raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

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#1 raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by gobilalitha » 01 Apr 2010, 17:06

I am not sure whether there has already been a discussion about the raaga of K V G. isit Ratipatipriya? gobilalitha ;)
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#2 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by rshankar » 01 Apr 2010, 20:20

Well, that is what was said to be the rAga in the Jaya TV mArgazhi mahOtsavam 2009
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#3 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by Lakshman » 02 Apr 2010, 04:00

Some think it is sAvitri and others sindhubhairavi.
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#4 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by naarayanan » 15 Apr 2010, 18:08

http://ragasinfilmmusic.blogspot.com/20 ... meera.html

There is an eternal debate as to what raga is this song composed in! There is no ri1(chinna ri), so not sindhubhairavi. There is dha2 (periya 'dha'), so not natabhairavi. And recently Gowri Ramnarayan noted that 'people say it is in rathipathipriya'. But for the first line there is no trace of rathipathipriya either.

But, it is one humdinger of a tune. My choice is Natabhairavi since only once in the charanam does chatusruthi dhaivatha shows up.
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#5 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by vasanthakokilam » 15 Apr 2010, 20:27

naarayanan,

Strictly swara based raga identification/classification has severe limitations since as we all know the swaras do not sufficiently identify the raga.

Having said that, does it sound like natabhairavi to you?

I agree it is a great tune with hard to nail down raga. I have heard it being referred to as 'Misra Sindubhairavi' with the 'misra' qualification being there to account for any non-adherence to sindu bhairavi. But that is still not satisfactory to me since I do not sense a whole lot of sindhu bhairavi there.
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#6 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by cmlover » 15 Apr 2010, 20:39

The notes occurring are besides S and P
R1 taarasthaayi, and R2
G2, M1, D1 and both N2 and N3.
So it can belong to melas 8,9,20 or 21.
9 and 21 can be ruled out since their signature is not there.
The most likely is 8 whence Sindhubhairavi is a potential candidate....
The promiant M1 definitely rules out Ratipatipriya.
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#7 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by sureshvv » 16 Apr 2010, 00:07

misra jonpuri may be closer than misra sindhub
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#8 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by VK RAMAN » 16 Apr 2010, 00:49

misra jonpuri and sindhubairavi
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#9 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by vasanthakokilam » 16 Apr 2010, 01:51

But the real question is, does it sound like any of those ragas ( swara considerations aside )?
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#10 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by gobilalitha » 16 Apr 2010, 06:41

In this connection our encyclopedia on 2 legs Lakshman has quoted A RAAG sAvitri.. can some friend explain it with audio gobilalitha
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#11 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by cmlover » 16 Apr 2010, 07:46

short answer
It does not sound like any of these ragas!
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#12 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by arasi » 16 Apr 2010, 09:38

It's an elusive one!
'nILa niRattu bAlakan ": certainly jOnpuri. How about the rest of the line and the song? No! It's a mishr something for sure, weaving in and out of whatever it is.
Another film song which it resembles is: E zindagi usIki hai from anAr kali. But how much?
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#13 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by gobilalitha » 16 Apr 2010, 11:51

Whatever may be the raaga, it has become one of the biggest hits of the century, Another song to capture the minds of lakhs of rasikas is Kandan karuni puriyum vadivel, yet another song adopted from an original hindi song gobilalitha
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#14 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by arasi » 16 Apr 2010, 21:06

With kATRinilE, three things come together: the singer, the lyrics and the haunting melody...
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#15 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by rshankar » 16 Apr 2010, 21:33

Absolutely - and after all, kATRinil vanda pATTu (gItam) could have acquired numerous shades and nuances as it wafted around, making it tough to pin it down to one rAga!!
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#16 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by Sam Swaminathan » 26 Jul 2010, 04:16

Good one rshankar!
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#17 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by arasi » 26 Jul 2010, 20:24

Sam,
indap pEccu KATRinilE um Ur varai vara, ivvaLavu nATkaL AyiTRE? ;)
(took this long for the conversation on the tune to reach your land!)
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#18 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by rshankar » 26 Jul 2010, 21:04

arasi wrote:Sam,
indap pEccu KATRinilE um Ur varai vara, ivvaLavu nATkaL AyiTRE? ;)
(took this long for the conversation on the tune to reach your land!)
adanAl tAn adai 'manda mArutm' enbArO? (is that why it is called the 'slow/gentle breeze'?)
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#19 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by Lakshman » 26 Jul 2010, 23:54

We should probably look at it from the HM point of view. After all, the tune was borrowed from the Sheila Sarkar song TuTa gayI mana bInA.
I had uploaded it earlier. If someone wants it I will post it again.
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#20 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by cmlover » 27 Jul 2010, 00:27

Do Lakshman!
Let us try to analyze the original tune to get some clue!
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#21 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by Sam Swaminathan » 27 Jul 2010, 01:53

Arasiji

It is a well known fact that kiwis cannot fly and very slow on the take and I should not be an exception !!
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#22 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by arasi » 27 Jul 2010, 07:31

Ravi,
:)

Sam, (note that I don't add a 'ji' to your name ;)

kIwi nATTinilE--
kUVi vanda kuyilin gAnam
konjam kAlam cenRA pinnE
kETTiDum--AnAl, annATTinar ellAm
appeyar koNDa kaniyaip pOl
saTTuDaiyavar enRirukkalAmE?
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#23 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by venkatakailasam » 16 Sep 2010, 09:38

arasi wrote:It's an elusive one!
'nILa niRattu bAlakan ": certainly jOnpuri. How about the rest of the line and the song? No! It's a mishr something for sure, weaving in and out of whatever it is.
Another film song which it resembles is: E zindagi usIki hai from anAr kali. But how much?
I was all along been under the impression that the raga is Jonpuri.

Please listen to Mahanadhi Shobana at the link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWNfvZTnudM

The more I listen, the more I am convinced.

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#24 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by Lakshman » 01 Jan 2013, 22:52

Would someone be kind enough to provide the meaning of the song. Lyrics are (from Kalki's book):

kATrinilE varum gItam. rAgA : sindhubhairavi. Eka tALA.

P: kATrinilE varum gItam kaNgaL panitttiDap-pongum gItam kallum kaniyum gItam
C1: paTTa marangal taLirkkum gItam paNNoLi konjiDum gItam
kATTu vilangum kETTe mayangum madhura mohana gItam
nenjinile nenjinil inba kanalai ezhuppi ninaivazhikkum gItam
2: shunai vaNDuDan shOlai kuyilum manam kuvindiDavum vAna veLi tanil tArAkaNangal
tayangi ninriDavum A en solven mAyappiLLai veinkuzhal pozhi gItam
3: nilA malarnda iravinil tenral ulAviDum nadiyil nIla nirattu bAlakan oruvan kuzhal Udi ninrAn
kAlamellAm kAlamellAm avan kAdalai eNNi urugumO en uLLam
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#25 Re: raaga of Katrinile varum geetham

Post by rshankar » 02 Jan 2013, 01:35

Lji,

Here you go:

The entire song is a beautiful description of the magical properties of the music that issues forth from kRshNA's flute.

pallavi
kATrinilE varum gItam kaNgaL panitttiDap-pongum gItam kallum kaniyum gItam

The music (gItam) that wafts (varum) by on the breeze (kATRinilE); music that moistens (panittiDum) one's eyes (kaNgaL); music that is capable of melting (kaniyum) even stones (kallum)!

caraNam 1
paTTa marangal taLirkkum gItam paNNoLi konjiDum gItam
kATTu vilangum kETTe mayangum madhura mohana gItam
nenjinile nenjinil inba kanalai ezhuppi ninaivazhikkum gItam

Music that is capable of making dead (paTTa) trees (marangaL) sprout (taLirkkum); music in which the brilliance of the paN (paNNoli) carresses (konjiDum) every note!
Sweet (madhura) and enchanting (mOhana) music that jungle (kATTu) beasts (vilangum) hear (kETTE) and become intoxicated/fascinated (mayangum)!
Music that awakens (ezhuppi) embers (kanalai) of love (inba) in the heart (nenjinil/nenjinilE) and erases (azhikkum) memories (ninaivu)!

caraNam 2
shunai vaNDuDan shOlai kuyilum manam kuvindiDavum vAna veLi tanil tArAkaNangal
tayangi ninriDavum A en solven mAyappiLLai veinkuzhal pozhi gItam

Ah (A) what (yen) can I say (solvEn) about the magical (mAya) boy (piLLai) from whose bamboo flute (vEnkuzhal) gushes (pozhiyum) music (gItam) that makes the even the prickly (Sunai) bee (vaNDu) become intimate (manan kuvindiDavum) with (uDan) the cuckoo (kuyilum) from the grove (SOlai), and makes the stars (tArA gaNaNgaL) in the sky (vAna veLi tanil) hesitate (in their orbits) (tayangi ninriDavum)?

caraNam 3
nilA malarnda iravinil tenral ulAviDum nadiyil nIla nirattu bAlakan oruvan kuzhal Udi ninrAn
kAlamellAm kAlamellAm avan kAdalai eNNi urugumO en uLLam

In the river (nadiyil) where the breeze (tenral) blows gently (ulAviDum) in this night (iravinil) when the moon (nilA) is in full bloom (malarnda), a (oruvan) blue (nIla)-hued (nirattu) boy (bAlakan) stood (ninrAn), playing (Udi) his flute (kuzhal)! And, my (en) heart (uLLam) will melt (urugumO) in the thoughts (eNNi) of his (avan) love (kAdalai) for eternity (kAlamellAm)!
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