Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 15 Mar 2018, 18:43

They are Malladi Bros, not just Malladi--and they are two individuals, aren't they not?

Sachi_R · Post by **Sachi_R** » 15 Mar 2018, 22:57

Brahma offers an evolved soul, destined for just one more birth, a choice of what the being wants to be.
"Brahma, sir, I want to be born in Mylapore."
"OK, as what? Ambika appalam seller, temple priest, mosquito, or a musician!?"
"MUSICIAN!"
"OK. But tell me what's so good about it."
"Brahma, you don't KNOW? That's the best way to get a Sangita Kalanidhi, man!"
"But do you know the moment you're close to that award stuff, you will have to suffer the trolls in rasikas.org for about 15 months before and about 3 months after?"
"But Brahma, don't you know I will have an army of supporters inflitrating all such sites?"
"Suit yourself. That SK is not such a big deal to suffer all that trolling."

"So what else do you suggest, Brahma?"

"Become a fake businessman, borrow 25000 crores from a bank, and scoot."
"Then what?"
"You can conduct festivals in various names and all those Mylapore folks will come and sing in your place".
"OK. Done deal, then!"

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 16 Mar 2018, 00:47

"Become a fake businessman, borrow 25000 crores from a bank, and scoot."

If you put Money in bank - Nirav takes it!
If you put Money in Cricket - Lalit takes it!
If you keep Money @ home - you know who takes it!

So goes the whatsapp troll!!

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 16 Mar 2018, 07:44

I now understand why someone's name is Kalanidhi!

HarishankarK · Post by **HarishankarK** » 17 Mar 2018, 02:39

Sachi_R wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 22:57 Brahma offers an evolved soul, destined for just one more birth, a choice of what the being wants to be.
"Brahma, sir, I want to be born in Mylapore."
"OK, as what? Ambika appalam seller, temple priest, mosquito, or a musician!?"
"MUSICIAN!"
"OK. But tell me what's so good about it."
"Brahma, you don't KNOW? That's the best way to get a Sangita Kalanidhi, man!"
"But do you know the moment you're close to that award stuff, you will have to suffer the trolls in rasikas.org for about 15 months before and about 3 months after?"
"But Brahma, don't you know I will have an army of supporters inflitrating all such sites?"
"Suit yourself. That SK is not such a big deal to suffer all that trolling."

"So what else do you suggest, Brahma?"

"Become a fake businessman, borrow 25000 crores from a bank, and scoot."
"Then what?"
"You can conduct festivals in various names and all those Mylapore folks will come and sing in your place".
"OK. Done deal, then!"

Very nice one

HarishankarK · Post by **HarishankarK** » 17 Mar 2018, 02:42

Sachi_R wrote: ↑15 Mar 2018, 22:57 "Become a fake businessman, borrow 25000 crores from a bank, and scoot."
"Then what?"
"You can conduct festivals in various names and all those Mylapore folks will come and sing in your place".
"OK. Done deal, then!"

Not sure if this is true. But sad to note that Dharma kaaryam is happening from Adharmic funds/sponsors.
Carnatic music being used for money laundering - Kaliyuga - what else can explain this ??

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 17 Mar 2018, 09:29

One of the leading sabhas in TN was being run by people whose loans were NPA. There are many, many instances where the 'noble' have to hide their real face. One of the patrons of Thiruvaiyaru had huge unpaid loans to a PSB and its chairman was in trouble.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 17 Mar 2018, 11:30

I propose Lalgudi Siblings.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 17 Mar 2018, 20:00

I suppose those at the Academy are listening to what we propose

If they are reading this thread, they are probably having a good laugh over our earnestness

When we go on and on, they get a chance to either ignore us or to have a bit of fun over our persistent earnestness...

Over the years on this topic, we have found out that:
There are more than just one out there who deserves the award.
There is only one awardee.
There are logistics about rotation (vocal, instrumental, male, female).
Then, politics: internal and that outside the Academy: political political, societal politics, influences--inside and outside of it.
Amidst all this, musicians carry on enriching music, and really, the award counts not that much.
As for us, a child doesn't get excited or obsessed over his dIpAvali share of fireworks every day of the year

In the same manner, there's a limit to the time in which we can indulge in this SK proposing and guessing game

That's why I said earlier that it's too early--like Christmas in spring

Another strange thing. We pay way too much importance to the SK award (as if other awards don't count at all), and yet carry on knocking the MA. Time for some introspection?

Sachi_R · Post by **Sachi_R** » 17 Mar 2018, 21:42

Arasi,
Some great psychoanalyst said once that the first symptom of madness is taking oneself too seriously.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 18 Mar 2018, 11:52

As there are innuendos on some public personalities, this thread may kindly be moved to the lounge. Good to remember that all posts except under the lounge are seen by google . It adds to the merit of forum, if we say complimentary things about persons but derogatory remarks and gossipy items , justified or not, are better suited to the lounge.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 18 Mar 2018, 11:58

On such a yardstick, all headings must go to the lounge.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 18 Mar 2018, 12:09

kvchellappa » 18 Mar 2018, 11:58
On such a yardstick, all headings must go to the lounge.

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Hardly! Just see all the thread headings in the current page in general discussion.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 18 Mar 2018, 14:31

RSR wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 11:52Good to remember that all posts except under the lounge are seen by google.

Something skris might like to change.... Or not.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 18 Mar 2018, 16:07

"Just see all the thread headings in the current page in general discussion."

By only the thread heading, the current one is rightly here as SK has everything to do with music, at least in theory.

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 18 Mar 2018, 17:13

This year I suppose the awardee has got to be a senior vocalist , since the last two years had seen instrumentalists being awarded .
So , who are the senior vocalists waiting for this highest honour today ?
1. Smt. Suguna Varadachari
2. Sri. OS Thyagarajan
It would be one of them .
My personal opinion is that Smt. Suguna Purushothaman must have been awarded SK earlier , in the post 2010 years .

vijay.siddharth · Post by **vijay.siddharth** » 18 Mar 2018, 19:32

RSR wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 11:52 As there are innuendos on some public personalities, this thread may kindly be moved to the lounge. Good to remember that all posts except under the lounge are seen by google . It adds to the merit of forum, if we say complimentary things about persons but derogatory remarks and gossipy items , justified or not, are better suited to the lounge.

Sir,

There have been no names mentioned in KVChellappa's post. Please help me understand - how does an anonymous blanket statement, which I couldn't trace through my contacts in the Music circle, are 'innuendos on public personalities' when neither innuendo nor personality is clear???

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 18 Mar 2018, 20:23

vijay.siddharth wrote: ↑18 Mar 2018, 19:32Please help me understand

Do not bother. People will say... people will say about what people say...

Do not try to understand. Just let them. Even... join in!

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 18 Mar 2018, 21:57

@42-> Sri.Vijay, -> one or two names are there. and reference to people indirectly. As Nick says, let it go unnoticed. ( I am just RSR..No 'sir' please). I need the help of specialists like you in educating me about the ragams of famous songs of yester-years ( 1947) by DKP and MS. As Nick says..'kindly join in'. in the ragas section please. Thank you

gajaa · Post by **gajaa** » 03 Jun 2018, 14:09

Isn’t it like time now for the result to be out? Going by history over the last 3 to 4 years, isn’t it typically announced around early to mid June ? The powers that be, anything that can be shared?

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 03 Jun 2018, 15:27

Seems that we are no longer a frenzy to know. That could be a good sign!

vijay.siddharth · Post by **vijay.siddharth** » 06 Jun 2018, 20:08

...or it could blow up in everyone's faces big time like it did a couple years ago when someone 'controversial' is chosen. Then, the TIger will return to make posts to bait people like ShankaranK and RSR to perambulate in the wastelands of Verbal Diarrhoea, causing people like SureshVV to cut those to size like someone cutting carrots, while Arasi restores peace (?) through poetry and Vasanthakokilam bans half the form. It is all fair game!

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 07 Jun 2018, 03:17

Even if a Vidwan/Vidushi has been conferred Sangeetha Kala Charya,will he/she be considered for Sangitha Kalanidhi?
It is unlikely. Suguna Mami has been conferred Sangita Kala Acarya if i remember.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 07 Jun 2018, 03:30

Bhagwan,
Both Sugunas have been awarded the title. So also Neela Ramgopal. SAs are not awarded SKs--at least, not until now.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 07 Jun 2018, 05:22

This time It may be OS Thyagarajan.
Vijaya Siva ruled out as he does not perform at Academy.
Last two years it has been Instrumentalists,hence it will definitely be vocal.

vijay.siddharth · Post by **vijay.siddharth** » 07 Jun 2018, 14:49

I went on the walking tour of the Music Academy this season, and the guide, Sri V. Sriram, informed us that the decision is taken on the third weekend of July, so this year, it will be either on July 14-15 OR July 21-22. So any discussion until then will be purely speculative.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 07 Jun 2018, 17:50

vijay.siddharth wrote: ↑07 Jun 2018, 14:49 I went on the walking tour of the Music Academy this season, and the guide, Sri V. Sriram, informed us that the decision is taken on the third weekend of July, so this year, it will be either on July 14-15 OR July 21-22. So any discussion until then will be purely speculative.

Year on Year it is easy to always tell for the next four years who would be the probable candidates but to say who will be this year sangeetha kalanidhi is always difficult . O gosh how many discussions i have myself done in the past , this year I will speculate within myself and partially let it out ,this year it will a toss between one likely vidwan and one likely vidushi , both are vocalists.

vijay.siddharth · Post by **vijay.siddharth** » 07 Jun 2018, 18:04

rajeshnat wrote: ↑07 Jun 2018, 17:50
vijay.siddharth wrote: ↑07 Jun 2018, 14:49 I went on the walking tour of the Music Academy this season, and the guide, Sri V. Sriram, informed us that the decision is taken on the third weekend of July, so this year, it will be either on July 14-15 OR July 21-22. So any discussion until then will be purely speculative.
Year on Year it is easy to always tell for the next four years who would be the probable candidates but to say who will be this year sangeetha kalanidhi is always difficult . O gosh how many discussions i have myself done in the past , this year I will speculate within myself and partially let it out ,this year it will a toss between one likely vidwan and one likely vidushi , both are vocalists.

You have made the Paruppu Urundai Kozhambu and you have not garnished it! Please give out your guesses!

ram1999 · Post by **ram1999** » 07 Jun 2018, 20:40

Whilst the artists who have been awarded the SK are great artists and highly reputed, the question lies whether they have been awarded at the right time of thier career (when they are at their peak) as a nudge or a motivation/ recognition etc, there does seen a lot of subjectivity, flawed selection, influence, bias etc.... And I guess it ought to be there as no selection process is perfect.

However, many deserving artists have been left out ... These artists have been listed and discussed and therefore there is no need to emphasize them.

What is however, real miss is U Srinivas. Man, this artist should have been awarded when he was in his 20s as by that age he had achieved everything that was possible collectively of at least a 100 artists of repute.

I was listening to his nasigabhushini today and half way thru my eyes were watering - sheer ecstasy - and sadness that he left this world at such a young age - and we missed awarding this great artist - a rare phenomenon !!!!!!

sridhar · Post by **sridhar** » 11 Jun 2018, 23:39

here are a couple of other misses
Veena S Balachandar
S Rajam - besides being a multi faceted artist (Sruthi called him - "Rajam a Rare Gem") he was a great soul with simple living. In an interview he said "every day I wake up, the only thing on my mind is to do one helpful thing for others" - or words to that effect).

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 13 Jun 2018, 05:04

Veena Chittibabu also was not conferred.Besides scores of people MDR,Netiyankara Vasudevan,Voleti Venkateshwarulu prominent among vocalists.
Lalgudi is another well known case.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 13 Jun 2018, 05:40

The number of excellent vidwans and vidushis far exceeds the one annual award MA gives. It's going to get even more difficult with the increasing number of young musicians who are coming up at present. Let's be happy about that, and be content with the fact that one lone award alone does not decide the merits of many of them...
And not persist like a difficult child who says: I want that toy, and only that one! We would leave that bit to the musicians

HarishankarK · Post by **HarishankarK** » 13 Jun 2018, 06:08

Sanjay's announcement Jun 21st
Ravikiran's Jun 16th

we just need to wait for a couple more weeks - and we will know

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 13 Jun 2018, 07:54

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Waning interest in Sangeetha Kalanidhi award.

Ponbhairavi · Post by **Ponbhairavi** » 13 Jun 2018, 18:15

some judgements reveal more about the judiciary than about the litigants,.may be such is the case now about the sangeetha kalanidhi.The Rasikatvam, ,ie, the quality and the number of rasikas in Cm is not the same as what it was 30 y(ears) ago. there is explosion of young talents with astounding potential and commitmentsThe academy to maintain its primacy should come out of the self imposed shackle and conduct the festival for one month the whole of december, for which it does not lack any infrastructure.

Sivaramakrishnan · Post by **Sivaramakrishnan** » 13 Jun 2018, 20:23

'Sangita Kalanidhi' is undoubtedly the Oscar of Carnatic music.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 13 Jun 2018, 20:38

ram1999 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2018, 20:40 Whilst the artists who have been awarded the SK are great artists and highly reputed, the question lies whether they have been awarded at the right time of thier career (when they are at their peak) as a nudge or a motivation/ recognition etc, there does seen a lot of subjectivity, flawed selection, influence, bias etc.... And I guess it ought to be there as no selection process is perfect.

However, many deserving artists have been left out ... These artists have been listed and discussed and therefore there is no need to emphasize them.

What is however, real miss is U Srinivas. Man, this artist should have been awarded when he was in his 20s as by that age he had achieved everything that was possible collectively of at least a 100 artists of repute.

I was listening to his nasigabhushini today and half way thru my eyes were watering - sheer ecstasy - and sadness that he left this world at such a young age - and we missed awarding this great artist - a rare phenomenon !!!!!!

Yes, Sir. Why not abolish the scheme of awarding of living artistes, and give only posthumous awards? Secondly, such posthumous award can be given each year to a group of artistes and not any individual alone.
As ram1999 has suggested, this year's award can be given to USrinivas, Mali. Some year perhaps in the near future, Smt. N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM should definitely be awarded.
Within the coming five years, all the deserving artistes, who are no more should be given the award and backlog cleared.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 13 Jun 2018, 22:06

Of what use is the POSTHUMOUS award.There is really no need to change the System.Let it continue in the same way.Yes Some will get left out.It happens in all fields.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 13 Jun 2018, 22:22

And it is hard to get dead people to take part in functions. More than just an award too, they expect real work form their SK designate each year!

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 14 Jun 2018, 05:42

True.Any system of awards has its own advantages and disadvantages.Sangeethakalanidhi is a coveted title.The benefits are multi fold for the awardee.
Posthumous awards serve no purpose.

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 14 Jun 2018, 09:24

Nick H wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 22:22And it is hard to get dead people to take part in functions.

Dead on.

Nick H wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 22:22 More than just an award too, they expect real work form their SK designate each year!

And that tradition would hit a dead end..

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 14 Jun 2018, 09:30

I am tired of suggesting this year after year ! At least TWO awards should be made every year, at least hereafter, one for a vocal artist and another for an instrumental artist, so that most deserving artists could be covered within their lifetime, based only on merit with no rotation for language, region, age, religion etc.. Suggestions of our forumites have fallen on deaf ears of Music Academy. The Academy relented to give the award to female artists starting with M.S. Subbulakshmi in 1968 (?) and later gave it to both the sister duos (Neela & Kunjumani and Bombay Sisters ) although denied to Alathur Brothers earlier. Why not change the process now and give the award to TWO artists every year ?!

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 14 Jun 2018, 11:24

hnbhagavan wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 05:42 True.Any system of awards has its own advantages and disadvantages.Sangeethakalanidhi is a coveted title.The benefits are multi fold for the awardee.
Posthumous awards serve no purpose.

My fear is that people may start dying just to earn the award

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 14 Jun 2018, 13:19

Sundara Rajan wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 09:30 I am tired of suggesting this year after year !

Yea! And how do you think we feel?

At least TWO awards should be made every year, at least hereafter, one for a vocal artist and another for an instrumental artist, so that most deserving artists could be covered within their lifetime, based only on merit with no rotation for language, region, age, religion etc

They probably feel that the import of the award will be cut in half. But no rotation for language, region, age, religion should still be possible.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 14 Jun 2018, 16:17

sureshvv wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:24My fear is that people may start dying just to earn the award

A very logical next step, especially since history shows that threatening to die (commit suicide, to be precise) was a very successful ploy!!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 14 Jun 2018, 17:37

"Die I will", was the dare--
Fait accompli, but rasikAs
Spare not--fame had arrived
With ill-fame, after all

K Nagarajan · Post by **K Nagarajan** » 15 Jun 2018, 14:05

The following is the link for an article on voice culture that appeared in the Friday Review of The Hindu online edition dated 14.06.2018.

http://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/m ... 161550.ece

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 15 Jun 2018, 15:46

rshankar wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 16:17A very logical next step, especially since history shows that threatening to die (commit suicide, to be precise) was a very successful ploy!!

And thereby hangs a tale... pun expressly intended

sangitadasan · Post by **sangitadasan** » 16 Jun 2018, 02:18

Dr. Ritha Rajan

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 16 Jun 2018, 04:28

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Dr. Ritha Rajan was given the Musicologist Award in 2012.
That is it.