Brilliant artists not fully recognized by the public&sabhas

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 08 Aug 2010, 23:16

I think placing certain persons like MDR under this title category only EXPOSES THE UTTER IGNORANCE OF not only various organisations like M.A. ETC but the persons who are not objecting to it.. He does not need analysis & approbation frm ANY ONE. HIS MUSIC speaks for itself. If he was not given S.K. by the M.A. it just shows that either IGNORANCE or ABILITY to recognise the OBVIOUS. It must not be surprising because Mali& LGJ were not awarded the recognition at the PROPER TIME. ITS to the credit of Sri.Murali HE IS AT LEAST TRYING TO straighten OUT THE DOG'S TAIL....VKV

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 09 Aug 2010, 16:12

Still Hoping that Mods will Change the Title of this thread to something more respectful.

http://www.mediafire.com/?hu2vmdtdlvgidk4
P Purushottam Sastry
With -G.Ramamohan Rao-Kamalakar Rao (18-5-1983)
If you cannot handle the krithi -SamuganaNilvaKalgunaKamalanana....KokilaVarali-without breaking down , please keep your smelling salts ready before hitting PLAY.
As my Dad would say : Who needs Heaven in after-Life.It is here when such musicians sing

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 09 Aug 2010, 16:50

cacm wrote:I think placing certain persons like MDR under this title category only EXPOSES THE UTTER IGNORANCE OF not only various organisations like M.A. ETC but the persons who are not objecting to it.. He does not need analysis & approbation frm ANY ONE. HIS MUSIC speaks for itself. If he was not given S.K. by the M.A. it just shows that either IGNORANCE or ABILITY to recognise the OBVIOUS. It must not be surprising because Mali& LGJ were not awarded the recognition at the PROPER TIME. ITS to the credit of Sri.Murali HE IS AT LEAST TRYING TO straighten OUT THE DOG'S TAIL....VKV

Kindly include TNR also in the list. Once Pithamahar boldly mentioned this in MA itself.

Thanjavooran 09 08 2010

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 09 Aug 2010, 17:00

mankuthimma wrote:Still Hoping that Mods will Change the Title of this thread to something more respectful.

http://www.mediafire.com/?hu2vmdtdlvgidk4
P Purushottam Sastry
With -G.Ramamohan Rao-Kamalakar Rao (18-5-1983)
If you cannot handle the krithi -SamuganaNilvaKalgunaKamalanana....KokilaVarali-without breaking down , please keep your smelling salts ready before hitting PLAY.
As my Dad would say : Who needs Heaven in after-Life.It is here when such musicians sing

A more apt title would be Disgrace / Loss to Institutions who could not apreciate good music and honour artist at the appropriate time.
First in the list would be Music Academy (though they have done a tremendous service to the Art there has been a Huge failing or fall out)

gmohan · Post by **gmohan** » 09 Aug 2010, 19:55

mankuthimma wrote:Still Hoping that Mods will Change the Title of this thread to something more respectful.

http://www.mediafire.com/?hu2vmdtdlvgidk4
P Purushottam Sastry
With -G.Ramamohan Rao-Kamalakar Rao (18-5-1983)
If you cannot handle the krithi -SamuganaNilvaKalgunaKamalanana....KokilaVarali-without breaking down , please keep your smelling salts ready before hitting PLAY.
As my Dad would say : Who needs Heaven in after-Life.It is here when such musicians sing

Very nice, downloaded and finished listening in one go, really enjoyed it. Thanks
Mohan

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 09 Aug 2010, 22:42

mankuthimma wrote:Still Hoping that Mods will Change the Title of this thread to something more respectful.

Please suggest an alternative title.

"Brilliant but not famous musicians" ?
Anything better ?

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 10 Aug 2010, 01:02

The word famous is subject to perception based in this case at least on ILL CONCEIVED & IRRELELEVENT(MOSTLY) CRITERIA....May be: Brilliant but not fully recognised as such by public perception or words to that effect. VKV

thenpaanan · Post by **thenpaanan** » 10 Aug 2010, 03:58

mankuthimma wrote:http://www.esnips.com/doc/2c450358-a768 ... harmavathi

A great phase from a concert in Hubli , 17 years ago.Will come back with the name of the artists , if someone is interested 8)

Listening to this piece is one of those rare times when time stands still.... the mark of a true artist. First she draws you in by sheer virtuosity and you stop thinking about other things. Next you are trying to guess what she is going to do next at every turn but she keeps surprising you at every step. Now you are hooked as surely as a fish on bait and cannot let go. Then the music pervades your being and you are on a cloud, not wanting to come down. Suddenly some forty minutes have gone by.

Thanks again, Coolji.That was spectacular.

-Thenpaanan

Ps. When the violin went to mantrasthAyi in the AlApana (somewhere in the vicinity of 8:45 and again around 9:40), there was a certain roughness that made it sound like a flute. Quite an interesting but fleeting effect. I had never heard it before.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 10 Aug 2010, 04:02

VKV's suggestion of "Brilliant but not fully recognized" sounds good to me. I have changed the title to reflect that.

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 10 Aug 2010, 08:44

vasanthakokilam wrote:VKV's suggestion of "Brilliant but not fully recognized" sounds good to me. I have changed the title to reflect that.

VK, why only the public. It is also the Music Sabhas who have ignored/neglected!
It will be more apt to include that as well!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 10 Aug 2010, 10:46

fduddy, ok, edited to include that. The title holds only so many letters, so I had to move/change words around a bit. It is packed to the max now!!

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 10 Aug 2010, 11:07

http://www.mediafire.com/?zotfh7ioutjvkb4
Thanks VK . We can squeeze in more worthy names now.

Pristine Veena . Will bring in the artist's name a bit later just to give the artistry an unconditioned look.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 12 Aug 2010, 06:43

# 87
That was P VasanthKumar on the Veena playing a concert in Hubli.

Here is Kazhugumalai Kandaswamy in a sparring session with his Guru Madurai Somu - an immortal track.

http://www.mediafire.com/?f8d8s2q1vdlpl12

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 16 Aug 2010, 09:19

http://www.mediafire.com/?jt8c6ho66h62f9d

A fine RTP in Hindolam.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 17 Aug 2010, 06:43

That was by Shakunthala Narasimhan

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 17 Aug 2010, 10:26

Fantastic RTP. Thanks Thimma. I will use this as an illustrative piece for the kaLai discussion in the thala forum.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 17 Aug 2010, 11:18

I will use this as an illustrative piece

Not surprising . Keerthi trains under SN , too.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 17 Aug 2010, 11:31

Ah... I did not know that. Excellent.

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 17 Aug 2010, 15:56

Thank you for Shakuntala Narasimhan's RTP - it is excellent.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 11 Sep 2010, 09:40

Track 1 http://www.mediafire.com/?1tm8k5958g4gy18
Upplapatti Ankiah - Akellaji

Track 2 http://www.mediafire.com/?wc7dasb3qe50504
Sathur Subramaniam

Track 3 http://www.mediafire.com/?y7k5d11bzbo87en
Mayavaram S Rajam

Track 4 http://www.mediafire.com/?yj2g8a10kvos5se
Tripunithara Viswanatha Bhavathar

Track 5 http://www.mediafire.com/?j94ct7txs9o8nex
Dr K Vageesh.

Track 6 http://www.mediafire.com/?892zn569zr8dihi
Singanallur Radhakrishnan

Track 7 http://www.mediafire.com/?7i4tc9j1h0dfmdj
M Balasubrahmanya Sarma

Continuing from where I left off in the Ghatam-Grinder thread , I propose to tickle rasikas with atleast 100 tracks.
And try to gage, how big is the gap , between Inherent Virtue and Moderate fame in our circles.
I was not good at identifying either .
Will stick to short and compelling phases in concerts.
On demand I can bring in the full concert / excerpt .

knrh05 · Post by **knrh05** » 12 Sep 2010, 07:12

is the Bhaja Govindam track Sathur Subramaniam? No clue about the rest.

KN

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 12 Sep 2010, 07:41

Excellent . KN.
You (others ) could mention a few lines if you liked something about it. Applies to other tracks too.

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 12 Sep 2010, 18:57

mankuthimma sir,
some clues, please!
enjoying the vachaspati RTP immensely, would love to know the artistes!

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 12 Sep 2010, 19:22

I thought One was obvious to you . Where Rathipathipriya is touted as sharadapriya ( veena Venkatagiryappa's composition )
The case where someone gave up a career in science , for one in art :tmi:

Vachaspathi was by Uppalpatti Ankiah . Our Guruji Akella Sarma is on the violin here. MSG's Ekalavya

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 12 Sep 2010, 20:10

Track # 7 is Nedanuru Krishnamurthy.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 12 Sep 2010, 21:17

Sreeni Rajarao wrote:Track # 7 is Nedanuru Krishnamurthy.

Sorry
MS Balasubramanya Sarma

narayan · Post by **narayan** » 12 Sep 2010, 23:49

Dear mankuthimma,

As someone who has benefitted immensely by several unknown people recording and archiving music, I must first of all thank you for all that you have done and continue to do.

My question in this thread is "what exactly is the problem with obscurity"? If some musicians are forced into dire circumstances because of economic reasons, it is one thing. But fame and fortune and public approval of thousands or hundreds or whatever the right number is for CM, anyway comes to very few, and that is probably how it will always be? That is why I would hope that the art thrives in many more forums than the concert stage and that rasikas can be found in places other than auditoriums. In fact, obscurity, forced or chosen, can play a big role in peaceful development of a style away from the public pressure of having to please instantly. Only strong minded or committed persons can probably do that, but there are enough people with that passion, I would think.

The modern concert/sabha/recording-industry type music is quite competitive and almost by its nature, very few can hope to make it big, so to speak. It is not just a sour-grapes statement to say that all a musician really needs is ONE good listener. That one listener is enough to change an activity from totally reflective to a communicative art and that is often all that is needed. Therefore, I would still try to see how to foster the small concert, the chamber recital in an informal forum, the closeness of hearing a natural voice or instrument and being involved in the actual thought and delivery of music as a low input, low stake, but very satisfying and sustainable activity. Going by the exact wording of this thread, I doubt if any "brilliant" artiste can sustain brilliance for too long in the public glare. A public success has to cater to so many tastes, that it is very difficult to take risks and stretch oneself. That some of the top performers of today actually do so sometimes is a great credit to them.

By the way, I did see the video clip of the ghatam/grinder business, and I was mildly tickled by it, that was about it. My definition of classical art is something that can be formalized and taught over a long period of time, with slowly changing values, and this will have its place for sometime to come. Let everyone else have their say, we don't own the stage!

I would like to reiterate my support for your continued passion to support the art in so many ways. The most important one is your giving your time to listen to so many people over so many years.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Sep 2010, 07:39

Narayan
Thanks. You are probably taking off from the title of this thread . Yes we had a dilemma , how to title it - the earlier one said something about artists who could / did not climb up the ladder . I now recognise that this one is more confusing.

Be that as it may , my personal interest here , is to have an internet hall of fame , where atleast the worthy singers are heard at least for a fraction of an hour , If not more . In the hope that they will not sell their grandparents tapes to the raddiwallahs for 5 Bucks a piece .
My own journey changed course after I saw a 50 year old housewife , belonging to a family which had featured SSI's concerts for all the marriages , spanning across three generations - explain to me how , for one of those marriages , she heated and re-formed old useless Lps into exotic shapes. And gave them as gifts. And that act was a rare hit in their family circles.
We spent , sometime later , figures like Rs 1500 for one tape of 60 minutes having 20tracks of 78 RPM recordings of 3 mts each . For about 40 such tapes . I am happy we did before that greedy seller's childtren recycled them for roadlaying.

This problem has little to do with issues of obscurity and more with a question of timing of technology .
Classical Music will survive . And will always cater to a small segment .
A good Yachtsman knows that his chances of his going off-course is more likely when he has a favourable wind behind him.

These artists did not have that advantage . The least , I thought I could do , was to set the clock back .Just a bit.

I have got a bit virulent these last couple of days because people who have seen better days tend to push many of the ills plaguing today , under the carpet.
The fact that only one artist could be indentified by a set of 36 downloaders , tells me that I can go up to the Hundred I promised /
And You ain't heard nothin yet . Watch out .

Thanks for posting your views.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Sep 2010, 07:42

And talking of chamber Music settings , I will be once again tracing the series of 25 concerts we have hosted . In a series of clips .

And most of these concerts - of the audio clips - were held far far away from metros . In obscure countryside.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Sep 2010, 08:51

But fame and fortune and public approval of thousands or hundreds or whatever the right number is for CM, anyway comes to very few, and that is probably how it will always be?

You are right . There was a time I would listen to only the stars of the day . And My Dad would prod me with the words :

The woods would be silent , if only those birds sang . The ones that sang best .

And put me on a journey of a lifetime .

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 13 Sep 2010, 08:51

mankuthimma wrote:I thought One was obvious to you . Where Rathipathipriya is touted as sharadapriya ( veena Venkatagiryappa's composition )
The case where someone gave up a career in science , for one in art :tmi:

Vachaspathi was by Uppalpatti Ankiah . Our Guruji Akella Sarma is on the violin here. MSG's Ekalavya

Sharadapriya by Dr K Vageesh...Nice mokshamu galada too, rendered in chowka kalam...

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Sep 2010, 09:03

On the spot .Pattamma.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Sep 2010, 09:34

http://www.mediafire.com/?hmashqsen8m9s05

ML Narasimham

gmohan · Post by **gmohan** » 13 Sep 2010, 10:42

mankuthimma wrote:http://www.mediafire.com/?hmashqsen8m9s05

Artist - 8
Shares the first two initials of his name with a flamboyant allrounder of yesteryears. Who flew in as a replacement , in Australia , drove to the ground , and hit a century.
The track is a bit long for this purpose . But please persist with your downloads.You will ask me for the full concert.

I know the cricketer

, Brisbane 1968, but not the musician

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Sep 2010, 10:57

ok . first half is ML
second half ...well ... death at his hands ....neither inside nor outside ... death not by a man . nor an animal

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 13 Sep 2010, 11:06

M.L. Narasimhan ( just guessing based on the clue, also Narasimhan is mentioned in the beginning of the audio clip ).

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Sep 2010, 11:29

thanks vk.you are correct.
hope that induces a thorough listening of the tracks . my trick of leaving more footprints.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Sep 2010, 13:55

http://www.mediafire.com/?bxpbns3vo5x5c4h

Track 9 - A lovely track - Moves as a cool breeze from a rarely heard Diskhitar composition , through that favourite of mine -sangeetha samrajya sancharini , a sombre E Ramuni made poular by Somu and his Guru and setttling down to .....

Shares one half of his name with a Cricketeer who looked and played very much likr GR Viswanath He played a few tests for India too.

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 14 Sep 2010, 03:42

mankuthimma wrote:http://www.mediafire.com/?bxpbns3vo5x5c4h

Track 9 - A lovely track - Moves as a cool breeze from a rarely heard Diskhitar composition , through that favourite of mine -sangeetha samrajya sancharini , a sombre E Ramuni made poular by Somu and his Guru and setttling down to .....

Shares one half of his name with a Cricketeer who looked and played very much likr GR Viswanath He played a few tests for India too.

Ashok Malhotra is the only cricketer name that comes to my mind but I am not familiar with any Artist with that name.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 14 Sep 2010, 07:45

Modumodi Sudhakar

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 14 Sep 2010, 08:48

mankuthimma wrote: Track 9 - A lovely track - Moves as a cool breeze from a rarely heard Diskhitar composition , through that favourite of mine -sangeetha samrajya sancharini , a sombre E Ramuni made poular by Somu and his Guru and setttling down to ...

Lovely, lovely indeed! More details about this artist please.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 14 Sep 2010, 08:55

http://www.mediafire.com/?tm6w46l7l0e14rw

Track 10

My question in this thread is "what exactly is the problem with obscurity"?

Narayan
I wrote about this problem with obscurity here , sometime ago.
http://chennairasika.wordpress.com/?s=tadepalli

A big track . But worth labouring through the download. After a hesitant start , it starts getting brilliant at the Panthuvarali..
my my !!!! what a neraval !!! )
So many wonderful nooks and corners there.
And by the time Kharaharapriya is introduced as RTP - it gets sublime .
I take a break here and move a bit towards my Kannada Land for such artists

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 14 Sep 2010, 16:01

Regarding post # 113, I thought about Sudhakara Rao (Karnataka cricketer from 70s and 80s) but opted for Ashok Malhotra because Sudhakar Rao played in only one test (if I am right).
Anyway, thanks for this very interesting thread and for sharing your bounty with us!

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 14 Sep 2010, 19:08

http://www.mediafire.com/?c4jzt41ldjjb8h7
Track 11
Sukanya Prabhakar,
An alapana fit for the Gods !!!
Such a lovely raga ,this. Lathangi.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 15 Sep 2010, 03:13

mankuthimma wrote:http://www.mediafire.com/?c4jzt41ldjjb8h7
Track 11
An alapana fit for the Gods !!!
Such a lovely raga ,this. Lathangi.

this is top class. And the neraval too.
who is the artist?

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 15 Sep 2010, 04:03

My guess - Sukanya Prabhakar, recording from a few years back?

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 15 Sep 2010, 08:05

Yes Sreeni . I have updated the original post .

Quite a vintage concert from Vijayawada Kannada Sangha.
Suji . I agree . It is simply brilliant .

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 15 Sep 2010, 18:58

While on the subject, what strikes me most is the time we spent in locating the songs of the greats of yesteryears from whatever source they are available-the discarded tapes and the Lps
when so many songs of them are already available-most of the songs are only repetition with only the venue and the time being different. And, in the process, I tend to feel, that we fail to encourage the not so popular artists of the present day as well as the young talents who are trying to establish themselves by engaging ourselves in the process mentioned above.
Legends sing in the same way they sing earlier in their career - perhaps with some variation in more elaborate raga alapana or in the swara sanjaras in some cases.
I have also made a few comparisons in this regard.

I am reminded of the following:
After a wedding reception performance by the late Shri. Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar, the groom's father told the music legend:

'Your recital now is much superior to what you sang last year. '
Ariyakudi replied " Ivvidam pattu appidiye thhaan irukku.

Avvidam dhaan gnaanam konjam vandhirukku. Adhanal dhaan appidi theriyaradhu

In this context I wish to submit that some time back I was in search of a Varnam in the Raga narayani composed by Shri Poochi Iyengar.
I have searched hundreds of varnam in all popular sites , but, I could not come across the one which I sought. Evidently, this was not a popular one-or put it differently , this was not considered by the stalwarts for being rendered in their concerts while certain other Varnams were being sung time and again by them

Can we not make it a point to make available more and more the concerts of these young talents and make positive criticism instead of showing apathy so as to make them more popular instead of going in for a repetition of songs already available.

If I am wrong in my views I seek to be excused.

venkatakailasam

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 15 Sep 2010, 21:57

Whenever permitted, recordings have been made by mankuthimma of the concerts organised by himself and friends. The age range of artists presented covers something like seventy years, from teens to eighties. Both encouragement and archiving have been done!

I think, too, that many good young artists do get good audiences, and are encouraged. I hope they are!

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 16 Sep 2010, 07:24

http://www.mediafire.com/?fu6ph6v7ze3y26w
BELLARY BROTHERS
Nick. You are right.
Are there any takers for a second tour of our 25 concerts ? Purplestream interested ?