagowla - phenomenal stuff!! You really ought to be performing in Chennai!
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VK RAMAN
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#28

Post by VK RAMAN » 13 Dec 2008, 01:08

Lovely renditions Sridhar. Thanks for sharing those three songs. We are blessed to have you among us in our musical journey together.
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Post by poornashadjam » 13 Dec 2008, 01:09

Your comments are really encouraging Sirs. Thanks a lot. Mr cmlover - the ranjani song is composed by Lalita santhanam.

Mr Vijay - I am unfortunately away from India now ( back only on the 24th). I did not accept any concerts this December. I would have done a few concerts had I been in Chennai. But the December Music scene for upcoming musicains like me, with no proper push and god fathers, is extremely discouraging . It is really unfortunate that one needs to do a lot of self marketing and keep calling the sabhas repeatedly even for afternoon slots. There are also cases where money plays . It is Disgusting sometimes .

Regards
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Post by cmlover » 13 Dec 2008, 01:23

Sridhar
Was it the wife of Maharajapuram Santhanam?

I weep for the politics played at Chennai (and elsewhere) where capable musicians like you are sidelined. While CM transports us to a dream world the real world is harsh and unkind just as the biography of KJY depicts who however did succeed despite the machinations of Sabhas and envious Peers!

But you have a fan-base right here and we will enjoy your music with genuine appreciation whenever you are ready! Good Luck!
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Post by poornashadjam » 13 Dec 2008, 01:34

Mr cmlover,

I am delighted and am always ready for music.

This Lalita santhanam is not any way related to Maharajapuram nor is she to be confused with Lalita santhanam of Sattur Sisters.
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#32

Post by VK RAMAN » 13 Dec 2008, 02:18

This site has 45+ of Sri KJY renditions for listen and download:
LINK REMOVED BY ADMIN
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Post by coolkarni » 13 Dec 2008, 07:58

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#34

Post by vasanthakokilam » 13 Dec 2008, 09:03

Sridhar: That is fantastic. Very good singing. Thanks for sharing your music with us.
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#35

Post by musicfan_4201 » 13 Dec 2008, 11:22

CML,
You seem to suffer from Trinityfobia. Whilst the whole music world have acclaimed their genius, you seem to differ from it. None of the three propagated their music, it was their sishyas and us who have accepted wholeheartedly. Why comment on the quality of the compositions? Thyagaraja never composed for others to sing but it was his feelings which was expressed in a musical form. I need not teach you that as you are extremely learned and well versed in many subjects!
MD's compositions in sanskrit is ordinary per you. But that ordinary is extraordinary for the whole world.
I am not sure whether it is this thread or somewhere you have claimed that many composers seek musicians to tune and sing their compositions and they were demanded payment to do so. Where as the trinity compositions have been accepted by one and all, which is because of certain specialty that it has. And a few who sing these compositions claim copyrights. Again, the reason why musicians cling to the trinity compositions which is because of reluctance to change and accepting a change is difficult and takes time. This is not only in the music world but in every facet of life (process changes in companies, style of living etc) Why blame only the musicians for that?
KJY has gone thru a rough time in being accepted as sishya or as a CM. Quite true, but is it only him. There are many more (past-present-future) musicians whether it be bhramin / non bhramin. Who is to blame for that. It is US because we keep attending / hero worshiping a few musicians who are famous / have attained FAME (TNS, Sanjay and the like and this is applicable to past heroes as well). A TNS concert even in a bad day attracts a full house where as a real good musician attracts not more than 50 audience. If TNS ends his concert in 2 hours after starting 30 mins late, the justification given by his die hard fans is, many of the audiences walked out and therefore he would have decided to end it soon:)
This will not change unless and until we change our mindset.
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Post by Nick H » 13 Dec 2008, 12:28

I think that CML only reminds us that Carnatic music does not begin and end with three people. His words remind us, also, that if they are to be appreciated, it should be for the right reasons, and not without criticism, if criticism is due.

You may say that it easy for me, as a non-Indian, to say this, but I have always been a little uncomfortable with the attribution of sainthood! For what are we attributing sainthood to thyagaraja? For meditating upon Ram for every minute of his existence? I don't argue with that, but it is a religious accomplishment, not a musical one.

However, I still say, as a non-Indian, non-Hindu, non-musically-experienced (compared to professionals, academics or better-informed rasikas) individual, that Thyagaraja's music has always struck a chord (forgive the technically inappropriate and unintended pun!) with me. It is no small thing to write a great melody, and I'm tempted (but not really qualified) to say that he ranks with other composers of the world, saints or not, such as Beathoven, Mozart, Lennon; the people who have given us the tunes we hum, whether or not we know where they came from.

I can appreciate Thyagaraja's melodies. I can also understand that a devotee of Ram finds greater, perhaps deeper, experience in listening to those melodies, and that for them it includes religious experience.

I can also listen to Handel's fabulous Messiah and be moved to tears of joy, without being a Christian.

When music truly moves us, it is a transcendent, spiritual experience: it doesn't matter whether the origin of the music is religious or not. All music is equal in that respect and potential (OK, perhaps some music is more equal than others!). It is given to a few performers, artists, actors, to be able to move us in this way. I could even add priests to the list: how many pujas have you all experienced, and how many have brought you the experience of deep inner peace or inspiration?

About KJY. His voice is like velvet. My objections are that he likes to talk about religion, which is not what I go to a concert to hear, and that he does not give fair share of the time to his accompanists. It must be four years at least since I last saw him sing; I could be way off the mark for today. I can say that I certainly appreciate his dedication and struggle against the establishment to even get to sing at all.

I have a ticket covering one of his concerts this year; it's time I updated my experience!
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#37

Post by cameo » 17 Dec 2008, 11:24

adding to my woes...
here's one more..
I have been reading the kutcheri reviews, though i know nothing abt it..just curious on what is being performed.
and to my knowledge,there were about 2-3 concerts of KJY during the last few days. .
but no reviews ?
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Post by kaumaaram » 31 Dec 2008, 12:12

cameo wrote:adding to my woes...
here's one more..
I have been reading the kutcheri reviews, though i know nothing abt it..just curious on what is being performed.
and to my knowledge,there were about 2-3 concerts of KJY during the last few days. .
but no reviews ?
KJY has the distinction of bringing the crowd listen to CM by his magical voice. His renditions sometimes have been pretty excellent. His shruti scale might be low, yet his voice had captivated the audience. I have been mesmerised by his voice. If his concerts have not been reviewed, it might be sheer omission or least prejudice and nothing more. Since his improvisation process had suffered due to his association with the film music, it is likely that everyone gets a feel that he is a good semi-classical artist.

About three concerts could found in my folder:

www.sangeethamshare.org/kaumaram

And also the Tamil Isai Sangam concert in the main page of Sangeethapriya.

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads ... lisai1986/

He has rendered two Thiruppugazh songs excellently well.
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Post by raghavt » 08 Jul 2009, 04:44

K J Yesudas (Dasettan as Mallus call him affectionately; Gaanagandharvan - as many in my state say...). What is so special about him???

1. God-Gifted Razor sharp, Crystal clear voice and 110% adherence to Shruti
2. Can easily go all octaves (downwards and upwards)
3. Good diction (he keeps on improving it)

I hope everyone know some facts: MSG, TNK, TVG etc had accompanied him on the violin and the mrudangam (respectively) when he was more actively involved in singing concerts.

As we all know, he is more into playback singing. So, when we compare him to full time Vidwans, he may lag when it comes to Sangatis and also manodharmam. Regarding his Vidwat, I don't want to stir the hornet's nest by commenting on it :) But, he is still one of my favorite artists when I talk about playback singing, but not in the field of Carnatic Music.
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Post by vallaki » 09 Jul 2009, 01:37

IMO, I always think of K.J.Yesudas only as a play back singer more than as a Carnatic Vidhwan.
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Post by VK RAMAN » 09 Jul 2009, 04:17

raghavt: What do you mean by Mallus?
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Post by Lakshman » 09 Jul 2009, 04:47

Mallus means Malayalis like Gujaratis are called Gujjus.
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Post by raghavt » 09 Jul 2009, 08:01

vallaki wrote:IMO, I always think of K.J.Yesudas only as a play back singer more than as a Carnatic Vidhwan.
Exactly
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Post by raghavt » 09 Jul 2009, 08:02

Lakshman wrote:Mallus means Malayalis like Gujaratis are called Gujjus.
Mallus = Malayalam speaking people (like me) :)
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Post by vganesh » 09 Jul 2009, 09:49

KJY is an inspiration for many people to listen CM in Kerala. Nowadays not many songs in Malayalam has the same explicit CM as it was during 70s & 80s.
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#46

Post by VK RAMAN » 09 Jul 2009, 09:56

How are tamil speaking people called, Kongan?
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Post by raghavt » 09 Jul 2009, 22:51

vganesh wrote:KJY is an inspiration for many people to listen CM in Kerala. Nowadays not many songs in Malayalam has the same explicit CM as it was during 70s & 80s.
Yes, but that inspiration is limited to semi-classical stuff either taken from films or devotional albums. I know some people who went to listen to music concerts of other vidwans after hearing KJY. They said they could not 'digest' it as it was too 'heavy' and 'boring' :)

Now with the demise of the master composer Raveendran, classical touch in the songs are less. Also, the film songs are now 'trendy' in line with other language films (weak copies of Hindi and Tamil film music).
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Post by vallaki » 10 Jul 2009, 01:41

VK RAMAN wrote:How are tamil speaking people called, Kongan?
gULTI = Telugu Speaking
Mallu - Malayalam speaking

For People not living in the southern 4 states, we are all 'Madrasis'
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#49

Post by cameo » 23 Dec 2009, 17:45

Any reason why there is no concert of his in the Music Academy during this season?
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#50 Re: About Padmashri K.J Yesudas

Post by cpblog » 30 Sep 2010, 16:33

Respected Rasikas,

Inviting you all to a "Parvathi", Mysuru concert from April 18, 1976 with
K.J.Yesudas ----Vocal
Mysore M Nagaraj -----Violin
Erode Gururajan ------Mridangam
Sheshagiri Das -----Khanjira
Manjunath ----Ghatam

Please enjoy!!! at
http://chowdaiahandparvati.blogspot.com/
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