hnbhagavan wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 21:26
Many Rasikas think that Concert is almost over once the main Kriti is done and time for tani.
You mean to say those who have a taste for all the so called manodharmic aspects of CM, have no taste for a taniyAvartanam. That gets even more interesting. Do you think many of them come back to catch more tukkaDa after a samosa? If no then really their favorite is not tukkaDas - they are real connoiseurs of "art" music??
So whoever remains for the tani is there to catch some tukkaDas? Not real connoiseurs?
sankark wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 20:38
shankarank, for you https://www.jeyamohan.in/189
It is in Tamil folks. About UR Ananthamurthy & SL Byrappa; about the tension between western views/ideas & the indian ethos/tradition.
Well we are all influenced by many things Western, and that happened with lot of conflicts personal and societal as people aged into modernity.
The concert etiquette part , all of us would be completely unaware unless we attended a Western musical program probably in the West. Even our musicians have noted the etiquette thing when they have visited the West.
But etiquette is a ordinary respect you give to the artists! That is only still cosmetic. We need a deeper reason than that and you don't have to remain as a person ( individually) for a tani if you have some commitments. That is not the issue.
When the main item is over it sounds like a break and a point where one can leave. Lets not delve into umpteen personal reasons a person walks out at beginning of a tani or for that matter any point in the concert. And I am not saying Indians should NOT learn etiquette. That is definitely progress. That would take its own effort, when music starts ranking as a higher priority for our people.
This is about a definite pattern, that people never for moment thought about this and it became a cultural malaise. Those who have the awareness created by westernization have even more responsibility to think about this.
This is where you don't take Western ideas as some behaviors ( blind copy!) , but reflect on them too! Find the depth of those as well. For example we have been told that music has seven notes. And music is rendered to a rhythym! The very language has confirmation bias built into it. We blind copied the west, when we started talking about music. Funny even Mridangists pride themselves saying they don't play to tALam.
In all this we claim Carnatic is a bhakti tradition and listeners are moved by the content of the lyrics. We have invented a term bhava, a fleeting experience that lasts until the singer finishes his item.
But if the listeners were to delve into the lyrics they will find lot of higher concepts about sangItam itself. Oh no they were just getting entertained shall we say? And then we have a musicologist who calls Mridangam an entertainment - not substantive music.
But only , people didn't find any entertainment in it. As when it plays alone, they walk out. Well then the music before that must have been very entertaining! Well did we not just say real music that is appreciated is made of seven notes and musically complete!
To describe music in terms of those who have learnt its methods ( and that too poorly!) and come to listen to it in Music Academy itself is an incomplete one.
No I am not taking the burden to stop people from leaving for tani. That would be foolish.
If we get the correct grand narrative of our music , may be we can get more respect for all facets of the art.