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#76

Post by prashant » 07 Dec 2008, 09:42

http://sangeethamshare.org/hariharan/Ne ... andari.mp3

Raghu Sir's accompaniment for the swarams is just awesome... Kulkarni has posted aparAdhamulanniyu from the same concert on another thread...
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Nick H
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#77

Post by Nick H » 07 Dec 2008, 09:57

Kuchi and kappi are varieties of mridangam, involving a slight change in right-hand head. You would have to look very closely to see any difference, but there is a noticeable difference in sound, the kutchi mridangam having more vibration, and the kappi being closer to the sound of tabla.

Kutchi mridangam has small slivers of reed inserted radially under the top-most layer of skin. These give a slight snare effect, hence the vibration. Kappi has the two layers held slightly apart by tiny particles of grit.
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bilahari
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#78

Post by bilahari » 07 Dec 2008, 11:41

Thanks nick. Do the majority of mrudangam artistes lean towards one or the other?
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sankirnam
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#79

Post by sankirnam » 07 Dec 2008, 12:10

There is no majority, but each mrudangist will have their own individual preference. Raghu sir used to use kucchi in the 60's and 70's and switched to kappi sometime in the 80's. Palghat Mani Iyer only ever used kappi, as did Thanjavur Upendran sir. Karaikudi Mani also only uses kappi.
UKS sir used to use kappi, but now only uses kucchi. Sankaran has only used kucchi, as far as i know.

This should help get some orientation as to what kappi and kuchi mrudangams sound like.
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vijay
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#80

Post by vijay » 07 Dec 2008, 16:10

I thought most mrudangists preferred Kuchi. Isn't that supposed to be easier to play? (not sure where I got that fomr though - probably some previous discussion)
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#81

Post by cienu » 07 Dec 2008, 21:28

sankirnam wrote:There is no majority, but each mrudangist will have their own individual preference. Raghu sir used to use kucchi in the 60's and 70's and switched to kappi sometime in the 80's. Palghat Mani Iyer only ever used kappi, as did Thanjavur Upendran sir. Karaikudi Mani also only uses kappi.
UKS sir used to use kappi, but now only uses kucchi. Sankaran has only used kucchi, as far as i know.

This should help get some orientation as to what kappi and kuchi mrudangams sound like.
Dr T K Murthy too uses Kappi only if I am not mistaken.
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sankirnam
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#82

Post by sankirnam » 07 Dec 2008, 21:40

Yes, cienu you are right.

Vijay, most artists will take kuchi mrudangams with them when they come on foreign tours, since kuchi mrudangams are more forgiving to wear and tear on the valanthalai. If one or two pieces of the black "saadam" fall out, the overall nadam is not disturbed much. But in kappi, if one piece even starts vibrating a little bit, the nadam will be disturbed and extraneous noises will come (like a faint rattling or "ssssh" sound).
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#83

Post by pgaiyar » 08 Dec 2008, 06:17

8-Dec-8

Dear Mr. Coolkarni:

I listened to the RTP Thillai of SSI uploaded by you. In my view as someone who has followed Raghu for many years it is close to Raghu, but not him it seems. Sollus are sounding close, the nadham(Kattai) is also close but the fingering differs. The Korvai ignoramus talks about is played by many leave alone Raghu. By the way he is a genius and not an ignoramus. I request ignoramus to upload the SSI-TNK-Raghu-92-Navarathiri-AIR Excerpts if he has or anyone has. In my view SSI would not have relished Raghu as Raghu's talam keeping is deadly and the main artist has to sweat it out making it not comfortable. That is/was Raghu. Only musicians like KVN/DKJ/MDR/Ramnad Krishnan/S.Balachandar can gel with Raghu. Raghu's famed thani in 1967(KVN-MSG-Raghu-Bangalore Manjunath-MA) is Kuchi and only he can do such thrikalams. Any mridangam player is capable of thrikalams, but in the third speed/kalam it is Raghu who will show the way. God bless Raghu sir and all the members of this forum.

Regards

Guru
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ignoramus
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#84

Post by ignoramus » 08 Dec 2008, 07:02

dear pgaiyer

can you elaborate on the fingering which makes you doubt it is not PR? it sounded pretty close to me. dont want to argue , but i have not heard too many people play the korvai which i mentioned. not sure whether it was the 2nd round, the final korvai too is almost closely his, especially the improvisations in the 2nd and 3rd repeats - just asking. by no means argumentative.
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#85

Post by bilahari » 08 Dec 2008, 08:30

Yes, pgaiyer, KVN-PR and MDR-PR are both combinations to cherish!
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sankirnam
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#86

Post by sankirnam » 08 Dec 2008, 10:40

115 and 117 are tough to identify because it is just playing for songs... but since 116 is a thani, it is very easy to tell... cleanly you can identify Raghu sir's playing at his peak. Kanjira is V. Nagarajan.
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ignoramus
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#87

Post by ignoramus » 08 Dec 2008, 11:24

Sankeernam

Agree with you on the song support. But again, 117 seems PR from his way of playing to the song - maybe i am dead wrong. What is your call on 116? looked PR to me, pgaiyer says quite close - but no.
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#88

Post by coolkarni » 08 Dec 2008, 13:56

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ignoramus
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#89

Post by ignoramus » 08 Dec 2008, 19:48

Coolji

we do have !!
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sankirnam
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#90

Post by sankirnam » 08 Dec 2008, 19:48

Ignoramus, as far as I can tell, 116 is Raghu sir only, with V. Nagarajan playing kanjira. The mohara korvai is the giveaway.

And yes, Coolkarni, please keep them coming! :)
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#91

Post by pgaiyar » 09 Dec 2008, 06:27

Dear All Laya aficionados:

I listened to 116 and the Kanjira player could be the late V.Nagarajan sir. Again the treble/cut i.e., salangai nadham which was/is unique to VN is not there. VN's muthaipu/theermanam is legendary and it is also not there. I still am not sure whether the player is Raghu sir. Raghu's fingering is something different from the whole lot and the akshara suddham is also different. In mridangam parlance it is called adaichu vasikkaradhu, something Pazani Anna is/was famous for. Raghu's kalam is also legendary. If you listen to his playing for the Pallavis the way he play Tisram. The Thom of Raghu is also cast in the Pudukkottai school. In sum it could be Raghu sir but it may not be also. I have checked many times with PSN and he always opined Raghu sir's accompaniment to SSI????, well I don't recollect any of them. Only Raghu can identify. God bless you all.

Regards

Guru
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#92

Post by coolkarni » 09 Dec 2008, 08:16

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ram
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#93

Post by ram » 09 Dec 2008, 08:29

:)

Coolji,

With your permission, I will come to your place when you are free and listen to it at leisure. I was just able to listen to it intermittently with you the other day and do not have access to rapidshare to download the clips you uploaded. Though it is difficult to sometimes distinguish the Tanjavur school maestros, especially during the early years of their playing, there are (almost always) places that reveal the identity of the player.

Thanks once again for sharing these gems with us. May your tribe grow by leaps and bounds.

Ram
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ignoramus
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#94

Post by ignoramus » 09 Dec 2008, 09:18

Coolji

Anything for you, i will ask Rahu sir next week when i am on vacation, maybe we will go together
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sankirnam
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#95

Post by sankirnam » 09 Dec 2008, 11:29

Like Ram says, it is usually the mohara korvai (the final korvai) of the thani that usually gives away the identity of the mrudangam artiste. Once you listen to enough thanis of the past masters you get familiar with the famous korvais and the ones that each artiste was comfortable playing.
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#96

Post by mahesh_narayan » 27 Dec 2008, 12:13

ignoramus, any inputs from Raghu Sir yet?

Any more SSI-Raghu tracks, please share (tani would be awesome !!!).
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ignoramus
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#97

Post by ignoramus » 27 Dec 2008, 14:33

not yet, i shall try for the next weekend. on vacation as of now.
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#98

Post by ksrimech » 19 Jan 2009, 00:47

May be this is question late by a year or so? I didn't know if you have seen it.
Did anyone see the Palghat Raghu Documentary released after the music season of 2007-08? It has videos (yes videos) of chembai vaidyanAta bhagavathar with MTC and MMI (video from the 40s, I guess), KVN with MC and PR (video from the 80s) and g nA bAlasubrahmaniam with LGJ and PR (video from the 60s). Amazing stuff. LGJ looks very handsome .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ4NiMWAWzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mm6dHgY ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsDD_I8g ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzZorUCb ... re=related
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bilahari
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#99

Post by bilahari » 19 Jan 2009, 02:35

Thanks for the link, ksrimech. Very good, interesting documentary about PRR. Didn't know about his association with Alla Rakha till now, nor his accompaniment to Ravi Shankar. And those vintage video clips were really nice as well. Particularly enjoyed Chembai. Do his grandsons perform regularly?
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#100

Post by ksrimech » 19 Jan 2009, 04:37

bilahari wrote:Particularly enjoyed Chembai. Do his grandsons perform regularly?
Chembai: Along with ARI (still haven't seen a video of him) were the two artistes, whom I wanted to see (& listen) him sing. :). I love the kuDumi of chembai mAmA.

abhIshEk raghurAman performs often! I don't know about the mridangist grandson, ananta R. kRSNan.
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