M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

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pattamaa
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#526 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by pattamaa » 24 Jan 2016, 07:40

thank you so much, i might have lecture with me, what does he talk about ?

please do keep posting !!! we can't be silent as silence is essentially his music ! meaningful pauses !! ahaa... besh besh...
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#527 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by varsha » 24 Jan 2016, 09:46

PART OF one of his few lectures on Tigers Music at Vani Mahal
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#528 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by Ramasubramanian M.K » 25 Jan 2016, 08:42

Varsha: Thanks for the MDR speech clip. Forumites who are vidyarthis need to follow MDR's observations. Labored and leisurely the pace might be there is perfect sruthi alignment.Shows great respect and reverence for his Guru Tiger Varadachariar. That Tiger was very sparse and miserly in commenting/applauding performers till he is satisfied that it is no mere flash in the pan has been corroborated by no less eminent a person than Lalgudi Gopala Iyer(LGG-Father of Lalgudi Jayaraman). An anecdote which my late Father told me about an interaction between LGG and TIGER(having heard it from Gopala Iyer himself:

It seems when LGJ was about about 13 or 14 and got one of his early chances to play in Thiruvaiyaru festival,LGG was eager that Tiger(who had not heard lGJ play before) should listen and offer comments. Tiger initially demurred and tried to downplay LG's request using some excuse or other. Finally due to LGG's persistence,he agreed to listen to LGJ's playing. LGG was expecting after the performance that Tiger would volunteer his opinion. Tiger was mum and despite repeated prodding's from LGG would not say one way or other. Finally when Tiger was about to leave Thiruvaiyaru,LGG accosted him again and asked what he thought of the performance of LGJ. Tiger after a brief pause commented in Tamil ;IPPO ENNA AVASARAM"--(Where is the hurry meaning LGJ has to "marinate" before expecting plaudits).
LGG I believe told my father how right Tiger was in his assessment and that's why he (LGG) was so particular that any showers of praise on LGJ by admirers be completely preempted. It seems after a performance by LGJ the next day LGG would wait at his house entrance and if he sees any of his acquaintances at the end of the street walking towards his house -- presumably to inform how LGJ had played the night before-- would preempt the visitor from complimenting LGJ profusely saying it should not go to the young man's head!!!

Likewise LGJ was also sparse in his praise of "prodigies" brought before him till such time he was convinced it was genuine.

There is something to be learned from these anecdotes that false ill-informed and premature praise can be more detrimental to a musician's progress than harsh but true criticism without bias or prejudice.

Unfortunately MDR like his contemporaries--KVN,Ramnad Krishnan,TMT--happen to form the next generation following the ARI-CHEMBAI)MUSIRI_SSI_GNB_MM ALATHUR GENERATION who dominated the music scene till the early sixties(by that time MDR et al had been in their forties--so that in their formative years their chances were scarce. Unfortunately MDR died young--so did Ramnad Krishnan.

There is so much one can learn from MDR--be it tradition or sincerity or Guru Bhakthi.

VARSHA thanks again for the clips.
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#529 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by varsha » 25 Jan 2016, 08:53

It was my pleasure , Sir .
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#530 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by kvchellappa » 25 Jan 2016, 09:36

MDR is specific that raga and sahitya meaning must mesh together in singing; the current 'greats' differ!
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#531 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by MaheshS » 25 Jan 2016, 19:14

Ramasubramanian M.K wrote: the visitor from complimenting LGJ profusely saying it should not go to the young man's head!!!

Likewise LGJ was also sparse in his praise of "prodigies" brought before him till such time he was convinced it was genuine.

There is something to be learned from these anecdotes that false ill-informed and premature praise can be more detrimental to a musician's progress than harsh but true criticism without bias or prejudice.

Unfortunately MDR like his contemporaries--KVN,Ramnad Krishnan,TMT--happen to form the next generation following the ARI-CHEMBAI)MUSIRI_SSI_GNB_MM ALATHUR GENERATION who dominated the music scene till the early sixties(by that time MDR et al had been in their forties--so that in their formative years their chances were scarce.
Off topic, mods, feel free to move this,

So where is the line between encouraging / appreciating and premature praise? For example, your own comments from Aiswarya's concert goes against everything you say above.
It was an excellent concert --both myself and Nirmala were amazed at how fast she has improved. The repertoire of songs--vintage MS Amma's--the lalitha alapana, the Annamacharya pieces--Kamas,shanmughapriya--were all rendered with sensitivity(it is amazing how from hearsay she has imbibed the best of her Great Grandmother--Radha has done an awesome job to train her in the true spirit of the MS Amma Bani--the voice was pleasing and the sruthi suddham was perfect. As Nirmala put it, to mount the stage as MS Amma's Great Granddaughter(with all the expectations associated with it) itself is a herculean task, Even the pleasing appreciative nods at Narmada for her execution-- were reminiscent of MS Amma. Aishwarya's stage persona matched Radha 's and MS Amma's--no fuss. At every step it was evident Aishwarya was coached superbly by Radha.( Cienu, I was eagerly awaiting the meteoric flash sangathis in the Kamas and Shanmughapriya pieces that Radha used to launch,but Aishwarya downplayed it in deference to her mother-in-law!!!! ). Aishwarya will go places with her passion,sincerity and wariness of being the torch-bearer of the MSS tradition--not an easy legacy to inherit and transmit.
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#532 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by hnbhagavan » 25 Jan 2016, 21:35

It is my experience that those who are in great lineage and especially in the case of Aiswarya,praise and encouragement is plenty.Some times due to intimacy with the parents of such children,people give more credit than due.The same thing will not be the case to another equivalent artist with no lineage.
Perhaps in older days this was not so mainly because the publicity was difficult and also due to very strict evaluation.
I request you to excuse as this thread is not related Sri M D Ramanathan-the topic.
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#533 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by CRama » 10 Feb 2016, 21:16

pattamaa wrote: please do keep posting !!! we can't be silent as silence is essentially his music ! meaningful pauses !! ahaa... besh besh...
Meaningful pauses- There is a very good book titled Meaningful pauses on MDR compiled and edited by Madhu Vasudevan. It has got articles on MDR by UKS. T.N.Krishnan, Mrs. MDR, Vellore Ramabhadran, B.V.Raman and Lakshmanan, T.R.Rajamani, Prine Rama Varma, Krishnamurthy (ardent bhaktha of MDR who conducts MDR Remembrance day every year in Tripunithura) 232 pages in good lay out, paper and print, costing Rs.550/- Published by DCBooks, Kottayam.
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#534 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by Sivaramakrishnan » 11 Feb 2016, 07:43

Though I have not come across the book, I understand from CRama that it was published some 6 years ago. All articles are in English (many of them translations).

I wonder why it has not received wide attention.
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#535 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by pattamaa » 14 Feb 2016, 21:40

i do have the book, i used the title of the book deliberately !! i need to hunt for the book, may be someone took it from me :(
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#536 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by rajeshnat » 08 Mar 2016, 12:04

Can some one share MDR singing Deva deva kalayamithe - I have heard other mmg numbers of MDR like meru samana but not this. ??
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#537 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by advaitin » 13 Mar 2016, 08:43

https://www.mediafire.com/?6rcq6f8ac8wczw6

lovely music, with some humor in between
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#538 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by Sivaramakrishnan » 20 Mar 2016, 06:04

varsha wrote:PART OF one of his few lectures on Tigers Music at Vani Mahal
What about the remaining parts?
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varsha
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#539 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by varsha » 20 Mar 2016, 09:12

PART OF one of his few lectures on Tigers Music at Vani Mahal
corrected to
PART OF one of his few lectures on Tigers Music at Vani Mahal that has survived
Remaining parts not available with me, :evil:

I can compensate with a lecture at IFAS though ;)
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#540 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by sweetsong » 06 May 2016, 22:39

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#541 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by SrinathK » 07 May 2016, 08:33

M.D. Ramanathan's style is like that of a meandering river, a free spirit going right where the inspiration took him. From a rasika's point of view, MDR is a musician's musician and it is not so easy for even habitual listeners of CM to warm up to his style. It was my teacher who gave me a big set of MDR and told me that I must be able to listen to his music. It was unlike anything else at first, it was a test match to listen to him. I mean just listen to this 1 hour long recording of Begada : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVW2KwLk42U

Eventually I realized that beyond those meanders, those eccentric groans, sometimes wandering off to break the fourth wall and explaining stuff to the audience and sometimes extreme tempos (sometimes MDR despite being known for his slow tempos would go blitzkrieg on a krithi that could be sung more leisurely), MDR was a truly extraordinary musician who basically floated in a world where only music seemed to exist and the experience of "nadam" was above everything else -- his music was otherworldly and the usual rules and expectations wouldn't work with him.

My grandfather would also comment on the greatness of MDR's music and tell me how he had seen the respect with which accompanists would follow him. The wealth of what you could get from listening to him is invaluable to a music student, but it is not for the impatient rasika whose attention span is only a few minutes.

MDR was one musician whose level of "rakti" in his raga singing was in a class of it's own. The raga literally felt like it came alive. His unique bass voice with great power and range is a one of a kind thing, I don't think we're ever going to get that again in CM. But again, the raga bhava and colours of gamaka that he brought in his singing is incredible.

He is also a prolific composer. I also began to appreciate his creativity as a composer after I heard his own chittaswaram in kEdAram for Thyagaraja gurum AshrayE -- never heard anything at that level except the Pancharatnams. I could go on and on the more I keep listening to him....which I should be getting back to without further delay. :ugeek:
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#542 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by dipukaruthedam » 22 Apr 2017, 14:09

Not sure if the below links is already shared here. Anyway, sharing it

https://shankarkrish.wordpress.com/musi ... amanathan/

Quite a large collection of concerts.

Just listened to the one titled "With Chalakudy Narayanaswamy & Umayalpuram Sivaraman - Listening to his bhairavi swarajati in this specific concert today is as enthralling it was almost 30 years ago". As commented already in that page, the Bhairavi alapana is something out of the world! Can't get over it at all! Try for yourself :-)
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#543 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by varsha » 27 Apr 2017, 10:28

indeed !!!
mdr .. a thousand years from now , any mdr recording will unfurl as though it is about to happen.
such a nascent quality to him.
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#544 Re: M.D. Ramanathan (MDR)

Post by K Nagarajan » 19 Sep 2017, 10:02

I saw a reference to a 1955 concert of MDR in the comments by rasikas in the website given below.

Is this concert available in the public domain?

https://shankarkrish.wordpress.com/musi ... amanathan/

CONCERT: MD025 M.D.RAMANATHAN
Violin LALGUDI G.JAYARAMAN
Mrudangam PALGHAT MANI IYER
Ghatam T.H.VINAYAKRAM
Date 01-01-1955

Krithi Ragam Thalam Composer Remarks
1 VIRIBONI – (V) BHAIRAVI (20-J) ATA PACHIMIRIYAM ADIAPPIAH
2 VATHAPI GANAPATHIM HAMSADWANI (29-J) ADI DIKSHITAR
3 NINNU VINAGA MARI POORVIKALYANI (53-J) CHAPU SHYAMA SASTRY
4 BHAJANA SEYAVE O MANASA KEDARAM (29-J) RUPAKAM AANAI AYYA
5 ENDARO SREE (22-J) ADI THYAGARAJAR
6 MOKSHAMU GALADA SARAMATI (20-J) ADI – 2 KALAI THYAGARAJAR
7 R.T.P. SANKARABARANAM (29) TISRA TRIPUTA
8 T H A N I AVARTHANAM
9 SLOKAM RAGAMALIKA
10 KANAKA SABHAI SURATI (28-J) JAMPA GOPALAKRISHNA BHARATHI
11 THILLANA KAANADA (22-J) ADI
12 M A N G A L A M
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