Chathur raga(4 raga) RTP-a collection of what has been sung

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Aug 2013, 06:57

mohan wrote:Sudha Ragunathan sang a 5 raga RTP in Melbourne in 2012. It was set to Sankirna Jati Triputa tala. She sang ragam and tanam in the 5 ragas. The lyrics are:

raghunAyakA (Hamsadhwani) raghunandanA (Sahana) raghuvara (Pantuvarali) ramAbhirAma (Darbar) nI samAna evaru rAmA (Kharaharapriya) raghunAyakA

That sounds exciting. Any recording available?

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 21 Aug 2013, 07:25

rajeshnat wrote: what about pallavi neraval and swaras .

Yes pallavi had the 5 ragas for each part of the line. swaram in all 5 ragas - can't recall about neraval.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 21 Aug 2013, 09:22

IIRC, Smt. SR sang the same, or a similar RTP in NJ a couple of years ago.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 21 Aug 2013, 12:16

One thing that is intriguing is the lack of inclination on the part Artists including some seniors in rendering a Ragamalika RTP..

Is it due to lack of knowledge or they fear to traverse from one to another while rendering this..

Perhaps, in evaluating their knowledge for considering eligibility to SK, this aspect may be kept in mind..

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 21 Aug 2013, 17:08

To some, a true RTP is in one raga only - the musician gives an elaborate alapana, tanam, neraval etc in this raga and is able to explore it in depth.

With multiple ragas, there is usually minimal time to spend on each raga resulting in very fleeting raga exposition. For example, if you listen to the Ranjani-mala RTP by S. Kalyanaraman, he starts off with a short Ranjani and even shorter versions of manoranjani, sriranjani and janaranjani. Perhaps there were time constraints.

While I enjoy multi-raga pallavis for their novelty value, there is nothing like an elaborate exposition in one raga for example like GNB has treated Kalyani, Shanmughapriya or Thodi.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 21 Aug 2013, 17:32

mohan wrote: Yes pallavi had the 5 ragas for each part of the line. swaram in all 5 ragas - can't recall about neraval.

Mohan,
I am assuming sudha just sang the taanam in 5 , just touched very briefly the pallavi line as a stopper to land with that respective keyphrase to sing swaras and then that keyword of the pallavi line . I am also assuming she would have not done trikalam, with that assumption of she not singing the neraval and going to swaras, I will not enumerate her pallavi in the chatur defintion of AND of ragam+ taanam + neraval + swaras. I am assuming this kind of pallavi was also done by charumathi ramachandran (though not sure if she did it for 4 or 5 ragas). We stick with just a count of 11 (without sudha ).

I agree with you on the single raga rtp , it has its charm not just gnb for me ssi's varAli,kiravani and bhairavi also fall in that ecstasy of one lovely flavour. But every musician only sings 10 to 20% of single raga rtp, more likely he/she goes for multiraga.Nevertheless I miss single raga rtp.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Aug 2013, 21:40

Perhaps the term RTP should be reserved for a single raga elaboration only.
We should coin a new term, say RMTP to characterize Ragamalika RTP..

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 21 Aug 2013, 21:59

RTPM, may be? Ragam, Tanam, Pallavi Malikai?

Mechakalyani · Post by **Mechakalyani** » 22 Aug 2013, 02:22

Hear some of Sudha Ragunathan's 5 Ragamalika pallavi at http://sujamusic.wordpress.com/2012/03/ ... than-live/

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 22 Aug 2013, 05:54

rajeshnat wrote: I am assuming sudha just sang the taanam in 5 , just touched very briefly the pallavi line as a stopper to land with that respective keyphrase to sing swaras and then that keyword of the pallavi line . I am also assuming she would have not done trikalam, with that assumption of she not singing the neraval and going to swaras, I will not enumerate her pallavi in the chatur defintion of AND of ragam+ taanam + neraval + swaras.

Rajesh, Mechakalyani has kindly posted the link to the audio. The whole pallavi uses 5 ragas and there is trikalam, etc so you can decide if you want to include it in your count.

eesha · Post by **eesha** » 23 Aug 2013, 12:36

Hear some of Sudha Ragunathan's 5 Ragamalika pallavi at http://sujamusic.wordpress.com/2012/03/ ... than-live/

The audio links in the page not working. Is it working for anyone ??

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 23 Aug 2013, 18:22

Yes it works for me at http://sujamusic.wordpress.com/2012/03/ ... than-live/
thru Firefox and Chrome

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 23 Aug 2013, 21:45

Thanks.
Nice Tight-Rope-Walking by Sudha..

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 24 Aug 2013, 07:10

Like eesha ,the sudha link when clicked it says buffering and never plays . I tried with firefox and chrome , both not working.
Mohan,
Will try to hear first in another machine and then decide whether to be included.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 24 Aug 2013, 17:00

Why wasting time...
I got the message that it has been disabled..

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 24 Aug 2013, 18:18

Maybe there is an issue accessing from India. Here is the direct link from the source code: http://k006.kiwi6.com/hotlink/4892p9j31 ... malika.mp3

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 25 Aug 2013, 17:49

I have a brilliant version of this 4 raga pallavi by Alleppey Venkatesan
Other multi raga rtps
Susarla Sivram has sung two - bunch of gowlas and rajinis
N Ravikiran once met the request of a friend of mine in bangalore - for singing a pallavi as a tribute to saptaswaras - the concert has a speech by UKS on Ravikiran.Wonderful piece of music . I can post the sung pallavi alone so that we do not offend the artist...my version mustbea bootlegged version - has all kinds of noises / disturbances but still a beauty

He has sung a Shatrharagamila pallavi at Cleveland , if am not mistaken.

ranjanimalavi · Post by **ranjanimalavi** » 26 Aug 2013, 15:18

Manakkal Rangarajan has sung a 3 Raga RTP: Mohanam, Nayaki, Thodi
NAYAKIyai azhaithu vara MOHANArangani azhaiTHODI vadi (i may be little off with 2/3 word)

Alapana is only in Mohanam, but Thanam and swaras in all ragas.

He does trikalam in all 3 ragas, and swaras at such a speed in all three ragas.

Raman

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 20 Oct 2014, 05:51

SrI Viswanatham Bhajeham in fourteen Ragas, set to Adi Tala. The sequence of fourteen Ragas that appear in this Ragamalika are Sriragam, Arabhi, Gowri, Nata, Gowla, Mohanam, followed by viloma swaras (rendering of swaras in the reverse order of Ragas). The second half contains Sama, Lalita, Bhairavam, Saranga, Sankarabharanam, Kambhoji, Devakriya, Bhoopalam, followed again by viloma swaras, and finally ending in the commencing Raga, Sriragam. This composition is in praise of Lord Viswanatha, of the temple located in the village Kulikkarai, near Tiruvarur, Tamilnadu...

see at:

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic. ... &start=175

Ramaswami Dikshitar (1735 -1817) could aptly be called a Ragamalika Chakravarti (King of Ragamalika)....

One of his Ragamalikas is 'Manasa Verutarula', set in 48 Ragas and in Adi Tala, on Lord Venkateswara. A second one, 'Sivamohanasakti nannu' on Goddess Meenakshi of Madurai is set in 44 Ragas in Roopaka Tala. Yet another one, 'Samajagamana ninnu korinadira' is set in 20 Ragas, Adi Tala, and is dedicated to King Amarasimhan.
The crown jewel of all his work is the longest composition in Carnatic music, nay, in all music, the 'Ashtottara Shata Raga-Tala malika', commencing with the phrase 'Natakadi'. As the name signifies, this magnum opus is a Ragatalamalika ostensibly containing 108 Ragas and set in 108 Talas, one for each line. However, the original text is unfortunately not available in complete form and only 61 Ragas and 61 Talas have come down to us. The text that is presently available can be found in Subbarama Dikshitar's encyclopedic treatise, Sangeeta Sampradaya Pradarsini.

The text of this Ragatalamalika employs all the Ghana Ragas - Nata, Gowla, Varali, Sriragam and Arabhi. Also, all important Melakarta Ragas appear, namely, Todi, Mayamalavagowla, Sankarabharanam, Kalyani, Pantuvarali and Gamakakritya. Many Upanga and Bhashanga Ragas have also been employed, e.g. Sama, Mohanam, Manirangu, Bilahari, Saveri, Punnagavarali, Kurinji, Surati, Begada, Devagandhari etc. The Pratimadhyama Ragas used are Ramakriya, Kalyani, Saranga, Yamankalyani and Gamakakriya. While most of the Talas used are known and precisely defined in musical literature, no clue is available for the anga-s of the Talas with the names Lali, Lakshana, Srimatkirti, Akshara and Kala, that appear in the text. Ramaswami Dikshitar composed this monumental work and a few other pieces in praise of his patron, Venkatakrishna Mudaliar of Manali. The vaggeyakara-mudra (signature of the composer) Venkatakrishna is used in all his work.

Muthuswami Dikshitar (1776-1834 AD), son of Ramaswami Dikshitar, is part of the Trinity of composers in Carnatic music. He was a composer par excellence, who chose to sing in praise of various deities in temples that he visited during his extensive pilgrimages. About 480 of his compositions are available in print. These gems furnish a complete musical pilgrimage of the various temples, not only from South India, but as far north as Badrinath, and Kathmandu in Nepal. Most of his compositions, particularly his Ragamalikas feature the Raga-mudra, as well as Guruguha, his own mudra or signature.

Only four Ragamalikas of Muthuswami Dikshitar are currently in vogue and are also available in print. They are:

SrI Viswanatham Bhajeham in fourteen Ragas, set to Adi Tala.
Madhavo mampatu in ten Ragas, set to Roopaka Tala. on the Dashavaratam or the ten incarnations of Lord Vishnu.
Simhasanasthite in four auspicious Ragas, namely Sowrashtra, Vasanta, Surati and Madhyamavati, set to Roopaka Tala in praise of Devi Parvati.
Poornachandrabimba vadane in six Ragas - Poornachandrika, Narayani, Saraswatimanohari, Suddhavasantam, Hamsadhwani and Nagadhwani - also set in Roopaka Tala, on Goddess Kamalamba of the mammoth Tiruvarur temple. I have come across a recent book (published in Srirangam), that gives two additional lines of text, in Ragas Kedaram and Bilahari, rendering it an Ashta Ragamalika rather that a Shad Ragamalika.

Shri PP.N at http://carnatica.net/special/ragamalika.htm

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 20 Oct 2014, 09:21

Smt Charumathi Ramachandran, in her US tour in the 1990s, sang "Saramathi Surabhimanavathi Rupavathi Sakala Kalavathi Sama Veda....Saramathi" as her Pallavi line with alapanas and tanams in all the ragams mentioned with Kalpana swarams in all of the ragas.

parivadini · Post by **parivadini** » 20 Oct 2014, 09:33

In 2003 MFAC concert - I've heard Mandolin Srinivas render a Pallavi in 5 Ghana Ragas. I have also heard him render several 3 raga pallavis.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 20 Oct 2014, 10:25

72 Melaragamalika composition of Maha Vaidyanatha Sivan,
RENDERED BY THREE GREATS:
SMT MS. Subbhulakshmi
Shri Musiri Subramania Iyer , And
Smt. R Vedavalli..

Listen at:

http://myblogkumara.blogspot.in/2011/03 ... -maha.html

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 26 Oct 2014, 21:18

I have heard Aleppey Venkatesan, ARI's last disciple (?), present this famous 4 raga pallavi " SankarAbharaNanai azhaithOdi vAdi kalyANI darbhArukku" elaborately several times live in Chennai and here too.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 01 Jul 2016, 14:37

After a long time resurrecting this thread as there are two more - 4 raga pallavis where ragam , neraval swaram and taanam is taken up by main artist(no part splitting with vocal and violin)

13. Raji Gopalakrishnan has sung this pallavi in 2010. Abhishek her disciple had reviewed it
RAgam TAnam Pallavi (KalyAna Vasantam / KalyANi / VasantA / VAsanti - Khanda Triputa)
Pallavi: KalAvati DayA Nidhi NeeyE Gathi
KalyAna Vasanta Priya
RAgamAlika Swarams in: KalyAna Vasantam, KalyANi, VasantA, VAsanti, NaLinakAnti, Amritavarshini, Valaji.

14. Vishudev namboothiri has sung a 4 raga pallavi just few days back on June 2016. Thanks to crama who reviewed it.
VISHNUDEV NAMBOOTHIRI
Pallavi- Chatur raga pallavi- Naattai mayakkum Aayiramaandu nilaikkum Srutilaya bhaavathodinaintha Isaikke aadaram neeye.
Ragams- Nattai, Maund, Thodi and Kedaram.
Talam- Adi 4 kalai.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 01 Jul 2016, 15:41

I have heard Sudha sing bhairavi mala in Odakathur Mutt a decade ago.

Narasimha · Post by **Narasimha** » 01 Jul 2016, 19:35

Sangita Kalanidhi TVG has rendered Ranjani Niranjani Janaranjani Sriranjani Mamava...nice pallavi....very neatly presented....4 raga pallavi

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 01 Jul 2016, 19:50

Narasimha wrote:Sangita Kalanidhi TVG has rendered Ranjani Niranjani Janaranjani Sriranjani Mamava...nice pallavi....very neatly presented....4 raga pallavi

narasimha,
There is ranjani , sriranjani and janaranjani , what is the fourth ranjani ragam that he sang. Did he sing alapana in all 4 ragas, taanam in all 4 ragas, neraval in all 4 and swaras in all 4 ragas. When did you hear and where did you hear ???

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 03 Jul 2016, 08:49

3.IIRC, The third person who sang a 4 raga pallavi was

-------->>>>>
https://archive.org/details/08RTPChaturRAgamAlika
AH ! the sweetness of this singer
.......
https://archive.org/details/RTPGauLaRIt ... ChAyAgauLa

Maharajapuram Ramachandran

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 03 Jul 2016, 22:04

TNS Krishna sang Ariyakudi's 4 raga pallavi making a slight modification in the Pallavi Durbar in 2013- Sankarabharananai Azhaithodi vaadi Kalyani PALLAVI DARBARUKKU.

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 03 Jul 2016, 22:08

Gayathri Girish rendered a RTP in ragamalika comprising four ragams in the Ranjani family - Ranjani, Manoranjani, Janaranjani and Sreeranjani was presented with all its grandeur. The raga alapana and tanam were attempted in all the ragams and elaborate swaras presented in all the ragams besides including two more ragams in the swara segment- Mararanjani and Sivaranjani. The pallavi was set to Khanda Mattya talam. This was in the Ragamalika concert held in Swamy's Hall on 10/10/15

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 03 Jul 2016, 22:10

I remember Shertally Ranganatha Sarma rendered a Rajanimala pallavi in NGS Mini Hall Pallavi Festival in December 2014.

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 03 Jul 2016, 22:12

In the four hour concert in Mudhra in Dec 2014, Saketaraman presented a three raga pallavi Kalyani-Vasantha-Kalyanavasantham with alapana, tanam, neraval, swaras in all the three ragams.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 04 Jul 2016, 11:49

Crama
The pallavi by TNS Krishna is already accounted,check post #19. Saketaraman is three ragas not considered but he has sung another 4 ranjani raga rtp (different from SKR) which is accounted.

6. Gayathri Girish sang 4 raga pallavi which is the same as S Kalyanaraman (Check my first post) . This is the 6th in my count (SKR and GG are counted as the same one.check my first post http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic ... 20#p238088 .

GG sang the same which was reviewed by crama . The relevant portion is shown below.

RTP- Ranjanimala-
Ragams- Ranjani, Manoranjani,Janaranjani, Sreeranjani
Ragamalika swaras- Ranjani, Manoranjani,Janaranjani, Sreeranjani, Mararanjani, Sivaranjani.
Pallavi- Ranjani Niranjani Bhaktha manoranjani
Rasika Janaranjani
Nal Varamarulvay Sreeranjani
Talam-Khanda Matyam.

I am not sure if Shertalai sang 4 ragas , 4 taanams , 4 neraval and 4 swaras all by himself. Some one can confirm if he did all 4 . Keeping it open and not counting till I am sure he has done all four .

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 04 Jul 2016, 19:33

I attended that concert and Ranganatha Sarma pesented alapana, neraval,swarams, tanam in all the four Ranjinis. But other details now I don't remember nor have I recorded.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 04 Jul 2016, 21:05

CRama wrote:I attended that concert and Ranganatha Sarma pesented alapana, neraval,swarams, tanam in all the four Ranjinis. But other details now I don't remember nor have I recorded.

Did he sing the same pallavi that SKR created which GG also sang??If yes then it goes to the same count.

Narasimha · Post by **Narasimha** » 05 Jul 2016, 13:21

Further to the note:

There is ranjani , sriranjani and janaranjani , what is the fourth ranjani ragam that he sang. Did he sing alapana in all 4 ragas, taanam in all 4 ragas, neraval in all 4 and swaras in all 4 ragas. When did you hear and where did you hear ???

:

Niranjani is one more Ranjani in that, am not very sure of this ragam, vaguely remember TVG announcing that this ragam is somewhat close to Kalyani or some swarams close to Kalyani.....I had heard this is Bangalore Concert and in MA lecdem....

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 06 Jul 2016, 12:28

Gayathri Girish sang one more four raga Ranjanimala pallavi in Music Academy in 2014. The pallavi was Ranjani Sriranjani Megharanjani Mam pahi Janaranjani. It was in Khanda Triputa talam with alapana, tanam, neraval, swaras in all the four ragams.

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 07 Jul 2016, 08:54

The four raga RTP "sankarAbharaNanai azhaithOi vAdi kalyANI darbhArukku" cited by Varsha in post #53 is by Aleppey Venkatesan, the one I had referred to in post # 48, rendered originally by Ariyakkudi, followed by his disciples KVN and Aleppey Venkatesan.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 07 Jul 2016, 09:35

Sundara Rajan wrote:The four raga RTP "sankarAbharaNanai azhaithOi vAdi kalyANI darbhArukku".

A beautiful pallavi no doubt, but always makes me wonder why anyone would want a snake (SankarAbharaNan) brought to the darbAr, even if lead by kalyANi or anyone else for that matter!

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 07 Jul 2016, 10:43

why anyone would want a snake (SankarAbharaNan) brought to the darbAr

There was probably a Caucasian dorai in the darbar who wanted to see a snake-snakecharmer scene.

The moon too, could be sankarAbharanan.

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 07 Jul 2016, 11:01

"Shankaraabharananai" , is verily Nada Brahman, Shankara ParaBrahman. Pallavi in celebration of Nada Brahman in celestial darbar!

munirao2001

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 07 Jul 2016, 21:01

varsha wrote: https://archive.org/details/08RTPChaturRAgamAlika
AH ! the sweetness of this singer
.......
https://archive.org/details/RTPGauLaRIt ... ChAyAgauLa

,
Varsha
The first pallavi singer is alleppey venkatesan and is the same pallavi is the same as his guru ariyakudis pallavi . Already counted.

The second gaula is I think by RK Padmanabha(not sure). He has sung the pallavi in only 3 gowlais (gowlai, reethigowlai and kedaragowlai) and also the pallavi neraval is also in 3 ragas . The pallavi line is gowla ritigowla kEdaragowla priyagaram and in both ragam and neraval there is no 4th raga chAyagowlai. As such RK Padmanabha does not qualify in this chathur raga rtp.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 07 Jul 2016, 21:29

All words may not have the etymological meaning in usage. Here, Sankarabharanan stands for Siva himself. It may neither be snake, nor moon, nor Ganga. It is a sort of poetic licence to get the name of raga in the pallavi.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 08 Jul 2016, 03:24

Rajesh,
Way back in this thread, I did mention VVSadagopan's catur rAga pallavi (mOhanam, vasantA, malayamArutam, Anandabhairavi) and you had asked if a recording was available. A pity, it's not. When his centenary was celebrated over three days last year, Sumitra Nitin gave a concert in his honor on the last day at Raga Sudha hall. was very keen about her singing this pallavi along with VVS's other compositions and a few songs he set tune to from kamba rAmAyaNam, bhArathi and the ones of Ambujam Krishna.

I don't have it here with me. May I request Aravind Brahmakal to kindly post it if he can get it from Ssumitra? She's his daughter's guru and he might be able to get it from her

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 08 Jul 2016, 08:38

sankarAbharaNanai azhaithOi vAdi kalyANI darbhArukku has been sung by Ariyakudi, KVN, Alleppey Venkatesan, TNS (in his SK concert), SGC and TMK. Prof TNK has also played in violin Are there any more musicians who have sung this pallavi ? If sung did they sing in total the ragam , taanam ,neraval and swaras of all four ragas. If you know any one else please mention their name and recollect where you have heard?

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 12 Jul 2016, 11:19

arasi wrote:Rajesh,
Way back in this thread, I did mention VVSadagopan's catur rAga pallavi (mOhanam, vasantA, malayamArutam, Anandabhairavi) and you had asked if a recording was available. A pity, it's not. When his centenary was celebrated over three days last year, Sumitra Nitin gave a concert in his honor on the last day at Raga Sudha hall. was very keen about her singing this pallavi

Arasi
Yes I was also there in ragasudha when sumitra sang .This pallavi is counted being sung by VV Sadagopan and after roughly 50 years Sumitra Nitin sang the same pallavi.

RTP in quad four ragas in adi thalam
mohana velai idE vasanta kalamidE malayamArutham veesum Anandabhairavi arulum - VV sadagopan and sumitra nitin have sung this pallavi.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 13 Jul 2016, 08:19

Rajesh,
Of course, you were there! I wasn't sure if you heard all of the pallavi, though. Let's see if we can get hold of it...

bala747 · Post by **bala747** » 19 Jul 2016, 12:45

Who on earth is Abhishek?

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 19 Jul 2016, 13:25

bala747 wrote:Who on earth is Abhishek?

Begs the counter question, "where on earth have you been living?" LOL

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 19 Jul 2016, 18:20

All the same, good to hear from you Bala

Still in Singapore, I guess...