Web-cast of Jaya TV Marghazhi Mahotsavam

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 21 Dec 2010, 10:47

chalanata wrote:Kamas raga alapana had some sprinkle of anniya swara notes sounding a little bit like hamir kalyani.

Can you please point out the time slice where this is happening? Want to listen more carefully.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 21 Dec 2010, 23:21

Ponbhairavi wrote:To ask a musician to explain Tatvam Asi or advaitha concept is like asking for the recipe of badir bheni or bisi bela holi to a table waiter or expecting a bookshop salesperson to explain cardiac arrythmyas or principles of rocket propulsion. It is the fundamental mistake of the organizers of Margazhi mahothsav.It is unfortunate that the musicians are made the scapegoat with sheepish look. in public gaze.They could not do justice to their own art and they are not to blame.poor Malladi bros.!!

Excellent. I have the same idea but could not have expressed half as well. Just ask the singers to sing well. Do not make them scholars or worse still rishis. Everyone will be satisfied.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 21 Dec 2010, 23:25

cmlover wrote: Musicians (present day) are not trained in philosophy. In olden times they had to learn vedas and upanishads along with music and had gurus who were themselves great scholars.

Beg you specify three such gurus and/or shishyas of the type you mention, who are also as proficient in music as today's vidwans. May be it was long long ago- so long ago..... It is more in our imagination.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 21 Dec 2010, 23:48

nadhasudha wrote: I know Abhishek is Sri Palghat Raghu's grandson. Is by any chance Anand also Sri Palghat Raghu's grandson?

Likely since they are first cousins and both play percussion.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 21 Dec 2010, 23:51

When the rishis used to live in cute little huts and the river was flowing in the back yard and the golden deer were dancing on the porch... Surely you have seen A.P.Nagarajan movies

nadhasudha · Post by **nadhasudha** » 22 Dec 2010, 00:10

Likely since they are first cousins and both play percussion.

You are correct sureshvv. Anand Ananthakrishnan is another grandson of Sri Palghat Raghu.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 22 Dec 2010, 01:11

kssr wrote: Beg you specify three such gurus and/or shishyas of the type you mention, who are also as proficient in music as today's vidwans. May be it was long long ago- so long ago..... It is more in our imagination.

1) Poochi Srinivasa Iyengar
2) MVI
3) CVB
4) Mysore Vasudevachar

Ramasubramanian M.K · Post by **Ramasubramanian M.K** » 22 Dec 2010, 03:58

Thanks Venkatakailasam--Great service to those of us less fortunate to be present!!!

Chalanata--Agree with your comment on the need for restraint--then I say to myself when I listened to GNSir or Manakkal Rangarajan in the forties doing those fast brigas and generally keeping up the tempo I was struck by their briliance--I guess with age all of us yearn for some sedate,serene music--Abhishek --a smart man with the Lalgudi/Raghu lineage will also mature and slow down!!!( Abhishek is Lalgudi Sir's sister's grandson)--I have my own grievance against the media whenever Abhishek is mentioned--the Lalgudi lineage is seldom mentioned--almost conspiratorial!!! Granted he has inherited his Grandfather's Laya prowess,his Gnanam comes undoubtedly from the Lalgudi lineage!!
I hope sparks do not fly from all sides on my comment!! I do not wish to stir the pot--the cauldron is already boiling!! I do not want to add to it!!!

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 22 Dec 2010, 05:19

'E'-SWARA-004-Priya sisters-Jaya TV MMU 21-12-2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BT1RTrl_08

venkatakailasam

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 22 Dec 2010, 07:36

govinda damodara madhaveti - good northern Indian style recitation of Bilwamangalam, patterned after Pt. Jasraj. Priya Sisters always exemplify in their renditions. Thanks venkatakailasam.

kapali · Post by **kapali** » 22 Dec 2010, 08:36

Reg Chalanata's observation on Abhishek Raghuram's Khamas alapana, I may say that there was only a very slight tilt towards Yaman kalyani rather than Hamir kalayani but it was for too miniscule of time duration that did not diminish his excellent rendering of Khamas alapana. This talented youngster is bound to rise to further and greater heights but also needs to cultivate restraints considering that he is quite young , the appearance of MMI's calm and pleasing demanour in every concert can be a guiding example to emulate.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 22 Dec 2010, 11:30

Priya sisters with their emotion laden bhajans , slokams and stotrams brought copious tears to the devoted audience. Initially they started with just OS Arun's bhajans but now the 'bhajana pantha' seems to have percolated to the entire series. The essence of CM is its manodharma. With no ragam, neraval or swaram we can rename the series as MMU of devotional music and people interested in real CM can move on to kacheris or at least listening to some good cassettes/ CDs.

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 22 Dec 2010, 18:12

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kssr · Post by **kssr** » 22 Dec 2010, 20:39

cmlover wrote:
1) Poochi Srinivasa Iyengar
2) MVI
3) CVB
4) Mysore Vasudevachar

Thanks and of course other great composers Thyagaraja, MD and so on. They are remembered today as great composers because of their knowledge of music and thathvam-philosophy. But a normal musician cannot and need not automatically qualify to be a specialist in both these very different departments- both then and now.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 22 Dec 2010, 22:48

unlike the Trinity, for the present day musicians CM is a business enterprise!
Many of the old-time gurus (even some now e.g., BMK) never charged a fee for teaching music. Times have changed and CM is now part of the entertainment industry. Musicians should be treated on a par with Sports players or Movie Actors. One cannot expect them to be a spiritual Guru!

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 22 Dec 2010, 23:56

Listen To shri Vijay Shiva at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMXHPP-Xibk

E'-SWARA-006-Shri Vijay Siva-MMU 22-12-2010

venkatakailasam

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 23 Dec 2010, 09:54

cmlover wrote:unlike the Trinity, for the present day musicians CM is a business enterprise!
Many of the old-time gurus (even some now e.g., BMK) never charged a fee for teaching music. Times have changed and CM is now part of the entertainment industry. Musicians should be treated on a par with Sports players or Movie Actors. One cannot expect them to be a spiritual Guru!

Not sure what profession you are in or what you charge but urge you to compare it with the practice in the Trinity period and see how you fare. I am sure CM has withstood the ravages of the modern industrial era (or kali yuga) in a much more palatable form compared to most other fields of human endeavor.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 23 Dec 2010, 11:05

kapali wrote:Reg Chalanata's observation on Abhishek Raghuram's Khamas alapana, I may say that there was only a very slight tilt towards Yaman kalyani rather than Hamir kalayani but it was for too miniscule of time duration that did not diminish his excellent rendering of Khamas alapana.

You must mean at around 25:30 into the recording where there is an asymptotic touching. Just enough to make sure we were not sleeping thru' it

He kind of apologizes for this immediately with a long breathless sancharam covering the entire scale.

Call me nuts, but a tangential touch to varali might have been interesting too!

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 23 Dec 2010, 23:55

'E'-SWARA- 007-Smt. Ranjani - Smt. Gayathri-Jaya TV MMU 23-12-2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3blW1yDzwWc

venkatakailasam

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 24 Dec 2010, 17:33

Compared to the strings of bhajanais in the MMU series this year, Ranjani Gayathri's presentation, was a good carnatic music concert. Also, their performance has improved a lot over time. This was much better compared to my earlier experiences. Wish them the very best.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 24 Dec 2010, 20:36

Unnikrishnan's concert.

I heard the concert this evening. Listening to him after a long time, I could once again objectively view it. He is in my opinion forming a new "baani"- ie. a new unprecedented style. Second criterion for a new baani maker should be that he should be popular. Obviously Unni has a huuuuuuuuge following. There is sruti suddham. Soft pleasant voice. Not too sure about the technical suddham. Specialists should comment. The uniqueness comes from the way the sound comes out- just like that out of a sugarcane juice extractor. Through a small gap, squeezed and flattened out. On earlier occasions he would permit himself to open his mouth upto 10 mm. This year he successfully achieved < 6 mm. It was about Hari and Haran. It looked like there was a bend towards Haran, except for one of the final pieces (sindhubhairavi?) where the second half was changed to Hari item from Purandaradasa.
Very interesting- even pleasant for sometime. Cannot manage for too long, just similar to HM.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 24 Dec 2010, 23:31

eppa varuvaro - melodiously rendered by Ranjani Gayathri. Soothing to ears with shuddha shruti.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 25 Dec 2010, 15:36

E'-SWARA-008-P unni krishnan-Jaya TV MMU 25-12-2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9eJ2La2mYs unni krishnan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WERIywTcXag unni krishnan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBcDBv2ngN8
'E'-SWARA-009-Smt.S Soumya-Jaya TV MMU 25-12-2010

venkatakailasam

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 25 Dec 2010, 23:06

Today's Sowmya's concert is the model others can follow in MMU. This is of course as per my taste. Others may differ. She balanced the content of the concert to suit the "title" selected. Kaalam or Time. Brief description as to how she sees the song fits the title. Then a traditional set of songs from Varnam, 2 Thyagaraja kritis, a few tamil songs, brief swaram and neraval where ever necessary, gentle humour, generally smiling creating a warm friendly atmosphere with Kannan, Narayanan and the audience. On top of it all, very good music.

A bit surprised about Poorvikalyani and Pantuvarali thrown in the same basket. But her singing was so perfect that there was no confusion in our minds. Very satisfactory indeed. The questions asked during the programme seems to be more with an intention of showing off rather than trying to get a genuine doubt clarified or to know something specific about the artists or their music. Proper questions should be selected in order to make it educative with regard to music.

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 26 Dec 2010, 00:02

Did any one notice Smt. Sowmya left out the anupallavi in the madhyamAvati kIrtanA she rendered at the JayaTV MMU? I hope this was only a mistake. All said and done, fantastic concert by Smt Sowmya. Good kAlapramANam. Thanks venkatakailasam.

kssr, ARI used to sing both kAmavardhini and pUrvikalyANi (once even with SubhapantuvarALi) in the same concert without causing an confusions. He was the perfect master of these two rAgas. I have heard kAmavardhini piece and pUrvikalyANi RTP at MA a few year ago.

Musicranga · Post by **Musicranga** » 26 Dec 2010, 00:40

Dear Venkatakailasam

My sincere thanks for taking me to the bliss of december 2010 music sitting at the corner of Saudi Arabia (Dammam). It is really nice of you for providing the same. Keep up the very good work.

S.Ranganathan

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 26 Dec 2010, 05:50

Shri unni Krishnan :

Unni is not singing with his mouth open! Possibly years of playback singing and voice modulation had made him more conscious of how he sounds. . He has to be a carnatic performer?

Thank you musicranga

venkatakailasam

prathyusha · Post by **prathyusha** » 27 Dec 2010, 07:50

hai venkatakailasam ,

thank u for uploading the link of the jaya tv margazi ...

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 27 Dec 2010, 23:10

'E'-SWARA-010-Shri Sanjay Subramaniam--Jaya TV MMU 27-12-2010
One of the good concerts by Sanjay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omayFWfClHM

venkatakailasam

Sathej · Post by **Sathej** » 27 Dec 2010, 23:21

The Begada was good except for the fact that it didnt seem to develop slowly at all - aggression and Brigas from almost the very start, maybe they edited things..the Anandabhairavi Swarams with emphasis on the Dhattu, at quite a few places did not appeal to me at all.. And the accompanists - while the violin is good, the Mrudangam accompanying here seems to be quite ordinary, to me!

Sathej

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 28 Dec 2010, 17:21

Sanjay's was a brilliant concert. His forceful presentation of unknown songs, gives you the feeling of familiarity even after listening to them once. Normally his Q & A s are interesting. His reply to change in CM in 20 years was a clear departure from his opinion a few years back on the same subject. His earlier view was that, CM is for the elite and we should not try too hard by diluting the art, to attract huge crowds. (If you have an "aabhaasamaana" programme you will get only such crowds). This year he says that to reach out to larger audiences, we should break the boundaries and try new things.

He is undoubtedly a man with a very high IQ and speaks his mind. He will be a leader in the field for decades to come. We wish him the very best.

mahavishnu · Post by **mahavishnu** » 28 Dec 2010, 19:43

The song Karunai thanthennai alamma (Mazhavai Chidambara bharathi) is set to the same tune (literally) as Ramaswamy Sivan's Kadaikkan veithennai alamma. Could someone shed some light on this?

Sanjay's blog claims that the latter was copied from MCB's version. I am not sure about the timeline of these compositions. Could someone shed some light on this?

I am quite curious about this, so I am also posting this question on the concert review thread.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 29 Dec 2010, 11:02

E'-SWARA-018-Smt Aruna Sairam--Jaya TV MMU 28-12-2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UR1w9CdDOo

I felt Disappointed. Possibly expectations were high!!

venkatakailasam

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 29 Dec 2010, 13:52

I was upstairs. Did not have any intention of listening to AS. But I started hearing KB Sunderambal's powerful voice. Went down to see that it was after all AS. No offence meant to the great Sunderambal. The comparison ends with the power in throwing the voice. Otherwise, KBS's voice was melodious, briga laden and memorable. You can fill in the other side.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 29 Dec 2010, 15:40

Think you are being unduly harsh hear. Say what you may about her music(?), her voice and control is truly amazing and unique.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 29 Dec 2010, 23:49

'E'-SWARA-08- Shri. OS Arun-Jaya TV MMU 29-12-2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dOF2JLtirA

Feeling good after being at Nama sankeerthanam !

venkatakailasam

Musicranga · Post by **Musicranga** » 30 Dec 2010, 14:03

Dear VenkataKailasam

Once again thanks for uploading OS Arun concert and providing the bakthi inbam. Keep up the good work and god bless you.

S.Ranganathan, Dammam

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 31 Dec 2010, 00:27

E'-SWARA 009-Smt. Sudha Ragunathan-Jaya TV MMU 3012-2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCcqDMiz0nE

venkatakailasam

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 31 Dec 2010, 08:14

OS Arun - Yen appanE yen ayyanE - perked up the entire audience.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 31 Dec 2010, 23:29

E'-SWARA-010-'E'-SWARA--Ganesh Kumaresh-Jaya TV MMU 31-12-2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOa-8MfoPAk

venkatakailasam

Krazy4music · Post by **Krazy4music** » 01 Jan 2011, 11:39

Thank you so much.I am a huge fan of Ganesh - Kumaresh and I look forward to their Jaya TV concerts every year. There was no telecast in our house yesterday and I was cursing myself for missing this. Thank you so much for this and all the other concerts that you have posted. At least for me this is the best concert on Jaya this year.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 01 Jan 2011, 14:34

Ganesh Kumaresh was far better than in the past, as there were less innovations and more CM. After all who can beat the beauty of Saint Thyagaraja's genius. The monotonous lengthy string of raaaaaaaaaaaagamalika of similar beat/sahitya was a real bore and made the intensity of the whole programme sag. But after all these years of stage experience, who can teach them what combination of songs would interest rasikas?
The tiny tufts (kudimis) of the violinists and the ghatam vidwan was a bit of a comedy. Sorry about my impiety

Mridangam with Saibaba hairstyle, did not need one!

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 01 Jan 2011, 15:12

I wanted to tell that I just could not follow them in their concert. What is that about ragamalika of pallavi, Anu pallavi and charanam in different ragas and which was the song they have taken up for this innovative singing and honestly I could not make out the raga also
due to perhaps my ignorance in identification of ragas .
any way there were plenty of rasikas in the hall who were tossing their heads and making talam with their hands

I did not want to show my self a fool initially :$
Other than this ragamalika, the concert was enjayable especially the Navarasakannada one.
Kindly do not compare the hair style with that of SAI. I thought he was following Shri J Vaithiyanathan.

venkatakailasam

hariniraghavan · Post by **hariniraghavan** » 01 Jan 2011, 15:58

Oh! They wanted to present Thyagaraja's co mpositions in desadi talas. Since there were so many kritis composed in Desadi tala by Thyagaraja obviously they had to select a few. so they selected a few which had similar structure and made them as a ragamalika with pallavi of one song, anupallavi of another, charanam of yet another song and so on. The songs were like 'chalamelara', marugelara,mokshamu galada entaveduko, manavyala, adamodi and so on and it went on and on. the ragas were all similar and at times it was not possible to identify either the raga or the kriti. In short it became monotonous. They had started very well and if they had continued in the same pattern it would have been nice.

sr_iyer · Post by **sr_iyer** » 01 Jan 2011, 18:10

I watched the "medley" of Sri Ganesh-Kumaresh on YouTube courtesy Sri Venkatakailasam

I have indicated the segments of kritis presented if it helps

"Part 1" - Pallavi of first kriti in triplet, anupallavi of second kriti in triplet, caraNam of third kriti in triplet.

# aTu kArAdani - manOranjani (pallavi)
# dEvAdidEva - sindhurAmakriyA (anupallavi beginning dEvEs'a pitA)
# marugElarA - jayantas'rI (caraNam beginning anninIvanucu)

# cinnanADe nA - kalAnidhi (pallavi)
# sarasasAmadAna - kApinArAyaNi (anupallavi beginning paramas'Ambhava)
# vararAgalaya - cencukAmbhOji (caraNam beginning dEhOdbhavambagu)

# nenaruncara - simhavAhini (pallavi)
# mAkElarA - ravicandrikA (anupallavi beginning sAkEta)
# brOvabhArama - bahudAri (caraNam beginning kalas'AmbudhilO)

# baNTurIti - hamsanAdam (pallavi)
# sadAmatin(i)daladu - gambhIravANi (anupallavi beginning sadAs'iva)
# manavi(n)Alakincara - naLinakAnti (caraNam beginning karmakANDamatAkRshTulai)

"Part 2" - Just pallavi lines - 1 tALa Avartana

# centanesada - kuntalavarALi
# kaLalanercina - dIpakam
# vacamagOcarame manasA - kaikavas'i
# s'rIpatE - nAgasvarAvaLi
# tanamidane - bhushavali
# calamelara - mArgahindOLa
# mariyAdagAdayyA - bhairavam
# sanAtana - phalamanjari

"Part 3" - Just Half-tALa-avartana of pallavi lines sequentially

# manavi(n)Ala - naLinakAnti
# sadAmadin - gambhIravANi
# baNTurIti - hamsanAdam
# entaveDukon(du) - sarasvati manOharI
# bAgayanayya - candrajyOti
# nannukannatalli - sindhukannaDA/kEsari
# brOvabharamA - bahudAri
# mAkelara - ravincandrikA
# nenaruncara - simhavAhini
# vararAgalaya - cencukAmbhOji
# sarasasAmadAna - kApinArAyaNi
# cinnanaDe nA - kalAnidhi
# marugElara - jayantas'rI
# dEvAdidEva - sindhurAmakriyA

Concludes with aTu kArAdani - manOranjani

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 03 Jan 2011, 11:31

Venkatakailasam,
Can't thank you enough for all the music you have provided for the rasikap perumakkaL!
After all the immersion in music this season and with the inevitable withdrawal syndrome and physical collapse which follows, what better remedy than your bounty of music! I am back to normal, it seems. Thanks again.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 03 Jan 2011, 12:18

While thanking the Brahama Rishi , I am happy she is back to normal and hence after take part in the deliberations
with her usual vigour.
Can I remind about her composition rendered at a concert which she said she will try on return ?

venkatakailasam

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 03 Jan 2011, 15:41

sr_iyer Sir,

You must have had enormous amount of patience to decipher the most complicated rendering of the concert. I tried and failed!!

venkatakailasam

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 03 Jan 2011, 18:52

venkatakailasam,
Which composition is it? vaLLi nAyakanE in Bilahari?