srini_pichumani wrote: ↑07 Feb 2018, 03:56Palamadai Pichumani Subrahmanya Sastri --> Curator of GOML, and Professor of Sanskrit and Comparative Philology, Presidency College, Madras
All the facts add up but I sense a pinch of personal mischief as regards the emboldened part, capitalizing on others' ignorance .
srini_pichumani » 07 Feb 2018, 03:56 Palamadai Pichumani Subrahmanya Sastri --> Curator of GOML, and Professor of Sanskrit and Comparative Philology, Presidency College, Madras
Thank you Srini-.Pichumani.. The information tallies. I was under the impression that he was Professor in University of Madras. while the correct info is that he was Prof of Sanskrit in Presidency College.
-------------This thread is about Thyagaraja Swami and his devotion to Lord Rama and the diversion occurred because of bringing in Appyya Dhikshithar, which could have been initiated in a different thread .and personal reminiscences .
Any way, it gave an opportunity to get correct information about a very eminent scholar of recent times. Thank you.
RSR wrote: ↑20 Jan 2018, 15:40
this is from a collection of essays by Barathy. ( pardon me for the thamizh quote in this section. I will give a rough translation " இன்று ராமானுஜ தர்சனம் முக்கிய ஹிந்து தர்சனங்களில் ஒன்றாக விளங்குகிறது . ஆனால் ஆரம்பத்தில் அப்படியில்லை. ராமானுஜ மதத்தைக் காக்கும் பொருட்டு ராமானுஜரின் முக்கிய சிஷ்யராகிய கூரத்தாழ்வான் கண்களை பறிகொடுக்கும்படியாக நேரிட்டது. இவருடன் பெரிய நம்பி என்ற யோகிக்கும் அதே தண்டனை ஏற்பட்டது. பெரிய நம்பி அப்போது கிழவர். கங்கைகொண்ட சோழபுரத்தில், ஒரு கொல்லையிலே பெரிய நம்பி கண் போன வேதனையை பொறுக்கமாட்டாமல் பக்கத்தில்
வேண்டியவர்கள் எவரும் இல்லாமல் , கூரத்தாழ்வான் மடியில் படுத்துக்கொண்டு மஹா சந்தோஷத்துடன் உயிர் துறந்தார்.
கூரத்தாழ்வானோ ,'தரிசனத்துக்காக தரிசனத்தை இழந்தேன் .அது எனக்கு பெரிய பாக்கியம் என்று மகிழ்ச்சி கொண்டாடினார். தம்முடைய கொள்கை நிலை பெரும் என்ற நம்பிக்கை அவர்கள் மனதில் உறுதியாக இருந்தது. "
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(rough translation) Ramanuja 'dharsanam', is in the present times, one of important hindu dharsans. But, it was not so in its early phase.To protect the Ramanuja religion, Kooratthaazhvaan, one of the prime disciples of Ramanuja had to lose his eyes.The same punishment was meted to a yogi named 'Periya Nambi'. Periya Nambi was then a very old man. Periya Nambi, died on the laps of Kooratthaazhvan, without any one near and dear to him, by his side, , with great happiness , though feeling great pain of losing his eyes. As for Kooratthaazhvaan , he was happy and felt it a blessing that he lost his ' external sight' for his real dharsan ( interhnal sight). They had tremendous faith that their principles will gain victory ultimately.
Emi jEsitEnEmi SrI rAmasvAmi karuNa lEnivAru ilalO?
We can write a thousand pages on him; we can argue endlessly. But, of what avail if one fails to see the yearning; if we are stymied unable to transcend our egocentricity?
tyAgarAja's kRtis are actually his autobiography. Anyone who wants pick dirt from confessionary statements, all for the sake of few rupees, surely has not understood him.
There was an 'intellectual ' of Karnataka who boasted that he, as a boy, urinated on the roadside vignESvara mUrti and nothing happened to him. Obviously God is in the person urinating also - it is his own self abhishekam. So also we can make tyAgarAja a villain or hero - he has gone beyond such pettinesses. Whoever 'named' him 'saint'? He is beyond the sainthood or sinner. We are trying to impose on him all our prides and prejudices - maybe you can accuse me too for the same.
No one can dispute or argue with what you are trying to say as regards yearning! Because that is not something for public debate. There is nothing to debate with there!
And also such a discourse , I am not saying it should be kept private either. Only that it does belong in the sadas of seekers who come with that attitude.
And since you talked about understanding tyAgaraja, if people make statements without even noticing the simple facts ( like the ENTER key in the keyboard!) , then it is important to point that out, especially if the statements are subversive, dangerous and causes false public narratives.
And we are paying for it too, with the tax money.
So much was made out of the inability to perform neraval on "kAma mOha dAsulai" with a SrI rAmuni ending because it hurts religious sentiments, affecting artistic creativity. They have lumped rasikas into the silly spectre of book and movie bans, that hurt religious sentiments, into this and rasika behaviour also lends credence to that.
But a true vidvAn will know that, sacredness of music is not just the human created language interpretation and the subsequent "so called" religious feeling and affiliation. Rather it is much before that. Music is ab initio sacred and so are the components of sound leading to language formation.
That doesn't absolve a vidvAn from being aware of culture and if an objection is raised he/she will have to introspect and find the right way out , like an alternate expression of the same line : kAma mOha dAsulai kaTTu teliyalEni or simply teliyalEni.
As regards your statement on "is music only aesthetics?" , Lets say it is presumed so for argument sake. Then these fellows cannot be allowed trumpet around the West imposed notion that music is the 7 notes and then add oscillations to it to complete the picture.
Either even sing ignorantly ( music is sacred) and get by or if you are starting to talk, understand the full picture and then do your lecdems.
Else Shut up!
So this does not affect or in any way diminish your yearning plea!
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