Music and reason/meaning

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#1 Music and reason/meaning

Post by kvchellappa » 12 Mar 2018, 15:33

How far is our fixation with meaning meaningful?

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"Truly fertile Music, the only kind that will move us, that we shall truly appreciate, will be a Music conducive to Dream, which banishes all reason and analysis. One must not wish first to understand and then to feel. Art does not tolerate Reason.”
― Albert Camus
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#2 Re: Music and reason/meaning

Post by shankarank » 12 Mar 2018, 20:10

I wanted to put this in Thyagaraja - a product of his times - something I heard in a lecture @ Arkay from a Sanskrit Scholar.

upamA kAlidAsasya bhAravEh artha gauravam. artha is meaning. upamA is simile.

Have we ever heard of BhAravi much at all? tyAgarAja is equivalent of kAlidasa and dIkshitar that of bhAravi - said the speaker. While Sanskrit as a language is under challenge, what is being appreciated is likely something that predates Sanskrit itself - when it was not called Sanskrit apparently - the beauty and effect of it's sounds!

http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=726
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#3 Re: Music and reason/meaning

Post by shankarank » 13 Mar 2018, 08:04

Sri KAlidAsA's opening Sloka in Raghuvamsa mahAkAvya:

vAgaRthAviva sampruktau vAgaRtha(f)pratipattayE
jagata(f)pitarau vandE pArvati paramESvarau


He excels in upamAnam in his opening Sloka. Compares vAk and Artha to lOkamAta and paramESvara. Before meaning arrives vAk by itself is sacred. That sense is the first thing to know and rest should follow in it's own course. Artha - for which we need grammar, the tradition does not leave that alone as well. nava vyAkaraNa svabhAva - says Sriman NarayaNa tIRtha in his "Siva Siva Bhava Bhava". He is the analyst. Grammar is sacred.

https://rudrakshayoga.wordpress.com/201 ... gs-part-1/
https://rudrakshayoga.wordpress.com/201 ... gs-part-2/
https://rudrakshayoga.wordpress.com/201 ... gs-part-3/

They are seeking humbly some feedback also , if they are wrong!
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