SriramParthasarathy Madhuradwani
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SriramParthasarathy Madhuradwani
An excellent scholarly concert on April 25,2018:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMYx6vQ_O1M&t=4050s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMYx6vQ_O1M&t=4050s
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Listening to this concert now - I am still incredulous about the rendition of santAnamanjari in rAga nAsikAbhUSaNi with an elaborate AlApana and neraval
Another instance along the lines of singing nagumOmu in karnATaka dEvagAndhAri instead of AbhEri. In that case, only the daivata was different; here, it's both the daivata and the niSAda Additionally, there are numerous extant recordings unlike back in those days, so this is such a glaring example of tinkering!
The composition by Muthuswami Dikshitar starts with the rAga mudrA and Sri T.N.Seshagopalan has sung it in santAnamanjari https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NstCKXqbi1g which is the 67th rAgAnga mELA paddhati while nAsikAbhUSaNi is the 70th mELA
Another instance along the lines of singing nagumOmu in karnATaka dEvagAndhAri instead of AbhEri. In that case, only the daivata was different; here, it's both the daivata and the niSAda Additionally, there are numerous extant recordings unlike back in those days, so this is such a glaring example of tinkering!
The composition by Muthuswami Dikshitar starts with the rAga mudrA and Sri T.N.Seshagopalan has sung it in santAnamanjari https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NstCKXqbi1g which is the 67th rAgAnga mELA paddhati while nAsikAbhUSaNi is the 70th mELA
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Madhuradhwani - Sriram Parthasarathy Vocal - 25th Apr 2018
Sriram Parthasarathy - Vocal
L Ramakrishnan - Violin
N C Bharadwaj - Mridangam
Chandrasekara Sharma - Ghatam
Gajananayutham - Chakravaham - MD
Budham Asrayami - Nata Kurunji - MD
Anandha Natamaduvar - Purvi Kalyani [S] - Nilakanta Sivan
Padavini - Salaga Bhairavi [A] - T
Santana Manjari Shankari - Santana Manjari Nasikabhushani [A,N@cintAmaNi sadanA SaSi vadanA] - MD
Kelathi Mamahrudaye - Atana [S] - SB
Saroja Dhalanetri - Shankarabaranam [A,NS@Shyamagana ...] - SS
Thani
Sarvam Bhramamayam
Virutham - Surutti - Kandar Anubhuthi
Madhiyal - Surutti - Thirupugazh
Sabash, bale bale bale.
Sriram Parthasarathy - Vocal
L Ramakrishnan - Violin
N C Bharadwaj - Mridangam
Chandrasekara Sharma - Ghatam
Gajananayutham - Chakravaham - MD
Budham Asrayami - Nata Kurunji - MD
Anandha Natamaduvar - Purvi Kalyani [S] - Nilakanta Sivan
Padavini - Salaga Bhairavi [A] - T
Santana Manjari Shankari - Santana Manjari Nasikabhushani [A,N@cintAmaNi sadanA SaSi vadanA] - MD
Kelathi Mamahrudaye - Atana [S] - SB
Saroja Dhalanetri - Shankarabaranam [A,NS@Shyamagana ...] - SS
Thani
Sarvam Bhramamayam
Virutham - Surutti - Kandar Anubhuthi
Madhiyal - Surutti - Thirupugazh
Sabash, bale bale bale.
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Yes, the kriti was rendered in Nasikabhushani with raga aalaapana (we have the link luckily).
I noted some 'hush-hush' discussion happening among a few rasikas. I couldn't stay back till the end of the concert to seek a clarification from the singer.
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This is a deliberate mistake. Why should we hear his explanations?
As I have mentioned in my earlier, we are going to hear Shankarabharana krithis in Kalyani.
Ideally he should be punished. He cannot take composers and rasikas for a ride.
This shows his incompetency in delivering the ragam Santanamanjari.
As I have mentioned in my earlier, we are going to hear Shankarabharana krithis in Kalyani.
Ideally he should be punished. He cannot take composers and rasikas for a ride.
This shows his incompetency in delivering the ragam Santanamanjari.
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"This is a deliberate mistake. Why should we hear his explanations?
As I have mentioned in my earlier, we are going to hear Shankarabharana krithis in Kalyani.
Ideally he should be punished. He cannot take composers and rasikas for a ride.
This shows his incompetency in delivering the ragam Santanamanjari.""
Very unfair comment and drastic remarks judging his competence.The less you talk about competency it is better.
However you can express your views in a better way.
As I have mentioned in my earlier, we are going to hear Shankarabharana krithis in Kalyani.
Ideally he should be punished. He cannot take composers and rasikas for a ride.
This shows his incompetency in delivering the ragam Santanamanjari.""
Very unfair comment and drastic remarks judging his competence.The less you talk about competency it is better.
However you can express your views in a better way.
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Padhavini in Salagabhairavi has been rendered very well in vilamba kalam . Very appropriate to its context and meaning.
Excepting MDR, this is sung in madhyamam or dhurita kalam by others. SP has done a good job with clear enunciation.
Excepting MDR, this is sung in madhyamam or dhurita kalam by others. SP has done a good job with clear enunciation.
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For me, Muthuswamy Deekshithar and his compositions are of much importance than any musician.
This is the rule with any composer who tunes his compositions. We are singing THEIR compositions. It is to be always remembered.
You should read my statement properly.
"He is not competent in rendering Santanamanjari". It was a specific statement.
If he is competent, he would have not changed the ragam.
This is the rule with any composer who tunes his compositions. We are singing THEIR compositions. It is to be always remembered.
You should read my statement properly.
"He is not competent in rendering Santanamanjari". It was a specific statement.
If he is competent, he would have not changed the ragam.
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Isn't he a student of Neyveli Santhagopalan? I've not heard NSG sing this, but TNS his guru has. Don't understand why he changed the raga? If he like Nasikabhushani that much, let him compose and sing his own. Why tamper with Dikshitar's krithi?
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Well said Mahesh S.
Instead of advising rasikas like us who strongly advocate chaste music, rasikas must direct questions to musicians like SP who mutilate these compositions.
Atleast let them be aware that they will be questioned by rasikas.
Instead of advising rasikas like us who strongly advocate chaste music, rasikas must direct questions to musicians like SP who mutilate these compositions.
Atleast let them be aware that they will be questioned by rasikas.
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The highly talented SP - who has a deep insight into music - could have easily sung either 'Maaravairi Ramani Manjubhashini' of Tyagaraja OR 'Sriramaa Saraswati sevitaam' of Dikshitar for Naasikaabhushani.
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That may be the most charitable excuse for this mishap.hnbhagavan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 11:56 Very unfair comment and drastic remarks judging his competence.
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I wish Sriram Parthasarathy conveys his response.
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What nonsense. Santana Manjari or Sucharitra or whatever you may call it is nothing for a singer of the caliber and brilliance of Sriram Parthasarathy, or even for someone of far less caliber. Music is a living, breathing, dynamic thing, not some dead printed text... and SP is serving music well.bhakthim dehi wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 11:34This shows his incompetency in delivering the ragam Santanamanjari.
Maybe he has an explanation... or maybe not.. live with it.
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Let us abolish raga system.
Let us not fix a krithi to a particular ragam.
Why should we follow the music composed some 250 years ago? Music is after all dynamic.
Let us not fix a krithi to a particular ragam.
Why should we follow the music composed some 250 years ago? Music is after all dynamic.
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Santanamanjari differs from Sucaritra. They are not to be used interchangeably.
I am not talking about his Music. My discussions pertain only to the kalpitha sangeetham.
I am not talking about his Music. My discussions pertain only to the kalpitha sangeetham.
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bhakthim dehi wrote: ↑28 Apr 2018, 06:38 Let us abolish raga system.
Let us not fix a krithi to a particular ragam.
Why should we follow the music composed some 250 years ago? Music is after all dynamic.
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Think he must have been trying to avoid the vivadhi dosham in the uttarangam
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ஒரு ஸ்வரம் தள்ளியதால் ஒரே கொந்தளிப்பு! ஒரு மாத்திரை தள்ளினால் ஊசி விழுந்தால் கேட்கும் அமைதி!
He shifts one svaram and there is commotion. Pin drop silence when things shift one mAtra, here and elsewhere!
I liked his singing of sarOja dala nEtri in the line: "purANi Suka pANI madhukara vE| NI" deviating from TNS version
However I think he owes an answer on why the rAga was changed on santAna manjari. He should believe that all music, even from dIkshitar kritis exist in syllablic intervals. Then he would conclude no need to seek any new dimension melodically. This (d)vivAdhi could have been handled as plainly and liltingly - as d1 can always be handled as n1-p-d1 in downward approach. Seek music elsewhere, true to your school
He shifts one svaram and there is commotion. Pin drop silence when things shift one mAtra, here and elsewhere!
I liked his singing of sarOja dala nEtri in the line: "purANi Suka pANI madhukara vE| NI" deviating from TNS version
However I think he owes an answer on why the rAga was changed on santAna manjari. He should believe that all music, even from dIkshitar kritis exist in syllablic intervals. Then he would conclude no need to seek any new dimension melodically. This (d)vivAdhi could have been handled as plainly and liltingly - as d1 can always be handled as n1-p-d1 in downward approach. Seek music elsewhere, true to your school
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2.19
kandar anubhUti
ADum pari, vEl, aNishEval enap
pADum paNiyE paNiyA aruLvAi
tEDum kayamAmukanai sheruvil
shADum tani yAnai sagOdaranE
2.22
tirupugazh – karuvUr perumAL
madiyAl vittakanAgi manadAl uttamanAgi
padivAki shiva jnAna para yOgattu aruLvAyE
nidhiyE nittiyamE en ninaivE naRporuL AyOi
gatiyE shol paravELE karuvUril perumALE
kandar anubhUti
ADum pari, vEl, aNishEval enap
pADum paNiyE paNiyA aruLvAi
tEDum kayamAmukanai sheruvil
shADum tani yAnai sagOdaranE
2.22
tirupugazh – karuvUr perumAL
madiyAl vittakanAgi manadAl uttamanAgi
padivAki shiva jnAna para yOgattu aruLvAyE
nidhiyE nittiyamE en ninaivE naRporuL AyOi
gatiyE shol paravELE karuvUril perumALE
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No equivalence and hence.shankarank wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 06:17 ஒரு ஸ்வரம் தள்ளியதால் ஒரே கொந்தளிப்பு! ஒரு மாத்திரை தள்ளினால் ஊசி விழுந்தால் கேட்கும் அமைதி!
He shifts one svaram and there is commotion. Pin drop silence when things shift one mAtra, here and elsewhere!
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Could anyone obtain the artist's response?
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His blog
//sriramparthasarathy.blogspot.com
//sriramparthasarathy.blogspot.com
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He is seeking melody elsewhere - he should do that there!
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And there is his facebook page as well. Any friends of his can reply under the same posting about this concert. Or become a friend.
https://www.facebook.com/sriram.parthasarathy.75
https://www.facebook.com/sriram.parthasarathy.75
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Those who are questioning the change of Raga can post in the FB Page or just ask him to see rasika.org.