Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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#51 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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I went on the walking tour of the Music Academy this season, and the guide, Sri V. Sriram, informed us that the decision is taken on the third weekend of July, so this year, it will be either on July 14-15 OR July 21-22. So any discussion until then will be purely speculative.

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#52 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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vijay.siddharth wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 14:49 I went on the walking tour of the Music Academy this season, and the guide, Sri V. Sriram, informed us that the decision is taken on the third weekend of July, so this year, it will be either on July 14-15 OR July 21-22. So any discussion until then will be purely speculative.
Year on Year it is easy to always tell for the next four years who would be the probable candidates but to say who will be this year sangeetha kalanidhi is always difficult . O gosh how many discussions i have myself done in the past , this year I will speculate within myself and partially let it out ,this year it will a toss between one likely vidwan and one likely vidushi , both are vocalists.

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#53 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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rajeshnat wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 17:50
vijay.siddharth wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 14:49 I went on the walking tour of the Music Academy this season, and the guide, Sri V. Sriram, informed us that the decision is taken on the third weekend of July, so this year, it will be either on July 14-15 OR July 21-22. So any discussion until then will be purely speculative.
Year on Year it is easy to always tell for the next four years who would be the probable candidates but to say who will be this year sangeetha kalanidhi is always difficult . O gosh how many discussions i have myself done in the past , this year I will speculate within myself and partially let it out ,this year it will a toss between one likely vidwan and one likely vidushi , both are vocalists.
You have made the Paruppu Urundai Kozhambu and you have not garnished it! Please give out your guesses!

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#54 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Whilst the artists who have been awarded the SK are great artists and highly reputed, the question lies whether they have been awarded at the right time of thier career (when they are at their peak) as a nudge or a motivation/ recognition etc, there does seen a lot of subjectivity, flawed selection, influence, bias etc.... And I guess it ought to be there as no selection process is perfect.

However, many deserving artists have been left out ... These artists have been listed and discussed and therefore there is no need to emphasize them.

What is however, real miss is U Srinivas. Man, this artist should have been awarded when he was in his 20s as by that age he had achieved everything that was possible collectively of at least a 100 artists of repute.

I was listening to his nasigabhushini today and half way thru my eyes were watering - sheer ecstasy - and sadness that he left this world at such a young age - and we missed awarding this great artist - a rare phenomenon !!!!!!

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#55 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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here are a couple of other misses
Veena S Balachandar
S Rajam - besides being a multi faceted artist (Sruthi called him - "Rajam a Rare Gem") he was a great soul with simple living. In an interview he said "every day I wake up, the only thing on my mind is to do one helpful thing for others" - or words to that effect).

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#56 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Veena Chittibabu also was not conferred.Besides scores of people MDR,Netiyankara Vasudevan,Voleti Venkateshwarulu prominent among vocalists.
Lalgudi is another well known case.

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#57 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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The number of excellent vidwans and vidushis far exceeds the one annual award MA gives. It's going to get even more difficult with the increasing number of young musicians who are coming up at present. Let's be happy about that, and be content with the fact that one lone award alone does not decide the merits of many of them...
And not persist like a difficult child who says: I want that toy, and only that one! We would leave that bit to the musicians :)

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#58 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Sanjay's announcement Jun 21st
Ravikiran's Jun 16th

we just need to wait for a couple more weeks - and we will know

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#59 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Waning interest in Sangeetha Kalanidhi award.

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#60 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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some judgements reveal more about the judiciary than about the litigants,.may be such is the case now about the sangeetha kalanidhi.The Rasikatvam, ,ie, the quality and the number of rasikas in Cm is not the same as what it was 30 y(ears) ago. there is explosion of young talents with astounding potential and commitmentsThe academy to maintain its primacy should come out of the self imposed shackle and conduct the festival for one month the whole of december, for which it does not lack any infrastructure.

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#61 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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'Sangita Kalanidhi' is undoubtedly the Oscar of Carnatic music.

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#62 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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ram1999 wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 20:40 Whilst the artists who have been awarded the SK are great artists and highly reputed, the question lies whether they have been awarded at the right time of thier career (when they are at their peak) as a nudge or a motivation/ recognition etc, there does seen a lot of subjectivity, flawed selection, influence, bias etc.... And I guess it ought to be there as no selection process is perfect.

However, many deserving artists have been left out ... These artists have been listed and discussed and therefore there is no need to emphasize them.

What is however, real miss is U Srinivas. Man, this artist should have been awarded when he was in his 20s as by that age he had achieved everything that was possible collectively of at least a 100 artists of repute.

I was listening to his nasigabhushini today and half way thru my eyes were watering - sheer ecstasy - and sadness that he left this world at such a young age - and we missed awarding this great artist - a rare phenomenon !!!!!!
Yes, Sir. Why not abolish the scheme of awarding of living artistes, and give only posthumous awards? Secondly, such posthumous award can be given each year to a group of artistes and not any individual alone.
As ram1999 has suggested, this year's award can be given to USrinivas, Mali. Some year perhaps in the near future, Smt. N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM should definitely be awarded.
Within the coming five years, all the deserving artistes, who are no more should be given the award and backlog cleared.

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#63 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Of what use is the POSTHUMOUS award.There is really no need to change the System.Let it continue in the same way.Yes Some will get left out.It happens in all fields.

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#64 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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And it is hard to get dead people to take part in functions. More than just an award too, they expect real work form their SK designate each year!

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#65 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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True.Any system of awards has its own advantages and disadvantages.Sangeethakalanidhi is a coveted title.The benefits are multi fold for the awardee.
Posthumous awards serve no purpose.

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#66 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Nick H wrote: 13 Jun 2018, 22:22And it is hard to get dead people to take part in functions.
Dead on.
Nick H wrote: 13 Jun 2018, 22:22 More than just an award too, they expect real work form their SK designate each year!
And that tradition would hit a dead end..

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#67 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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I am tired of suggesting this year after year ! At least TWO awards should be made every year, at least hereafter, one for a vocal artist and another for an instrumental artist, so that most deserving artists could be covered within their lifetime, based only on merit with no rotation for language, region, age, religion etc.. Suggestions of our forumites have fallen on deaf ears of Music Academy. The Academy relented to give the award to female artists starting with M.S. Subbulakshmi in 1968 (?) and later gave it to both the sister duos (Neela & Kunjumani and Bombay Sisters ) although denied to Alathur Brothers earlier. Why not change the process now and give the award to TWO artists every year ?!

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#68 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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hnbhagavan wrote: 14 Jun 2018, 05:42 True.Any system of awards has its own advantages and disadvantages.Sangeethakalanidhi is a coveted title.The benefits are multi fold for the awardee.
Posthumous awards serve no purpose.
My fear is that people may start dying just to earn the award :D

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#69 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Sundara Rajan wrote: 14 Jun 2018, 09:30 I am tired of suggesting this year after year !
Yea! And how do you think we feel? :D
At least TWO awards should be made every year, at least hereafter, one for a vocal artist and another for an instrumental artist, so that most deserving artists could be covered within their lifetime, based only on merit with no rotation for language, region, age, religion etc
They probably feel that the import of the award will be cut in half. But no rotation for language, region, age, religion should still be possible.

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#70 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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sureshvv wrote: 14 Jun 2018, 11:24My fear is that people may start dying just to earn the award :D
A very logical next step, especially since history shows that threatening to die (commit suicide, to be precise) was a very successful ploy!! :lol:

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#71 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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"Die I will", was the dare--
Fait accompli, but rasikAs
Spare not--fame had arrived
With ill-fame, after all :(

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#72 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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The following is the link for an article on voice culture that appeared in the Friday Review of The Hindu online edition dated 14.06.2018.

http://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/m ... 161550.ece

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#73 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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rshankar wrote: 14 Jun 2018, 16:17A very logical next step, especially since history shows that threatening to die (commit suicide, to be precise) was a very successful ploy!! :lol:
And thereby hangs a tale... pun expressly intended :P

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#74 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Dr. Ritha Rajan

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#75 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Dr. Ritha Rajan was given the Musicologist Award in 2012.
That is it.

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#76 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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hnbhagavan wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 03:17 Even if a Vidwan/Vidushi has been conferred Sangeetha Kala Charya,will he/she be considered for Sangitha Kalanidhi?
It is unlikely. Suguna Mami has been conferred Sangita Kala Acarya if i remember.
Acharyas are not given kalanidhi.

My gut feeling is kalanidhi for this year could be, haridwaramangalam Sri Palanivel.

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#77 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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rbharath wrote: 06 Jul 2018, 09:35 My gut feeling is kalanidhi for this year could be, haridwaramangalam Sri Palanivel.
Many years back you said my gut feel for this year would be AKC Natarajan in this forum and he got it which ever year that was . Now with your post bharath i wil move him to the top of the list , without your post i was thinking some other two . bharath is usually right, any way we we will wait. When is the expected SK announcement ?

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#78 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Third week of July.

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#79 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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rbharath wrote: 06 Jul 2018, 09:35
Acharyas are not given kalanidhi.
TKG who was awarded SKAcharya got SK during a subsequent year, IIRC.

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#80 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Sivaramakrishnan wrote: 08 Jul 2018, 08:00
rbharath wrote: 06 Jul 2018, 09:35
Acharyas are not given kalanidhi.
TKG who was awarded SKAcharya got SK during a subsequent year, IIRC.
not true srk. check this url https://musicacademymadras.in/awards/sa ... la-acharya

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#81 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Sivaramakrishnan wrote: 08 Jul 2018, 08:00
rbharath wrote: 06 Jul 2018, 09:35
Acharyas are not given kalanidhi.
TKG who was awarded SKAcharya got SK during a subsequent year, IIRC.
Sir,
Vidwans are either given Kalanidhi or Kala acharya. Once a person gets one of these awards, they are already part of the expert committee. Once an expert committee member, he/she is not considered for any other award. Sri Vinayakaram is the first person from the expert committee to be given another award from the Academy, which is the the life time achievement award. I have heard office bearers of the academy comment that edhavadhu oru award kudutha innonnu edhukku. And acharya is given for senior artists who deserve a kalanidhi, but, would not make the cut to reach there, for whatever reason.
regards
bharath

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#82 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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rajeshnat wrote: 06 Jul 2018, 19:10
rbharath wrote: 06 Jul 2018, 09:35 My gut feeling is kalanidhi for this year could be, haridwaramangalam Sri Palanivel.
Many years back you said my gut feel for this year would be AKC Natarajan in this forum and he got it which ever year that was . Now with your post bharath i wil move him to the top of the list , without your post i was thinking some other two . bharath is usually right, any way we we will wait. When is the expected SK announcement ?
one isnt so much of a clairvoyant Rajesh. pls dont say all this.

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#83 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Last couple of years- A Kanyakumaari and Ravikiran.

It will mostly be a Vocal Vidwan/Vidushi.

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#84 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Bharath,
Clairvoyant or not, it's good to hear from you :)
Would like to have more news about you, so please send me mail, if you will...

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#85 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Kadri ?

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#87 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Aruna Sairam it is!
Announced by V Sriram in Twitter!

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#88 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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#MusicAcademyMadras announces its awards for December Music Season 2018

Sangita Kalanidhi - Aruna Sairam
Sangita Kala Acharya - Thanjavur Ramadas & K Omanakutty
TTK Award - Kalyani Ganesan & SRG Rajanna
Musicologist - Dr Premeela Gurumurthy
Nrtya Kalanidhi - Shanta Dhananjayan

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#89 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Re-quoting this...that day when Sanjay got it was unforgettable. :lol:

I can see the tiger triumvirate sharpening their claws, polishing their teeth, checking those canines, preparing the bombs and bullets, cleaning that tup-tup machine gun for battle, working up the rage, searching for the snake catcher, stocking up on venom, rehearsing their roars, practicing the hunting moves they will use on the cows of their designated 'cowherdess'... will the aging maneaters get enough inspiration to get fit and peak for one more proper hunt? And will they ally with their porcine competitors against a common foe? :mrgreen:

Stay tuned for the fireworks on the Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018 thread... brought to you by rasikas.org

And congratulations to the awardees!

PS : Tigers & porcines, you're late!
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#90 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Congratulations to the awardees !

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#91 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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How many are unhappy about choice ?

Expect the unexpected...

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#92 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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My wife is pleased.

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#93 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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pattamaa wrote: 15 Jul 2018, 12:59 How many are unhappy about choice ?

Expect the unexpected...
Populism takes over classism.
That is the order of the day!

So can’t expect much 😂😂😂

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#94 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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Artists like MMI, MS , maha. Santhanam were also popular.... Not sure why so much resistance in.this case :))

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#95 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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pattamaa wrote: 15 Jul 2018, 14:13 Artists like MMI, MS , maha. Santhanam were also popular.... Not sure why so much resistance in.this case :))
Comparing her to these legends is ridiculous. Academy has lost my respect. Magudis need to be there for the inauguration

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#96 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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There is no down side to this!

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#97 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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A comparison must not be stretched. If 'being popular' is a disqualification for SK, then there have been others who were popular and got it. Populism is different. Singing a folk song or Oothukkadu song as a tukkada cannot be populist. Many SKs have done it. The criteria must be whether the singer is adhering to the classical canons in the main items offered.

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#98 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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It is official. Sent Aruna Sairam is Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018. Hearty congratulations on Sangeetha.

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#99 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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A nice set of choices I would say.

What makes me rather happy and is personally rather surprising is the choice for the other awards. While I do think it is good and appreciate the choice of Smt. Aruna Sairam for kalanidhi. It is really good to see the names for all the awards. Very nice choice I would say.

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#100 Re: Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2018

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arasi wrote: 11 Jul 2018, 07:31 Bharath,
Clairvoyant or not, it's good to hear from you :)
Would like to have more news about you, so please send me mail, if you will...
So nice to see your post.
Sure. I will send you an email soon.

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