Request for krithis that begin with same swaram and the same aksharam

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shrinik
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Request for krithis that begin with same swaram and the same aksharam

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Request some suggestions from all here.
I am looking for some krithis that start with swaram SA and also aksharam SA, starting with ri and also the krithi must start with ri like that for all 7 swaras.
Thanks a lot in advance

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1. Sarasaksha - Pantuvarali, Swati Tirunal
2. Rangapuravihara - CORRECTED Brindavana Saranga, Muthuswami Dikshitar
3. Ganamurte- Ganamurti, Tyagaraja
4. Maa Ramanan - Hindola, Papanasam Sivan
5. Pahimaam Sri Rajarajeshwari, Janaranjani, Mahavaidyanatha Sivan
6. Dari Ni - Suddha Saveri, Tyagaraja
7. Needu Charanamule - Simhendramadhyama, Tyagaraja

Phew. It took all of 3 minutes.
Good night.
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Re: Request for krithis that begin with same swaram and the same aksharam

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rangapuravihAra is in brndAvanasArangA.

Sachi_R
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Sir, of course. Typo corrected.

shrinik
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Thank you so much sir

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Post by narayara000 »

Sachi_R wrote: 25 Sep 2017, 23:11
6. Dari Ni - Suddha Saveri, Tyagaraja
Darini starts at Mel Sa, I think Dasarathi Ni Runamu would be a better krithi for Dha.

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Narayara000 is right. Sorry for the mistake. But then, doesn't Dasharathi start from lower Dha?

How about Dachukovalena? I think it starts with Dha in the middle octave.

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Ya that would be even better

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narayara000 wrote: 26 Sep 2017, 12:09
Sachi_R wrote: 25 Sep 2017, 23:11
6. Dari Ni - Suddha Saveri, Tyagaraja
Darini starts at Mel Sa, I think Dasarathi Ni Runamu would be a better krithi for Dha.
Darini starts with the dhaivatham as an anuswaram and shadjam as the main swaram, so technically darini begins with a da.

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Melam, that was my logic too, but better choices exist, so 😀

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I think there is a plethora of such songs.
Several thodi krithis of Thyagaraja, marublaga, makelara vicharamu, pakkalanilabadi, etc.

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Re: Request for krithis that begin with same swaram and the same aksharam

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Lakshman wrote: 26 Sep 2017, 03:17 rangapuravihAra is in brndAvanasArangA.
How is there swaraksharam with 'Ra' in Rangapura??

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For Ri, Ri Ri Swoordhitham in Sahana by Ganapathi Sacchidananda Swamy is good, however this is a tuned krithi (tuned by Abhishek Raghuram I think).

Also for Sa, a Keezh Sa krithi can be Samaja Vara Gamana.

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Post by gb_rajasekar »

Dear Sir,
my father did some kirthis like this

Sada Palaya - Mohanam
Ni Padame Gati - Nalinakanti
Sama Gana Lole - Hindolam
Nee Daya Galkuno -Shanmukapriya

Rgds
Rajasekar

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Harishankar,
I thought Ranga.. begins with the dominant RiRi Sa... Of course the Ri is again inflected, not a flat note.

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Re: Request for krithis that begin with same swaram and the same aksharam

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I think he was saying because "Ra" isn't the same as "Ri"

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Post by HarishankarK »

narayara000 wrote: 29 Sep 2017, 20:30 I think he was saying because "Ra" isn't the same as "Ri"
that's correct - kindly understand meaning of swaraksharam before replying songs .

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Sriram Parasuram said that any variant (ra for ri, e,g,) also is taken as svarakshara.

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Actually I don't know any song starting with the exact first letter of
षड्ज -( note it is not Sa)
रिषभ (it is not Ra)
धैवत (it is not Da)!
I request other experts to pitch in.

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Post by shankarank »

SrI mAtA would qualify as it is a samyuktakshara (SrI) and Sanjay makes it a point to touch the ri in that gamaka!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POBgHiILlpA

Talk about technical loopholes (yuktis) :lol: Now don't nit-pick on the dhIrga on rI!

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Post by Sreeni Rajarao »

An example for this षड्ज -( note it is not Sa)

viewtopic.php?t=21149

rAga: kamAc tALa: Adi

Composer: Panchapakesha Shastri - Is he also known as Panchapakesha Iyer?

(my transliteration may not be 100% correct)

pallavi:
ShaDAnana SiKhivAhana
mRDAtmaja satatam namAmi

anupallavi:
mRDANIsuta mathita tAraka
ghaTajAdi munigIta vaibhava

caraNa:
surasAdhaka shubhadAyaka
varadEvasEnA vallInAyaka

SaravaNabhava SaktyAyudhadhara
karuNAkaTAKSha kukkuTadhwaja
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Sachi_R wrote: 01 Oct 2017, 22:20 षड्ज -( note it is not Sa)
One another rare opportunity has been given up by the genius composer - or lost later? :

https://youtu.be/vr9X2GqI_LA?t=40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6DasQ6S53E

But since pancamam is a prakriti svara - musicians can use yukti to do a sa-pa there!

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I have some more examples for what was requested in the Opener in this thread (looking for some krithis that start with swaram SA and also aksharam SA, starting with ri and also the krithi must start with ri like that for all 7 swaras)

pAhimAm raghupate in dhEnuka (swara starts with pA ma) Composer: Bhairavi Lakshminaraappa

parara bEdenu tAye in navarasa kannaDa (swara starts wth pa pa sA) Composer: Veena Rajarao

pAlisayya rAdharamaNa in kharaharapriya (swara starts with pA ma.....) Composer: Veena Rajarao

pantamElarA nAtO (varNa in mOhana kalyANi, swara starts with pa ma......) Composer: Veena Rajarao ------- I can provide an audio recording for this item if there's any interest

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HarishankarK wrote: 01 Oct 2017, 15:00that's correct - kindly understand meaning of swaraksharam before replying songs.
I think Sachi has understood it correctly and his responses are correct indeed....

From what I have understood from svaraAkshara compositions,
svara sa - considered svarAkshara if the corresponding consonant is sa, si, su etc...OR Sa, Si, Su etc...OR sha, shi, shu etc.....
svara ri - considered svarAkshara if the corresponding consonant is ra, ri, ru etc....
svara ga - considered svarAkshara if the corresponding consonant is ga, gi, gu OR ka, ki, ku, OR gha, ghi, ghu, OR kha, khi, khu, etc...
svara ma - considered svarAkshara if the corresponding consonant is ma, mi, mu etc...
And so on and so forth...
(da/dha, ta/tha etc for dha, N and n for ni)

An exact match is not required.

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Ravi,
I was getting lost a bit in looking at all the songs. Coming to think of it, Sreenivasaraghavan, one of the young bright minds on the forum did point out to some svarAksharams in my songs and educated me :oops: We miss him, even after all these years, like Vijay and a few others. Back to business...
sadA smarAmi sAkEta rAmam by Ambujam Krishna,tuned by VVSadagopan--and his own composition sadA unadu tiruvaDitanaiyE ninaippavar come to mind.

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In HM they say Re not Ri. Finally it is the sound that matters. Where is sa sounded like sha? All musicians seem to say sa only, not even like in sankara.

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Sachi_R wrote: 01 Oct 2017, 22:20 Actually I don't know any song starting with the exact first letter of
षड्ज -( note it is not Sa)
रिषभ (it is not Ra)
धैवत (it is not Da)!
I request other experts to pitch in.
Good point - no one actually thinks like that.

When we sing we use Sa Pa Sa- not Shaa Pa Shaa

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kvchellappa wrote: 02 Oct 2017, 10:36 In HM they say Re not Ri. Finally it is the sound that matters. Where is sa sounded like sha? All musicians seem to say sa only, not even like in sankara.
svAmi ! How many times should I point out that the svaroopa lakshana for "sa" has been explained by Dr Sri Harikesanallur Muthiah Bhagavathar in his sangIta kalpadruma ( and he may be quoting it from earlier texts) ! A bag of air is pierced with a needle and the sound it emits "sss.." - add "a" to it it becomes "sa" - hence considered the first sound of creation!. The last stressful consonant in the vaRNa mAla , whose palatal location is the last - if you leave out "m"-kAram which is the bindu and the open air "ha"-karam.

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"Kritis beginning in swarakshara
A.. Thyagaraja
1. Srigananatham Kanakangi
2. Ganamurthe
3. Mapala velasi Asaveri
4. Sarivedalina Asaveri
5. Sri Ramadasa Dhanyasi
6. Gathi neevani Thodi
7. Karuna judavamma (Ga) Thodi
8. Ni dayaravale Thodi
9. Sarivaralona Bhinnashadjam
10. Dasarathe Kokilapriya
11. Ni dayaradha Vasantha bhairavi
12. Grahapalamemi (Ga) Revagupti
13. Ramabhirama (Ri) Saveri
14. Sri Rama (Sa) Saveri
15. Samsarulaithe Saveri
16. Sudhamadhurya (Sa) Sindhuramakriya
17. Guma Guma (Ga) Sowrashtrm
18. Nerama Rama Rama (Ni) Sowrashtram
19. Sitamma mayamma (Sa) Vasantha
20. Panipathisayee Jhankaradhwani
21. Nijamaithe mundara Bhairavi
22. Rakshabettare (Ri) Bhairavi
23. Rama Kothandarama (Ri) Bhiravi
24. Sarvantharyami nivane Bhairavi
25. Thanayuni brova (Da) Bhairavi
26. Gavimprada Ghanta
27. Manasuloni hindolam
28. Rama nine (Ri) Huseini
29. Sarvaloka Dayanidhi (Sa) Huseini
30. Samugana nilva Kokilavarali
31. Karubaru (Ga) Mukhari
32. Sri Ramya Chitthalankara (Ri) Jaganmohini
33. Manavinu vinuma Jayanarayani
34. Sri Narada nada (Ri) Kanada
35. Sukhi evvaro (Sa) Kanada
36. Pahi mam Sri Ramachandra Kapi
37. Rama Pahi (Ri) Kapi
38. Nadachi nadachi Kharaharapriya
39. Pakalanilapadi Kharaharapriya
40. Nagumomu (Ni) Madhyamavathi
41. Rama samayamu (Ri) Madhyamavathi
42. Ramudu (Ri) Manirangu
43. Paritapamu Manohari
44. Sanatana Palamanjari
45. Srimanini (Ri) Purnashadjam
46. Badarikadira (Pa) Ritigowla
47. Namakusuma (Ni) Sri
48. Marubalka Sriranjani
49. Menu husi (ma) Sarasangi
50. Swamii sari (Sa) Devagandhari
51. Bhajana seya (Pa) Atana
52. Ra ra raghuvira (Ri) Atana
53. Brova barama (Pa) Bahudari
54. Ninnubasi etla Balahamsa
55. Mahitha pravrddha Kambodhi
56. Sriraghurama (Sa) Kambodhi
57. Sarasa sama dana Kapinarayani
58. Sarasara samaraika Kunthalavarali
59. Makelara Ravichandrika
60. Rama rama rama (Ri) Sahana
61. Santhamu leka Sama
62. Rama daivama (Ri) Surutti
63. Dayaseyavayya Yadukulakambodhi
64. Paiki mangala Arabhi
65. Gattiganu nanu Begada
66. Sundari nannidarilo (Sa) Begada
67. Kanukontini (Ga) Bilahari
68. Korivacchitinayya (Ga) Bilahari
69. Sarasiruhanayana Bilahari
70. Sri Raghukulamandu (Sa) Hamsadhwani
71. Smarane sukhamu (Sa) Janaranjani
72. Rama rama rama (Ri) Jhanjhuti
73. Buddhi radhu (Pa) Sankarabharanam
74. Gata moha Sankarabharanam
75. Manasu svadhina Sankarabharanam
76. Sambho siva Sankarabharanam
77. Sri Raghuvara (Sa) Sankarabharanam
78. Sarasa nethra Sankarabharanam
79. Sita kalyana (Sa) Sankarabharanam
80. Sundaresvaranu jusi (Sa) Sankarabharanam
81. Svararaga sudha (Sa) Sankarabharanam
82. Sattaleni dinamu Naganandini
83. Dharanu ni Varali
84. Pahi paramatma Varali
85. Pahi rama rama Varali
86. Srirama Jayarama Varali
87. Sri rama sri rama Varali
88. Sasivadana Chandrajyothi
89. Pahi rama dutha Shadvidhamargini
90. Sarijesi veduga Tivravahini
91. Parama pavana Pantuvarali
92. Sambho mahadeva Pantuvarali
93. Saramegani Pantuvarali
94. Paraloka bhayame Purvikalyani
95. Nisari sati Hemavathi
96. Banturiti Hamsanadam
97. Palimtuvo palinchi Kanthamani
98. Kamala bhamdu (Ga) Kalyani
99. Rama rama pahi Kalyani
100. Sundari ni (Sa) Kalyani
101. Dayarani dayarani Mohanam
102. Mamava raghurama Saranga
103. Sagarundu vedala Yamunakalyani
(Source: Kriti mani malai)

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Vow..Thanks to all for the great inputs!

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Audio link would be great if you can provide.Thanks
quote="Sreeni Rajarao" post_id=322201 time=1506880587 user_id=1121]
I have some more examples for what was requested in the Opener in this thread (looking for some krithis that start with swaram SA and also aksharam SA, starting with ri and also the krithi must start with ri like that for all 7 swaras)

pAhimAm raghupate in dhEnuka (swara starts with pA ma) Composer: Bhairavi Lakshminaraappa

parara bEdenu tAye in navarasa kannaDa (swara starts wth pa pa sA) Composer: Veena Rajarao

pAlisayya rAdharamaNa in kharaharapriya (swara starts with pA ma.....) Composer: Veena Rajarao

pantamElarA nAtO (varNa in mOhana kalyANi, swara starts with pa ma......) Composer: Veena Rajarao ------- I can provide an audio recording for this item if there's any interest
[/quote]

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shriniK, per your request above:

pantamElarA nAtO (varNa in mOhana kalyANi, swara starts with pa ma......) Composer: Veena Rajarao

https://archive.org/details/VarnaMohana ... aniSrinath

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